HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[Hockeyfan200]

Colton Parayko is the man we need. I’ve been banging this drum for awhile, but he’d be the perfect partner for Hutson. He has great skating, size and leadership skills. His cap hit is ridiculously cheap for what he brings, so it would take an overpayment but I think he’s more than worth it for this club to take the next step towards being a playoff contender.

Working on the assumption that the Habs are trading Evans and Armia at the deadline, and the return is a 1st round pick, I would offer Saint Louis:

To Saint Louis:
Mike Matheson
Logan Mailloux
1st round pick acquired from Evans/Armia deal
OR
1st round pick acquired from Calgary
2nd round pick acquired from Pittsburgh
Michael Pezzetta

To Montreal:
Colton Parayko
Alexey Toropchenko

Habs give up a top defenseman, a high end right hand shot prospect, a 1st and a 2nd and a physical fourth liner for a top pair right shot defenseman and a Russian bottom six player with size and skill that can also be a mentor for Demidov.

Sign a center in the UFA market - as always I’m lobbying for Sam Bennett, or a veteran like Granlund, and you’ve got a really nicely balanced group, who shouldn’t have any excuse about making the playoffs.

Lineup looks like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Demidov - Bennett - Laine
Heineman - Dach - Anderson
Toropchenko - Beck - Newhook
Gallagher

Hutson - Parayko
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/Struble

That’s a team with high end talent, and the ability to play the game anyway you want. Lots of size and toughness throughout the lineup, and a good mix of young guys and veterans with skill.

No onen is giving a 1st for Armia, not even close

 

[DAChampion]

No onen is giving a 1st for Armia, not even close

I think @Beendair Donedat meant that Evans and Armia together will yield a 1st.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

No onen is giving a 1st for Armia, not even close

It depends what the poster meant. For Armia no. For Evans and Armia it is a very real possibility.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Is Reinbacher/Mailloux/Konyushkov for top2/4 RD that superior or far ahead to Hage/Dach/Beck/Kapanen for 2C?

There's also 2 RD spot to fill while there is only 1 2C spot.

I do want Hughes to look at 2C as well, but top4 RD has to be the priority.




Not sure how that's relevant here.

If they move on from Evans and Dvorak you need a 3rd and 4th center as well.
Also feels much more manageable to have a LD play RD than to have wingers play center.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

No onen is giving a 1st for Armia, not even close

Armia AND Evans.

If you’re going to quote me, at least post the entire offer.

 

[HuGort]

Pionk in UFA is my first choice.

 

[Benstheman]

Pionk in UFA is my first choice.

Not the profile we need but I wouldn't say no. We are already too small on D.

 

[Habs Icing]

Is Reinbacher/Mailloux/Konyushkov for top2/4 RD that superior or far ahead to Hage/Dach/Beck/Kapanen for 2C?

There's also 2 RD spot to fill while there is only 1 2C spot.

I do want Hughes to look at 2C as well, but top4 RD has to be the priority.




Not sure how that's relevant here.

You're not being accurate with your assessment. Depending on what happens with Evans and Dvorak it's not just a 2c we'll need. We'll also need a3C and/or a 4C. That's why I said management will wait for the summer to make their decisions. If RHDs in Laval show promise, they'll work on the center problems. Last summer they traded Kovacevic because they felt Reinbacher was ready to step in. They'll wait it out to see if anything has changed in that department.

As for the relevancy of Team canada. The Canucks may lose this tournament because their goaltending lags way behind the States.

 

[salbutera]

Pionk in UFA is my first choice.

Mid-westerners like playing close to home, especially those from Minny

 

[VVV]

No Barrie please

He's terrible

 

[Treb]

If they move on from Evans and Dvorak you need a 3rd and 4th center as well.
Also feels much more manageable to have a LD play RD than to have wingers play center.

I assume Hughes will sign a vet C to replace Evans if he leaves and Beck/Kapanen should be ok to replace Dvorak.

Again, I do want Hughes to look at Cs, but I think he should spend more time/assets on RD.

The dream would be getting a minute muncher RD to go with Guhle, a RD to cover for Hutson, a legit 2C and Evans/vet replacement.

I doubt we get all 4, so I think the order should be:
Either RD
Evans/vet replacement (should be relatively easy to do)
2 C
Other RD

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - XXX - Demidov/Newhook/Dach
Heineman - XXX - Demidov/Newhook/Dach
Gallagher - Beck/Kapanen - Anderson
"Pezz tough guy replacement"

Guhle - XXX
Hutson - XXX
Xhekaj - Carrier
Struble

Monty
Dobes

If we get a 2C, I expect one of Dach/Newhook to be gone.

If we get 0-1 RD, Matheson stays. If we get 2, he probably goes.

I wouldn't like it happening, but they could also run Beck and Kapanen as 3C/4C.

Dangle Mailloux, Mesar, Roy, lower end prospects and picks as needed.

No touching Reinbacher, Hage, Demidov, Fowler and Volokhin unless the deal is huge.

Trading out one of Gallagher/Andersen (without paying notable assets) would be great.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Always weird to see a bunch of people talk about a player, but in GDTs for Laval you never see them saying anything, or very rare.

Mailloux has definitely improved from last year. Can he still use work ? Absolutely. If people watched him last year and watched him this year you'd see it.

Earlier he was definitely focusing just on his defensive play and you wouldn't really notice him most games, which is what you want.

I think Laval has "released the reigns" on him and he's fallen back to being offense first rather than what makes the best play.

Habs are ass and don't need him to figure it out by next season. I'm sure he wants to and be up with the Habs then, but he's got time. Play most of the season down in the A and get more games towards the end where it's probable that the habs are close, but trending to miss based on going into next year with Demidov as the main add and everything else is just enough to fill a hole..

Habs might need a RHD with 1 year left to trade for, or sign a UFA. Going for a homerun RHD, which I guess would be Ekblad is also something, but I would be hesitate with Ekblad.

 

[le_sean]

He was actually very high in giveaways and it's only been this season where he's dramatically cut them down.

And he’s also an 80+ point a year defenceman. You can live with the odd bad giveaway with that production. Mailloux is not smart enough at the one thing he’s good at to be a QB on a top unit. Definitely not close enough to supplant Hutson. So right now we are discussing having an awful defender whose only positive contribution could come on PP2. It’s useless. It’s basically having Mike Matheson but a lot worse.

 

[Treb]

You're not being accurate with your assessment. Depending on what happens with Evans and Dvorak it's not just a 2c we'll need. We'll also need a3C and/or a 4C. That's why I said management will wait for the summer to make their decisions. If RHDs in Laval show promise, they'll work on the center problems. Last summer they traded Kovacevic because they felt Reinbacher was ready to step in. They'll wait it out to see if anything has changed in that department.

As for the relevancy of Team canada. The Canucks may lose this tournament because their goaltending lags way behind the States.

Replacing Evans and Dvorak shouldn't take much time or assets.

Neither Mailloux or Reinbacher are ready for top4 duties in my opinion. I'm fine with not getting 2 top4 RD, but they should get at least one. Even if they are convinced Reinbacher is ready, that's still only one spot.

Binnington is playing, not Montembeault. I also don't think anyone is saying Montembeault is better than Hellebuyck or Oettinger or that he's the Habs goalie of the future. He's a fine placeholder that's already here and has the right contract lenght. Not a lot of better goalie that would cost cheap asset and contract wise.

 

[Kosseca]

Who is this famous RD that everyone is pining to get?Unless it's Makar it's not going to be make any difference on this team.Why would we give up half our future prospects or draft picks at this time?We are a bottom 10 NHL team .Hughes is not going to and is not ready for this step.It's a rebuild people that has not been rebuilt yet.It's like trying to build a house.Get the foundation and the floor done and try and move in.

That is the f.... problem isn't it? For once in a long time, the holes are easy to identify: 4RD and 2C... but option: NADA! None obvious either in fit and available.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

People gotta realize , Seth Jones isnt the Seth Jones of Columbus.

 

[BozoTheClown]

That is the f.... problem isn't it? For once in a long time, the holes are easy to identify: 4RD and 2C... but option: NADA! None obvious either in fit and available.

Established top pairing RHD aren’t going to be on the trade market unless it’s from a team blowing it all up.

Seems like we have 4 options and they are the following , to acquire one through the draft, in a Pacioretty/Suzuki type deal, with an offer sheet or at the UFAs frenzy. Between those 4 options the more feasible are with the Suzuki type deal or at the draft.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

On the topic of adding RHD, is anyone very familiar with Louis Crevier in Chicago?

The guy's a 23 year old, 6 foot 8 RHD from Quebec. I know Chicago probably isn't in any rush to move him, but his +/- intrigues me from the outside looking in. He's a -1, but he has the best +/- on the team out of all skaters with 20+ games played this season.

I like him a lot. His reach is insane. He's impossible to get around. He's not a great skater, but he works to his strengths. I doubt they trade him.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

All of this talk of needing an RHD, and yet when the Habs traded Romanov for Dach there was a universal agreement here that the Habs traded from a position of strength. Not sure how we managed to be so wrong.

Romanov is a LD. We did trade from a position of strength. Guhle, Xhekaj, Struble & Harris were all in the system. Plus, we added Matheson, Hutson & Engstrom since then.

RD is the issue.

 

[vokiel]

I am suggesting play with Lane hudson

And is his current partner doing any of those things?

 

[Kosseca]

Established top pairing RHD aren’t going to be on the trade market unless it’s from a team blowing it all up.

Seems like we have 4 options and they are the following , to acquire one through the draft, in a Pacioretty/Suzuki type deal, with an offer sheet or at the UFAs frenzy. Between those 4 options the more feasible are with the Suzuki deal or at the draft.

The mechanism by which you get that player is not hard to identify. I just dont see clear and credible candidate through any of these mechanism. No good UFA, just meh option. No obvious trade candidate right now. lots of noise, but nothing more the wild speculation with Nemac/Dobson. All that to say: if you are KH you have slim picking right now for a trade. Now he should know more then us about availability, still... man there isn't much

 

[vokiel]

As much as I think Demidov may end up playing with Suzuki down the road I think like Lane Hutson a first line/top pairing position out of camp it isn't going to happen. It's possible he gets PP1 though not having to assume the quarterback's position.

Why not? Lane is a dman, it's very different to have to share 120 minutes of ice time with 5 other players from having to share ice time with 11 forwards.

I expect Demidov to be tried in several roles anyway. It's part of development right?

 

[BozoTheClown]

The mechanism by which you get that player is not hard to identify. I just dont see clear and credible candidate through any of these mechanism. No good UFA, just meh option. No obvious trade candidate right now. lots of noise, but nothing more the wild speculation with Nemac/Dobson. All that to say: if you are KH you have slim picking right now for a trade. Now he should know more then us about availability, still... man there isn't much

You are absolutely right! There isn’t much and the top ones aren’t getting traded.
Ken Hughes messed up on the Kovacevic trade.

He got Baron in the Lehkonen trade and was probably hoping he would turned into a regular defensemen but decided to move on which was to early for my liking.

I think we should target a young RHD with top 4 potential that isn’t in the NHL yet by trading Matheson this year and retain if needed.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

And he’s also an 80+ point a year defenceman. You can live with the odd bad giveaway with that production. Mailloux is not smart enough at the one thing he’s good at to be a QB on a top unit. Definitely not close enough to supplant Hutson. So right now we are discussing having an awful defender whose only positive contribution could come on PP2. It’s useless. It’s basically having Mike Matheson but a lot worse.

Bouchard is not a proven 80+ pt d. He only did it once and is on pace for 60 pts WITH McDavid. Like Mailluox I doubt he can combine defense and offense and be more than a 60 pter. Bouchard would likely be Mailloux level without McDavid.

 

[The Great Weal]

Bouchard would likely be Mailloux level without McDavid.

That's crazy talk. Bouchard has offensive instincts that Mailloux can only dream of.