HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[vokiel]

I smell a maelstrom of trades after the break.

 

[Treb]

I don’t see Casey Mittelstadt mentionned here. 2nd line center who can reach 60pts/year. Reasonable contract for 2 years after this one. We can probably get him for a combination of Evans and either some other ufa players like Armia or Savard and prospect.

Switch Dach to the wing and with the arrival of Demidov next year and Beck staying in the lineup, we get deeper and better upfront.

He's been mentionned.

Doesn't really fit the MSL team.

I don't see Armia/Savard being interesting for Colorado in a Mittelstadt trade.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

We need to go scorched earth.

Matheson
Evans
Savard
Armia
Anderson

Gone, please.

 

[Deebs]

Time to trade Suzuki for Pettersson. Trade Caufield somewhere else too. We are too small too slow.

lol

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Time to trade Suzuki for Pettersson. Trade Caufield somewhere else too. We are too small too slow.

Yeah, this isn’t the answer.

Pettersson is a bitch. Suzuki would skate circles around that guy in the playoffs, it’s not a good move.

 

[Deebs]

We need to go scorched earth.

Matheson
Evans
Savard
Armia
Anderson

Gone, please.

Evans, yes, if there isn't a good deal in place. His 5 year ask can't happen. He's a very solid 4th line C.

Savy, whatever we can get.

Armia, absolutely should be shipped out and ideally he and Evans go together.

I'm good with Matheson being shipped out. Would love a solid skating, defense first RD in return to play with Hutson until Reinbacher is ready to take on that role.

Anderson.....I don't see why we move him unless of course it makes sense. He's played very well in his new role. Yeah he's overpaid, but there's only two years left on his deal so it's not really a hinderance.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I don’t see Casey Mittelstadt mentionned here. 2nd line center who can reach 60pts/year. Reasonable contract for 2 years after this one. We can probably get him for a combination of Evans and either some other ufa players like Armia or Savard and prospect.

Switch Dach to the wing and with the arrival of Demidov next year and Beck staying in the lineup, we get deeper and better upfront.

He's not a centre on a team that can go for it.

He might work for next year for the Habs, but after that you need to shed him.

He's so f***ing soft he makes Caufield look like Olivier.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Evans, yes, if there isn't a good deal in place. His 5 year ask can't happen. He's a very solid 4th line C.

Savy, whatever we can get.

Armia, absolutely should be shipped out and ideally he and Evans go together.

I'm good with Matheson being shipped out. Would love a solid skating, defense first RD in return to play with Hutson until Reinbacher is ready to take on that role.

Anderson.....I don't see why we move him unless of course it makes sense. He's played very well in his new role. Yeah he's overpaid, but there's only two years left on his deal so it's not really a hinderance.

For Anderson, I agree. I just think some team out there would be willing to overpay for him given his improvement this season. Ultimately if he’s still around I won’t be too mad, but if you can get something of value for him you gotta do it.

 

[_vivelequebec_]

My three way trade

MTL gives : Mike Matheson, Logan Mailloux, CGY 2025 1st, MTL 2026 2nd
MTL gets : Noah Dobson

NYI gives : Noah Dobson
NYI gets : Mike Matheson, Dylan Cozens

BUF gives : Dylan Cozens
BUF gets : Logan Mailloux, CGY 2025 1st, MTL 2026 2nd

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Personal feeling is that Armia is gone one way of the other. He's either traded or he'll walk as a UFA. I'm sure a team will be willing to give him that insane contract and he may be able to join a contender team. I would never have guess that he could raised from his ashes, but he manage to carve a role for himself and he's good in that role.

Trading Dach to get another C is not a solution. I see Dach as part of the solution, not the problem. Whether he find a spot of the 2nd line or 3rd line, he can bring size, speed and physical play. Lack of depth and skill is forcing MSL to play him in a role that may not optimize his skill set.

I'm getting less optimistic with Laine long term role with this team. In fact, i'm wondering what he could return if traded this summer half-cap retain. I'm still wondering if his knee is ok. he's not in shape that is for sure and he's not the most intense guy out there, but this level of play strikes me as lower then what he usually bring. Regardless, while he's a big guy, he's rarely physical, his shot on PP1 can be replace by CC. So I see him as replaceable.

As far as a 2C, he needs to be LH. Cant go with 4 RH C. At this point Newhook is a trade chip for me. Wont return much, but he's not a needed piece.

With a traded Laine, I see this

CC - Suzuki - Demidov
Dach - LH/2C - Slaf
Heineman - Evans - Anderson
Kapanen - Beck - XXX
Gally

With Laine still there.

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
Laine - LH/2C - Demidov
Dach - Evans - Heineman
Kapanen - Beck - Anderson
Gally

I see Newhook sticking around. Dach and Laine are not part of the future core. Gally likely gets bought out with the cap rising. Anderson is effective on the 3rd/4th lines

 

[Deebs]

For Anderson, I agree. I just think some team out there would be willing to overpay for him given his improvement this season. Ultimately if he’s still around I won’t be too mad, but if you can get something of value for him you gotta do it.

Oh for sure. If some team knocks out socks off, gotta do it.

 

[Scriptor]

We need to go scorched earth.

Matheson
Evans
Savard
Armia
Anderson

Gone, please.

That's not really scorched earth at all. trading Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle would be scorched earth.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

We need to go scorched earth.

Matheson
Evans
Savard
Armia
Anderson

Gone, please.

Add Dach and Gallagher

I smell a maelstrom of trades after the break.

Yeah, Evans, Savard, Armia, Pez, Dvorak traded for 5th/6th and 7ths.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

That's not really scorched earth at all. trading Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle would be scorched earth.

Fair enough, it’s scorched earth in my mind.

Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle along with Hutson are the only untouchables to me currently on the active roster.

 

[Scriptor]

For Anderson, I agree. I just think some team out there would be willing to overpay for him given his improvement this season. Ultimately if he’s still around I won’t be too mad, but if you can get something of value for him you gotta do it.

Withholding salary might help get something of value for him.

Considering that Montreal will not be in cap trouble even if it holds all of Anderson's 5.5M for the next two years with him continuing to play in Montreal, why would 2.75M extra dead space on the Cap matter, especially if the return for Anderson is good?

We have one spot to hold back salary and others opening up starting next season. If we are going to use that spot, we should maximize the return, even if that means using it for two years with next year as well.

2 years of Anderson, or 2 years of Matheson will likely yield the best returns.

I'd pull one of those off if there is a market, whichever yields the best return, even if losing Matheson will likely have a greater negative impact in the short term, IMO.

Posters' unexplainable hate for Matheson confounds me. The veteran plays tons of extremely difficult minutes and shields some youngsters from needing to take on those minutes too early in their development. That should not be discarded offhandedly.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

My three way trade

MTL gives : Mike Matheson, Logan Mailloux, CGY 2025 1st, MTL 2026 2nd
MTL gets : Noah Dobson

NYI gives : Noah Dobson
NYI gets : Mike Matheson, Dylan Cozens

BUF gives : Dylan Cozens
BUF gets : Logan Mailloux, CGY 2025 1st, MTL 2026 2nd

Buffalo isn't kicking the can down the road. If they make a trade and it's for futures those futures are getting sent out for help now.

While Buffalo is on track to miss the playoffs again, taking an obvious step backwards isnt something anyone in that organization wants to do.

If they can sign Marner and Rantanen, then they might sell a player off for futures.

 

[Scriptor]

Fair enough, it’s scorched earth in my mind.

Suzuki, Caufield and Guhle along with Hutson are the only untouchables to me currently on the active roster.

If pruning dead wood to you is scorched earth, all rebuilding teams go the scorched earth route then.

Of those listed, only Evans and Matheson have a more critical role with the Habs, albeit only a supporting role.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Withholding salary might help get something of value for him.

Considering that Montreal will not be in cap trouble even if it holds all of Anderson's 5.5M for the next two years with him continuing to play in Montreal, why would 2.75M extra dead space on the Cap matter, especially if the return for Anderson is good?

We have one spot to hold back salary and others opening up starting next season. If we are going to use that spot, we should maximize the return, even if that means using it for two years with next year as well.

2 years of Anderson, or 2 years of Matheson will likely yield the best returns.

I'd pull one of those off if there is a market, whichever yields the best return, even if losing Matheson will likely have a greater negative impact in the short term, IMO.

Posters' unexplainable hate for Matheson confounds me. The veteran plays tons of extremely difficult minutes and shields some youngsters from needing to take on those minutes too early in their development. That should not be discarded offhandedly.

The thing with Matheson is we aren’t going to win anything with the guy anyway. He’s not good defensively and offensively he’s been replaced by a 21yr old rookie relatively easily.

If the Habs are genuinely in on Dobson, they can easily sacrifice Matheson in the package to get Dobson or to acquire another asset.

 

[vokiel]

Add Dach and Gallagher


Yeah, Evans, Savard, Armia, Pez, Dvorak traded for 5th/6th and 7ths.

A maelstrom league-wide, I don't think Habs are going to do a fire sale. I don't see how any team could want Pez, and Dvorak is arguable.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

A maelstrom league-wide, I don't think Habs are going to do a fire sale. I don't see how any team could want Pez, and Dvorak is arguable.

Pezz is a waiver-wire pick up, and Dvorak is like a 5th round pick at best.

Those guys are garbage.

 

[_vivelequebec_]

Buffalo isn't kicking the can down the road. If they make a trade and it's for futures those futures are getting sent out for help now.

While Buffalo is on track to miss the playoffs again, taking an obvious step backwards isnt something anyone in that organization wants to do.

If they can sign Marner and Rantanen, then they might sell a player off for futures.

At first it might look like a step backward, but Buffalo need to resign Peterka, McLeod and Byram this summer and they don't have a lot of space. So, how you want them to sign Marner or Rantanen? And let's bet honest, none of these 2 are going to Buffalo.

But, they have a good center line with Thompson, McLeod and Kulich/Helenius incoming. Do they really need Cozens? And Cozens has his lowest P/60 since his rookie year, he clearly needs a trade to fulfil his potential.

They'll never get Marner or Rantanen, but they could go for Tavares, Bennett or Granlund with Cozens now out, and that would be an instant improvement. You add CGY 1st and MTL 2nd, they could pick around 12th + they'll already probably pick top 5 and voila, you're a much better club over one summer.

 

[vokiel]

Pezz is a waiver-wire pick up, and Dvorak is like a 5th round pick at best.

Those guys are garbage.

Decent warm bodies for the tank, I think we're keeping them till the end of their respective deals.

 

[sampollock]

"He's available for a good amount of money, Lou won't give him away for peanuts. It's no secret that the Canucks had interest in Noah Dobson before his injury and the Montreal Canadiens have some members of the organization who like him a lot.

The Islanders' strong performance without him, especially in the defensive zone, and the fact that Romanov meshes well with Tony DeAngelo, has led to several teams (not just the Canucks/Canadiens) inquiring about his availability." - Incarcerated Bob

 

[Team_Spirit]

I hope the teams calling for MM are immediately sent a video highlight presentation along with a box of chocolate and rare wine.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

We need to go scorched earth.

Matheson
Evans
Savard
Armia
Anderson

Gone, please.

I doubt we see Matheson gone based on the responses and rational for Barron trade

On a side note what do you think the value of Evans and Armia @ 50%. For 3.5M a team would bolster their bottom 6 and PK. Guessing teammates being brought together will help transition and integration with new team.

They have to be worth a 1st + B level prospect right?