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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

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Ezpz said:
I'd trade caufield for another big piece. Regardless of media being toxic, his answer about the anthem situation isn't going to let him stay here long term. He completely lacks an understanding of what Canada means to Canadians. It's almost like suggesting and supporting renaming the rocket Richard to the ovechkin.

Dobson, Tkachuk, cozens++, anyone else out and available?
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Caufield is a stud and this insignificant episode will blow over. Not worth losing a stud on a good contract for this reason.

He’s also half-Canadian isn’t he?
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...do YOU want your anthem booed??...cuz I also think it's extraordinarily disrespectful...boo Trump, fine; boo the ANTHEM and you're booing the countless millions who DIED to preserve the Freedoms we all take for granted...as a Veteran myself, I take great pride in my Anthem, as EVERYONE should...Cole takes pride in his Anthem...good for him, pity more weren't like him...
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If my country's leader threatened to annex them I would understand the booing because I have a fully functional brain capable of rational thinking.
 
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Habs Icing said:
For all the posters dreaming about Dobson, how about Hutson for Dobson?
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I don't know about Hutson but I promise if The Habs are in on Dobson...It will cost at least one of the names that will make us go on a rampage. He won't be had for scraps and futures.

Also they just had a bit of a heater and are only 4 pts out of a wildcard spot. Is he even still available?
 
Caufield is a young man put in an awkward situation due to politics and the Habs ought to have prepared him for the obvious question. Chill out. Not trading him and I like him as much as I did before that question.

No to Dobson. We have Hutson. We need more of an Andersson type of 2 way guy. If he has the ceiling, go for Nemec and then keep Matheson for 2 more years but trade Savard now.

In the summer see about finding a 2C if Dach hasn't come through. If Duchene is available as a UFA we can outbid anybody so sign him to a 2-3 year deal. Otherwise it's the trade route.

We aren't trading Fowler. We don't have a starting goalie or even a for sure back up. His value is still limited and just a sweetener on a bigger deal. Absolutely not worth trading him.

If we get a stop gap C like Duchene, we for sure use our top picks this year for Cs or a C with top 6 upside ( trade up to go BPA if we can ). Then with Hage and Beck we have a pool of good Cs, hopefully one is a 2C.
 
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yianik said:
Caufield is a young man put in an awkward situation due to politics and the Habs ought to have prepared him for the obvious question. Chill out. Not trading him and I like him as much as I did before that question.

No to Dobson. We have Hutson. We need more of an Andersson type of 2 way guy. If he has the ceiling, go for Nemec and then keep Matheson for 2 more years but trade Savard now.

In the summer see about finding a 2C if Dach hasn't come through. If Duchene is available as a UFA we can outbid anybody so sign him to a 2-3 year deal. Otherwise it's the trade route.

We aren't trading Fowler. We don't have a starting goalie or even a for sure back up. His value is still limited and just a sweetener on a bigger deal. Absolutely not worth trading him.
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Dobson can play with Guhle and Carrier with Hutson. I'd seriously consider trading Slaf+pieces for Dobson. Many probable wingers at the top of the draft anyway.
 
Ezpz said:
If my country's leader threatened to annex them I would understand the booing because I have a fully functional brain capable of rational thinking.
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Yeah sure, but Caufield is young and rich (now). That pov is probably not in his present perview, but others in his surroundings will enlighten him.

Wanting to trade him for such a response is just silly.

vokiel said:
It won't work, you would need to sacrifice Reinbacher. That's the only serious offer I see going through.
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You don't know that. It's Lou. He likes big bodies, and on the plus side, Slaf never ever has facial hair.
 
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BergevinBurner said:
Juraj getting called out by GM in the media, Caufield calling the fans booing the US anthem disrespectful, the rebuild's in shambles :help:

I know neither story probably leads to much discourse in the locker room, but lets pretends we're in a nightmare scenario like Vancouver was with a disgruntled locker room. Slaf's pissed at management and Caufield wants out of town; would you move Caufield+ for Michkov and Slaf+ for a high end 2C/low end 1C?

Then potentially have something along the lines of Demi-Suzuki-Michkov and Laine-McTavish-Dach as our top 6 next season.
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A fair analysis of next year?

Demidov - Suzuki - Michkov will get burnt at will by opponents' best players. Michkov and Demidov are so raw, at this stage, in NHL experience...

Demidov is so bad, defensively, that Suzuki and Demidov will likely need to play more defensively to compensate. That line will want to be even more offensive to make up for the goals allowed and will likely start developing bad habits in the process.

It's not the ideal situation for then start of Demidov's career...

Laine - McTavish - Dach is just three big question marks, although I still like McTavish's potential, much prefer Dach's potential on the wing as he had with Caufield and Suzuki in the past.

When playing with Suzuki (as could be playing with McTavish), having a second center on the line allows the de facto C to play more offensively because Dach can always cover for him while back checking if he is caught too deep in the O-zone.

That just leads to more engaged offensive play, a greater will to create offense for the de facto C and better support of that pivot both in the )-zone and the D-zone.

Dach doesn't need to be the best shutdown C in the league either to elevate the offensive game of the de facto C. NHL difference between good and great is often just a question of confidence and the fraction of time gained by lack of hesitation because of it.

It's really hard to come up with a top-6 -- from those players -- where one line isn't a complete sieve, defensively.

Also, the second line would have a tendency to get burnt because there aren't any really elite skaters in the group and both McTavish and Laine tend to skate like the ice is molasses.

Michkov needs to be surrounded by two solid two-way players to insulate his poor defensive play and to let him be the play driver on that line. Despite the Russian factor, I would not play Demidov with Michkov and, despite the improved defensive play this season for McTavish (he was horrible in his first two seasons with not so good net goal differentials at even strength), I would prefer a two-way C like Horvat and a better two-way C than Dach to play with Michkov and help maximize his offensive output without being as overly exposed defensively.

Sad as it sounds, players like Laine and each would be better suited on a 3rd line with more of an offensive exploitation situation for these talented players, in a system where the top-two lines, despite their offensive talent, would not be overplayed and where the third line would have decent TOI to profit from facing lesser opposition.

A third line of Dach - Beck - Laine or Dach - Kapanen - Laine could be interesting. Kapanen still has a lot of upside and was once considered to have a ceiling higher than his brother who played in the NHL before him (or was that cousin?).

Maybe, one day, we could see a line of Bear - Horvat - Michkov, for example, or Bear - Bennett - Michkov, under your acquisition scenario, with another top-6 line of Demidov - Suzuki - Hage?

Demidov - Suzuki - Hage
Bear - Horvát - Michkov
Dach - Beck/Kapanen - Laine
 
Grate n Colorful Oz said:
Dobson can play with Guhle and Carrier with Hutson. I'd seriously consider trading Slaf+pieces for Dobson. Many probable wingers at the top of the draft anyway.
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If Dobson was a solid 2 way guy yes, but i don't know the player as others do and his defensive play is questioned by most. For me that's a real problem.
 
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yianik said:
If Dobson was a solid 2 way guy yes, but i don't know the player as others do and his defensive play is questioned by most. For me that's a real problem.
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It's not a problem if he's paired with Guhle. We need an offensive RD. We already have two two-way Ds who can play the right side (Guhle and Carrier)
 
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