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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

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Canadienna said:
I like Cozens, but I'm not looking to move Dach either.

If we can get it done with a futures heavy package I'm in.
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That's the other thing, Buffalo has been rebuilding forever, I'm sure they'd like to make a move that advances them forward now.

I'm not sure we have the pieces to do that either, but maybe Struble and Newhook does something for them, idk.
 
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Cozens is an interesting thought.

Red flags are drop in production two years in a row and large contract

Did well in a no structure system where he produced but Buffalo couldnt defend so did one prop at expense of the other?

Has the size and skating you like as well as pedigree

Some also claim more of a winger but does ok in faceoffs. Just me reading the board

Its a gamble and dont think Buffalo wants a risk in return though i do think they are trading a question mark in their own respect


Still in general, would rather acquire/sign a more proven commodity in the 26-29 range to fix 2nd line center position
 
I wouldn't say no to Cozens but I don't want him to block Hage in his development when he arrives and I feel in the end both will bring similar skills to the lineup, so not sure.
 
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SlafySZN said:
I wouldn't say no to Cozens but I don't want him to block Hage in his development when he arrives and I feel in the end both will bring similar skills to the lineup, so not sure.
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There will still a spot open on the wing on the top 6 and a spot at 3C.

SlafySZN said:
Hage's gonna be here at the end of next year and is gonna be in the lineup for his full first season in 2026-2027. It's closer than we think!
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yep, season 2026-2027.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Big is extrapolating.

This is his first season above 50% face-off percentage, so we aren't getting a face-off ace either.

He makes 7.1 million, so almost double what Dach is costing on the cap.

He's on pace for 40 points this season. Which is only 8 more points than Dach, and that's without recovering from a major injury and losing a full season prior.

His previous season was 47 points.

38 points the year before his 68 point season.

At this point that 68 point season is an outlier, not the norm.

The only certainty here is you are getting the healthier player. But you aren't getting a left shot. You aren't getting a sure fire center.

It's a complete gamble, a 7.1 million dollar gamble with term on top of that. If all Cozens is, is a 40-50 point winger.. that's going to be a big whiff.

If they want to do something around the Calgary pick and a prospect like Mesar, sure, go for it. I can live with it since Cozens has speed and size. But this is not an acquisition that I'm dying to make.
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I don't think calling him a big upgrade is inaccurate at all.

He's shown a much higher offensive ceiling (30 points higher than Dach's career best), even at his worst he's a significant improvement over Dach in the faceoff dot(45.5% is his career worst vs Dach's 40.5% career best) and he's been significantly healthier than Dach (132 more games played than Dach since the start of the 2021-22 season).

There's not many young 2C's out there that are realistically available, so if Cozens is truly on the market then I'm at least entertaining the possibility.
 
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eklund the clown said:
This is just a hunch but i think we are in on Pettersson .I watched a bit of the Canucks game and he doesn't look any better than he did when Miller was there.I think he wants out of there.I think because of his lousy play and the terrible contract he can be had for very little.If he could turn his career around he would be exactly what we need.Of course it could turn out to be a disaster also.
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Remove this season, Is it true that Petterson is very good defensively?
 
cozens 7 mill is not too bad considering the cap is going up

but I could see Van and Buff making this deal EP to buff buff send back Cozens
of course more pieces will be involved.
 
BergevinBurner said:
I don't think calling him a big upgrade is inaccurate at all.

He's shown a much higher offensive ceiling (30 points higher than Dach's career best), even at his worst he's a significant improvement over Dach in the faceoff dot(45.5% is his career worst vs Dach's 40.5% career best) and he's been significantly healthier than Dach (132 more games played than Dach since the start of the 2021-22 season).

There's not many young 2C's out there that are realistically available, so if Cozens is truly on the market then I'm at least entertaining the possibility.
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It's inaccurate because it's not big and you aren't accounting for the fact that Cozens is making 7.1 million.

If Cozens truth is actually the seasons he's playing hovering around 40ish points and not the outlier season, then you are paying a lot more for a very small difference in production.

This is still Cozens first season above 50%, so he's only just gotten to a passable level there.

We aren't even sure at this point that Cozens is a center, the same questions are there as Dach.

The only thing Cozens has for sure is the health, but the contract still exists. If Dach played 82 at his pace in his first season with us, he would have had around 54 points.. so only 14 points off Cozen's outlier season.

Adding to Dach to get Cozens could be a step back move than a step forward move. It's not exactly the thing I'd advocate to go after.

I'd gauge the market on him but at this point, he's an upgrade on Dach at almost double the price and there isn't a whole lot of evidence outside of one season that the upgrade is big.
 
WeThreeKings said:
It's inaccurate because it's not big and you aren't accounting for the fact that Cozens is making 7.1 million.

If Cozens truth is actually the seasons he's playing hovering around 40ish points and not the outlier season, then you are paying a lot more for a very small difference in production.

This is still Cozens first season above 50%, so he's only just gotten to a passable level there.

We aren't even sure at this point that Cozens is a center, the same questions are there as Dach.

The only thing Cozens has for sure is the health, but the contract still exists. If Dach played 82 at his pace in his first season with us, he would have had around 54 points.. so only 14 points off Cozen's outlier season.

Adding to Dach to get Cozens could be a step back move than a step forward move. It's not exactly the thing I'd advocate to go after.

I'd gauge the market on him but at this point, he's an upgrade on Dach at almost double the price and there isn't a whole lot of evidence outside of one season that the upgrade is big.
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I think offensively it's a wash but Dach is abysmal on the FO and Cozens is a better player defensively. But like you, i don't think Cozens value as that higher because of his salary.
 
WeThreeKings said:
It's inaccurate because it's not big and you aren't accounting for the fact that Cozens is making 7.1 million.

If Cozens truth is actually the seasons he's playing hovering around 40ish points and not the outlier season, then you are paying a lot more for a very small difference in production.

This is still Cozens first season above 50%, so he's only just gotten to a passable level there.

We aren't even sure at this point that Cozens is a center, the same questions are there as Dach.

The only thing Cozens has for sure is the health, but the contract still exists. If Dach played 82 at his pace in his first season with us, he would have had around 54 points.. so only 14 points off Cozen's outlier season.

Adding to Dach to get Cozens could be a step back move than a step forward move. It's not exactly the thing I'd advocate to go after.

I'd gauge the market on him but at this point, he's an upgrade on Dach at almost double the price and there isn't a whole lot of evidence outside of one season that the upgrade is big.
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Dach wasn’t a centre when he had his good season with us. He was a PP merchant (42% of his production vs 26% for Cozens) and was mostly good as a winger.
 
...what could we possibly offer VanCity for Petey that wouldn't just exacerbate the weaknesses we have in other areas??...not to mention they basically need the same things we do...
 
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