HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[Habs]

Am I the only one finding it funny to criticizes Hughes for holding on Barron and then praising him for the Carrier trade?

lol. But if the rumours of true of getting a better return in the summer, he should have seen Barron was as dead end like most of us saw and unloaded the dolt then

 

[Miller Time]

lol. But if the rumours of true of getting a better return in the summer, he should have seen Barron was as dead end like most of us saw and unloaded the dolt then

Which rumors are you speaking about? I don't recall hearing anything about a big return for Barron being turned down.

 

[Habs]

Which rumors are you speaking about? I don't recall hearing anything about a big return for Barron being turned down.

The jets wanted Barron for McCroarty for example , Kent said that was a deal breaker. Or did I hear that wrong? I've been wrong 2x before at last count

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Carolina traded for Rantanen because he’s a top 10 forward in the league. This is a team that keeps losing in the playoffs because they can’t score and they added a premier player for a guy that’s always disappointed at even strength.

The Avs struck gold again. They fleeced the Canes solid. Mikko/Hall are impending UFAs, with no guarantees of them signing long term. They basically sold their best player, who has blossomed, for an impending top tier UFA. Way to go.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

The Avs struck gold again. They fleeced the Canes solid. Mikko/Hall are impending UFAs, with no guarantees of them signing long term. They basically sold their best player, who has blossomed, for an impending top tier UFA. Way to go.

Necas' production is a mirage. He's not even that much younger than Rantanen. They didn't get that good of a return

 

[Treb]

The Avs struck gold again. They fleeced the Canes solid. Mikko/Hall are impending UFAs, with no guarantees of them signing long term. They basically sold their best player, who has blossomed, for an impending top tier UFA. Way to go.

Rantanen is a lot better than Necas though. They downgraded for 1 year of security.

Necas is UFA in 2026.

 

[le_sean]

The Avs struck gold again. They fleeced the Canes solid. Mikko/Hall are impending UFAs, with no guarantees of them signing long term. They basically sold their best player, who has blossomed, for an impending top tier UFA. Way to go.

lol they didn’t fleece the Canes. They traded one of the best wingers in the league for a guy that has cooled off considerably and is a UFA himself after next season.

Simple rules of trades - the team that gets the best player is more often than not the winner.

 

[rahad]

They are tanking to take Matthew Schaefer.

They need elite forward like James Hagens or Misa to play with Bedard than another D.

 

[V13]

The Avs struck gold again. They fleeced the Canes solid. Mikko/Hall are impending UFAs, with no guarantees of them signing long term. They basically sold their best player, who has blossomed, for an impending top tier UFA. Way to go.

They didn't have much of a choice. The alternative to what they did is to keep Rantanen , add some other depth guys and try to challenge for the cup one last time with the MacKinnon - Rantanen - Makar core and then hope that Rantanen become more flexible on his demands before July 1st. This is a big gamble. If you fail you lose a superstar for nothing.

They took the safer route which i think made sense. Necas is not in the same tier of player as Rantanen but with Mac as his center who knows what he could become. Aho is no slouch but Mac is just better. They also saved money and have Necas for an additional year with that.

Not sure i would use the term fleeced but they did good considering the context and situation they were in.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The jets wanted Barron for McCroarty for example , Kent said that was a deal breaker. Or did I hear that wrong? I've been wrong 2x before at last count

That is not a big return.

 

[Sterling Archer]

That is not a big return.

Likely because they see it as a rental. Doubt Dundon pays Rantanen the $14M he’s asking for and they tried to trade Necas last summer. This is there “all in” move to win a cup this year.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I think the Necas trade is going to age very well for Colorado, especially if they can get him extended before he gets too many games played along MacKinnon and Makar.

Rantanen is only 9 points over Necas despite playing with MacKinnon/Makar compared to Necas with Aho/Gostisbehere. I don't think it'd be crazy to say Necas would probably be having a more productive season than Rantanen if he was in Colorado and Rantanen was in Carolina.

I'm expecting a pretty notable fall off in production in the 2nd half for Rantanen, which would put Carolina in a terrible position since he'll likely be looking for a 13-14 million dollar contract. I can't see the Canes giving him that payday if he only plays at a PPG pace or just above (which I expect), so I think he's bound to hit the market this summer.

I like the trade from Colorado's perspective for similar reasons to why I liked the Petry/Matheson trade at the time it happened. We traded for a younger player coming off a career year with the knowledge he'd be in a better position to succeed with his new team. Matheson was bound to get more ice time and play a bigger role with Montreal than he was in Pittsburgh. Similarly, Necas is going to get the chance to play along side one of the best centers in the world and the best defenseman on the planet. I wouldn't be shocked if from the 2025/2026 season forward if Rantanen never beats Necas' point total in a season.

 

[Egresch]

Basing things off of “might” is never a good look. Every team needs a player like him. Also cap keeps going up and our financial structure would still be in better shape than most teams especially by the time the Gally and Andy contracts end

For 14M, we could try and get Pionk 8x8M and Duchene 2x6M. For me, that would be much better investment. You get huge upgrade on Savard at RHD and 2C who can give you couple years till one of Dach, Hage, Beck, Kapanen develops to the role.

 

[Treb]

The jets wanted Barron for McCroarty for example , Kent said that was a deal breaker. Or did I hear that wrong? I've been wrong 2x before at last count

With how McGroarty has done as a pro, Carrier is probably a better return.

 

[DAChampion]

It's noteworthy to me that this was the best offer available for Rantanen.

 

[Nedved]

It's noteworthy to me that this was the best offer available for Rantanen.

it's not bad, they received Necas, who is a 1st line player. They're not rebuilding and the gap between Necas and Rantanen isn't huge when you factor in the price Rantanen will cost. It's clear overpaying for a handful of guys isn't the direction colorado wanted to go. You got to choose and Necas is a downgrade but still a solid player. I think this trade makes sense if they're looking for another d man in their top 4.

 

[Miller Time]

The jets wanted Barron for McCroarty for example , Kent said that was a deal breaker. Or did I hear that wrong? I've been wrong 2x before at last count

I didn't hear that one... Would be surprised if true, unless they are sour on McGroarty's character. But even then, hard to believe they wouldn't have said yes and simply flipped him for another asset as it's pretty obvious that Barron didn't still have 15-20OA value which McG (& Yaeger whom he was traded for) seems to have had.

 

[McGees]

whoever is able to re-sign their player will win this trade, but right now it is the Canes.
#PleaseLoseHimForNothing

 

[Vachon23]

If Rantanen becomes FA, you need to call and make an offer. He would be our best player since I don’t when.

 

[yianik]

Rantanen has move the needle potential for the Canes. He could score a goal every other game for them and help them win a series or two for sure. Say he walks, they gave up an extra year of a good player. That's it. It's worth it to help take a real shot at the Cup.

 

[CHfan1]

The jets wanted Barron for McCroarty for example , Kent said that was a deal breaker. Or did I hear that wrong? I've been wrong 2x before at last count

I thought there was talk around Montreal’s 1st for McGroarty but when Hage was available at 21 those trade talks stopped.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Elliotte mogged again. That's ok he got Dubois to MTL before everyone else

 

[26Mats]

If Rantanen becomes FA, you need to call and make an offer. He would be our best player since I don’t when.

How much of his numbers are the product of playing with Mac?

 

[Vachon23]

How much of his numbers are the product of playing with Mac?

We will have a better idea with Carolina but I think we will be the same player elsewhere

 

[Habs]

I didn't hear that one... Would be surprised if true, unless they are sour on McGroarty's character. But even then, hard to believe they wouldn't have said yes and simply flipped him for another asset as it's pretty obvious that Barron didn't still have 15-20OA value which McG (& Yaeger whom he was traded for) seems to have had.

Ill
See if I can find the article