HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[HabzSauce]

I would hold off from that. Newhook will be a good center insurance piece to have around while Beck and Kapanen are maturing in the winger/center role. Newhook's 2 years left is actually ideal. We have to be very careful with how we transition from guys like Newhook, Armia, Anderson to Beck, Kapanen, Roy, Hage. It will most likely be a process that we have to monitor.

Of course we can trade him in a package if we are after a big fish but lets not jump on Newhook as our next target. He's underperforming to his potential yes but it's at $2.9M AAV. Give him a little break and time to figure it out more. He's been moved around on our roster a fair amount.

I agree that we shouldn't be icing too many rookies at once in bottom six, but not sure I agree we need to hold on to newhook. As is we have:

Heineman - Evans - armia
Gallagher - Dvorak - Anderson

Armia, Dvorak and Evans are pending UFAs....

Next year once Demidov arrives, newhook will drop down. Id like to graduate Beck at the very least:

Heineman - X - Newhook
Gallagher - Beck - Anderson

So that leaves room for one more guy. Maybe a free agent signing possibly or another rook that impresses at camp....but I think id much rather hold on to one of Evans or armia over Newhook. I think my preference might be armia because Beck will eventually replace Evans.

So my ideal bottom 6 next year would be to trade Newhook and ice this instead:

Heineman - Beck - Armia
Gallagher - X - Anderson

That still gives us 3 vets at the very least

 

[BLONG7]

and lot's of hot air from Lebrun

Since he has removed his head, from Bergevin's arse, he is pretty much invisible, which is fine by me.
Still seems there is some bad breathe to go with that hot air.....

 

[vokiel]

...in a crazy world, what would we offer the Sabres for Bowen Byram??...

Nothing we're set on the left for a few seasons, what we need are LD futures imho.

 

[Pat Riot]

In 2 season I see our defense looking like this:

Hutson-Reinbacher
Guhle-Carrier
Xhekaj-Mailloux

We have some defensemen with value that we can trade. Matheson with retention could bring back a good prospect or a 1st round pick and Struble a similar profile as Romanov so I think he has a good value on the market. Next season I wonder what Hughes will trade them for. Our Top 6 Is getting crowded with Suzuki-Caufield-Slaf-Demidov-Laine. Dach is still a question mark on center for our second line, if a second line center hit the block it could be interesting. Maybe a good RD if Reinbacher or Mailloux are not ready ready.

If we fall and are not in the mix at the trade deadline I would put Matheson 50% retention on the block to see what we can get. Since we are thin on RD I would prefer to sign Savard another season.

 

[Habs7631]

While we do have a lot of valuable prospects/picks, everything has an expiry date and the time to consolidate is near. This off-season, next deadline or the off-season after at the latest.

Don’t want to be like Nashville/Buffalo with too many youngsters that are blocked who then lose their value and you lose them for peanuts.

I expect/hope for a big trade before summer 2026.

But takes 2 to tango, hopefully soon we find someone who is willing to sell a big fish. And then if we have to overpay, as long we’re not touching the core pieces, we should meet the price tag.

Gotta find a big time seller, who will be happy with a mostly futures package and hope we don’t get outbid. All it takes is one other team in the league to outbid us and stupidly offer one of their core pieces. If desperate teams likes Buffalo/NYR/Vancouver are our competitors for specific players and they’re willing to put Power/Byram/Cozens/Pettersson/Lafreniere/Perreault on the table then I don’t think we can do much then. There’s a couple of GMs on the hot seat. The team we’re playing tonight Utah, pretty sure I red on their board at some point that the new owner told the front office, playoffs in the next 2 years (or 3? Can’t remember) or you guys are gone.

And then you have other teams that can offer the similar/more futures then us as well. Quick look at NJ, Nemec/Silayev/Mercer/Casey/Gritsyuk and a boatload of 2nds, and they’re probably willing to trade future 1st since their window is open now.

The buyers market might become competitive if good names becomes available. Interesting time period for the club coming, let’s see what HuGo can do.

 

[Skip Bayless]

 

[The Great Weal]

Sorry people but EP40 is not the awnser for our center problems.

Dude looks like another Drouin internally. Bro is getting cooked in Vancouver and the last thing we need is another headcase like him. He's skilled but I wouldn't play him above Suzuki and this guy commands 11m a year.

Id rather target Barzal , Sam Bennet , Necas (If still available) , Nick Schmaltz, Troy Terry .

Those are centers that could play with potentially Demidov and Laine next season.

That's if we need immediate help for centers. I think habs are the point to overpay for a player. Add extra 1st or a Reinbacher.

With probably Beck Suzuki and Evans adding another center would solidify our offense .

Barzal is eerily similar Drouin. World class skating with phenomenal hands but a perimeter player with poor shooting. Bennett's got 28 points in 42 games (2 points in his last 15) primarily playing with Verhaege and Tkachuk and will ask for over 7 million/year. Necas is charming soft, not great defensively, cooling off big time after his unsustainable start, not really a center, and is due for a crazy extension that won't be too far off of EP's contract. Schmaltz and Terry aren't centers and probably won't leave their respective teams.

If his injury isn't deemed anything concerning, EP would be a godsend to this team should the Canucks choose to trade him for whatever reason.

 

[CHfan1]

PIERRE LEBRUN: Yeah, the Flames have no interest in trading him, point blank, and they’re a little confused as to why they’re getting calls from other teams checking in on his availability.

What GM Craig Conroy has told other teams is “We’re not interested in trading Rasmus Andersson.”

He’s not a player on an expiring deal, the Flames are in a playoff race, and in fact, the Flames hope to extend Rasmus Andersson potentially this summer when he’s allowed to extend one year out.

 

[HuGort]

What if Duchene gets to UFA status ? He's is a LH C who wins about 55% of his draws and should score 60 plus points for a couple years yet despite his age.

Definitely an option.

 

[HuGort]

Even when we acquired him I never did see the long term vision. I suppose they thought they could mold him into a replacement for Lehkonen on the third line but guys like Heineman or Beck are going to fill a role like that far better. Newhook is the kind of guy you throw out on PP2 for basement teams.

Newhook had great college and amateur career. No doubt played a role in the trade. Just didn't translate well to NHL

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Newhook had great college and amateur career. No doubt played a role in the trade. Just didn't translate well to NHL

Yet.

 

[Legend123]

So is crosby gonna join the Habs this tdl?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

So is crosby gonna join the Habs this tdl?

 

[calder candidate]

Newhooks gotta go by summer at latest. I don't want him clogging up a spot in the bottom 6 after this year

I don’t really want to keep Newhook but we won’t have Dvorak, Pez and we could be losing Evans and Armia… I don’t think Newhook will be clogging anything also if they can’t beat out Newhook maybe they are better off getting more ice time in the AHL

 

[sampollock]

KH man he has some thinking to do..
move a guy at the deadline? when the team is playing so well

 

[ReHabs]

Since he has removed his head, from Bergevin's arse, he is pretty much invisible, which is fine by me.
Still seems there is some bad breathe to go with that hot air.....

Remember that Bergevin fluff job a few months back? Preposterous.

 

[InsideLaine]

KH man he has some thinking to do..
move a guy at the deadline? when the team is playing so well

Yup! Its hard to top the last month no matter which trades are done (or none):

The best NHL- schedules site btw, only Finns can relate.

Yup! Its hard to top the last month no matter which trades are done (or none)

So he might get blamed regardless Honestly I think most of us want to see some big trade happen. Its just human nature. We crave for excitement and change.

 

[sampollock]

this is a great place for KH to be. success and has assets to trade

 

[sampollock]

how about KH look at Ryan Pulock RH D

 

[Dirby Kach]

On David Savard
Can Kent Hughes extract a first round pick or good prospect for David Savard?
I'm not sold the answer to this question is no.
Looking at TSN trade board the impending UFA guys available are Borgen, M. Pettersson, Trent Frederic, Ceci and a 6.75M Provorov.
IMO David Savard is a serviceable veteran who can play, he is not terrible like many are telling me. He also has great playoff experience.
There is not much available. Out of that list, Savard should be the guy you target and the most valuable.
Now.. if i can only get a 2nd for Savard - I might just tell the other team no thanks - you can go get borgen or ceci then.
I already have 7 picks in the first three rounds of the 25 Draft - another 2nd doesn't change a whole lot for me personally and I'm in the race now so maybe having Savard is more valuable than a 2nd.
Thoughts? The main board would have a conniption if the Habs got a first for anyone.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I was pissed off last night because I expected Tampa to beat the Bruins (Lindholm and McAvoy injured). Made a few bets and found our Point was benched right before the game.

 

[Habs Halifax]

On David Savard
Can Kent Hughes extract a first round pick or good prospect for David Savard?
I'm not sold the answer to this question is no.
Looking at TSN trade board the impending UFA guys available are Borgen, M. Pettersson, Trent Frederic, Ceci and a 6.75M Provorov.
IMO David Savard is a serviceable veteran who can play, he is not terrible like many are telling me. He also has great playoff experience.
There is not much available. Out of that list, Savard should be the guy you target and the most valuable.
Now.. if i can only get a 2nd for Savard - I might just tell the other team no thanks - you can go get borgen or ceci then.
I already have 7 picks in the first three rounds of the 25 Draft - another 2nd doesn't change a whole lot for me personally and I'm in the race now so maybe having Savard is more valuable than a 2nd.
Thoughts? The main board would have a conniption if the Habs got a first for anyone.

Hughes will wait it out till last minute TDL day, because that's when the best offers are made. Habs have one retention spot left and $1.75M prorated for the last 25% of the season is very attractive for a guy like Savard who has a cup and lots of playoff experience.

We have to consider that teams are after more than just one add but they have limited cap space. Then you add the lack of available RD factor and you just know, the phone rings and rings about how they can acquire Savard.

 

[habamillions]

On David Savard
Can Kent Hughes extract a first round pick or good prospect for David Savard?
I'm not sold the answer to this question is no.
Looking at TSN trade board the impending UFA guys available are Borgen, M. Pettersson, Trent Frederic, Ceci and a 6.75M Provorov.
IMO David Savard is a serviceable veteran who can play, he is not terrible like many are telling me. He also has great playoff experience.
There is not much available. Out of that list, Savard should be the guy you target and the most valuable.
Now.. if i can only get a 2nd for Savard - I might just tell the other team no thanks - you can go get borgen or ceci then.
I already have 7 picks in the first three rounds of the 25 Draft - another 2nd doesn't change a whole lot for me personally and I'm in the race now so maybe having Savard is more valuable than a 2nd.
Thoughts? The main board would have a conniption if the Habs got a first for anyone.

Thats just it. The offer would have to be too good to pass up. Teams is playing well and if that continues you cant trade for just picks. Its different if the team is way out of it. However this isnt the year where you trade a bunch of picks to make the playoffs either. Hughes is in an interesting spot. A barron for carrier type trade would make sense again

 

[Captain Mountain]

On David Savard
Can Kent Hughes extract a first round pick or good prospect for David Savard?
I'm not sold the answer to this question is no.
Looking at TSN trade board the impending UFA guys available are Borgen, M. Pettersson, Trent Frederic, Ceci and a 6.75M Provorov.
IMO David Savard is a serviceable veteran who can play, he is not terrible like many are telling me. He also has great playoff experience.
There is not much available. Out of that list, Savard should be the guy you target and the most valuable.
Now.. if i can only get a 2nd for Savard - I might just tell the other team no thanks - you can go get borgen or ceci then.
I already have 7 picks in the first three rounds of the 25 Draft - another 2nd doesn't change a whole lot for me personally and I'm in the race now so maybe having Savard is more valuable than a 2nd.
Thoughts? The main board would have a conniption if the Habs got a first for anyone.

Savard is averaging less than 19 minutes a night (which will go down as he's clearly 5th on the pecking order) and has struggled 5v5. He's not getting a 1st. If he was getting a 1st, it would have been last year (and I think if a 1st was offered, he would have been traded).

 

[Habs Halifax]

In 2 season I see our defense looking like this:

Hutson-Reinbacher
Guhle-Carrier
Xhekaj-Mailloux

We have some defensemen with value that we can trade. Matheson with retention could bring back a good prospect or a 1st round pick and Struble a similar profile as Romanov so I think he has a good value on the market. Next season I wonder what Hughes will trade them for. Our Top 6 Is getting crowded with Suzuki-Caufield-Slaf-Demidov-Laine. Dach is still a question mark on center for our second line, if a second line center hit the block it could be interesting. Maybe a good RD if Reinbacher or Mailloux are not ready ready.

If we fall and are not in the mix at the trade deadline I would put Matheson 50% retention on the block to see what we can get. Since we are thin on RD I would prefer to sign Savard another season.

Matheson stays as our RD. Savard is the one traded as a rental and maybe we bring him back in July as a depth piece. That's how I see it.

Matheson for one more year will give us a better idea on how good Mailloux and Reinbacher are. Habs are at a point where we are not going to insert guys that learn on the job anymore. If Reinbacher shows us he can fill that role for 26/27, then we consider flipping Matheson at the next deadline.

Lets not move out a piece like Matheson and pencil in youth who will learn on the job. We are in transition up the standings now... we should not be having guys learn on the job.