HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Vancouver would need to take Gallagher and Matheson as a base for EP. That guy is frail as hell.

 

[ReHabs]

Im not sure Boston has the pieces necessary and as for The Habs, it would be cool but at what cost?

Despite what we Habs fans might feel about the captain, over their careers to this point EP40 has been a better player than Suzuki. The question for the Habs is therefore: IF he's healthy and his intangibles are not problematic, how badly do the Habs want to have a Suzuki-Pettersson 1-2 punch? It won't be the toughest top6, it won't be the quickest top6, but one could say it would be very intelligent and reliable by virtue of just those two alone.

So let's say the Habs really want him (and think he will recover from whatever has been ailing him) and let's say the Canucks want to build a tough playoff-style team in the spirit of Rick Tocchet and JT Miller and therefore want to get out from under that commitment to EP40.

EP40's cap hit really sucks but they won't want to retain on it given the OEL fisaco, so let's forget that. What can we give to VAN to get EP40 that won't derail our own team rebuild?

How about something like Evans + Xhekaj + Mailloux + Dach

Evans is worth a 1st round pick and is in high-demand by playoff teams this year
Xhekaj is a tough defender who'd be loved by any playoff team
Mailloux is a floundering though high-upside prospect with a big frame
Dach is a hedge for Van for a top6 NHL C with a short contract commitment for evaluation purposes

It's a lot of NHL roster talent going out the door. Is it not enough? Is it laughable? I think the caphit puts a big damper on his trade price. See how CBJ paid us to take Laine... We're not privy to their conversations and interests but I'm thinking in terms of what the Habs can afford to lose without derailing the rebuild.

 

[vokiel]

you mean Tij ++

Damage good for damage goods... 1 for 1

 

[DAChampion]

It's clearly the case that if the Habs want Petersson, they have the assets to acquire him, and they can do so without crippling either their depth or their farm system or their draft capital.

It is completely fine to trade both firsts this year if they believe in what they're acquiring.

 

[WinterLion]

It's clearly the case that if the Habs want Petersson, they have the assets to acquire him, and they can do so without crippling either their depth or their farm system or their draft capital.

It is completely fine to trade both firsts this year if they believe in what they're acquiring.

Agreed. I doubt they will want Petersson though. I don't think the timeline fits.

 

[digmor crusher]

Despite what we Habs fans might feel about the captain, over their careers to this point EP40 has been a better player than Suzuki. The question for the Habs is therefore: IF he's healthy and his intangibles are not problematic, how badly do the Habs want to have a Suzuki-Pettersson 1-2 punch? It won't be the toughest top6, it won't be the quickest top6, but one could say it would be very intelligent and reliable by virtue of just those two alone.

So let's say the Habs really want him (and think he will recover from whatever has been ailing him) and let's say the Canucks want to build a tough playoff-style team in the spirit of Rick Tocchet and JT Miller and therefore want to get out from under that commitment to EP40.

EP40's cap hit really sucks but they won't want to retain on it given the OEL fisaco, so let's forget that. What can we give to VAN to get EP40 that won't derail our own team rebuild?

How about something like Evans + Xhekaj + Mailloux + Dach

Evans is worth a 1st round pick and is in high-demand by playoff teams this year
Xhekaj is a tough defender who'd be loved by any playoff team
Mailloux is a floundering though high-upside prospect with a big frame
Dach is a hedge for Van for a top6 NHL C with a short contract commitment for evaluation purposes

It's a lot of NHL roster talent going out the door. Is it not enough? Is it laughable? I think the caphit puts a big damper on his trade price. See how CBJ paid us to take Laine... We're not privy to their conversations and interests but I'm thinking in terms of what the Habs can afford to lose without derailing the rebuild.

Gutting the team for EP is a bad idea, I think EP is the type of player you won't win cups with.

 

[DAChampion]

Gutting the team for EP is a bad idea, I think EP is the type of player you won't win cups with.

The post you're quoting doesn't suggest "gutting the team".

 

[Habs 4 Life]

It's clearly the case that if the Habs want Petersson, they have the assets to acquire him, and they can do so without crippling either their depth or their farm system or their draft capital.

It is completely fine to trade both firsts this year if they believe in what they're acquiring.

While I agree, I don't think the Canucks who are trying to compete care much about futures... Unless they have moves prepared to trade those acquired picks/prospects

 

[DAChampion]

While I agree, I don't think the Canucks who are trying to compete care much about futures... Unless they have moves prepared to trade those acquired picks/prospects

The Canucks may not value futures that much, but if their GM is shrewd (unknown) he can flip the liberated cap space and additional draft picks.

Or, skip that step, the Habs can throw in their two 1sts this year and set up a three way trade.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

The Canucks may not value futures that much, but if their GM is shrewd (unknown) he can flip the liberated cap space and additional draft picks.

Or, skip that step, the Habs can throw in their two 1sts this year and set up a three way trade.

A 3 way trade in that case involving our picks make a lot more sense. Like I said, I really believe if the Canucks are to make big trades here, it's not for futures IMO.

In our case, that type of center is one of 2 pieces IMO missing to compete long term. KH needs to figure it out and a top 3 D as well

 

[habsfan891]

Apparently, Islanders are in the Pettersson sweepstakes. Rumors are Dobson & Danny Nelson.

That's actually a really good offer. Canucks need someone behind Hughes - Hronek to move the puck & help set up offense.

Canucks could play Hronek-Dobson-Willander as they're RD next season, which is a vast improvement over what they have this year.

NYI don't have the cap space for Petey this season, but they do next season.

Nelson is a 3rd/4th line center depth, but a decent prospect.

I'd rather call the Islanders for Dobson if they are offering him in trades

 

[austin316]

EP is one of the softest and mentally fragile players in the league. I highly doubt the Habs have any interest in him given the value they place on character. He is not a player you win with.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The post you're quoting doesn't suggest "gutting the team".

Because the proposed trade won't get you Petterson. The offer that woiuld get him would likely gut the team

 

[DAChampion]

Because the proposed trade won't get you Petterson. The offer that woiuld get him would likely gut the team

There's no reason to believe that.

Would an Eichel-type trade gut the team?

Did you think that acquiring Laine would be expensive?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

A 3 way trade in that case involving our picks make a lot more sense. Like I said, I really believe if the Canucks are to make big trades here, it's not for futures IMO.

In our case, that type of center is one of 2 pieces IMO missing to compete long term. KH needs to figure it out and a top 3 D as well

Nailed it.

There’s no path to acquiring EP for the Habs without a 3rd team in play. Vancouver has no incentive to go backwards in the short term for futures.

The only way it works is if we’re trading futures to a team for a coveted young established player and Vancouver flips us EP for that player.

There’s a lot of options out there for Vancouver that don’t involve the witchcraft necessary to table a deal with the Habs.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

There's no reason to believe that.

Would an Eichel-type trade gut the team?

Did you think that acquiring Laine would be expensive?

No one could take Laine's full contract and Columbus wasn't interested in eating any of it. If Canucks are willing to retain 50% there are probably a few teams that can find a way to fit him under the cap. In the Habs case they could take Anderson or Gallagher,

 

[ReHabs]

Gutting the team for EP is a bad idea, I think EP is the type of player you won't win cups with.

Do you really think Evans (UFA), Xhekaj (bottom pairing), Mailloux (AHL), and Dach is “gutting the team” ?

 

[MolleSon]

I'd rather call the Islanders for Dobson if they are offering him in trades

I'd be all ears for that...

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Then what's the context? Do we need to go out and get an Austrian player so that Reinbacher, was it a mistake not get a veteran Slovak player for Slafkovsky? Or is it only Russians that are at risk?

Also wasn't the rumor at the time that Hamrlik was the one who introduced the Kostitsyn's to that stuff?

The Habs also had Markov, did that help the Kostitsyn?

The Kostitsyn did it to themselves nothing to do with their nationality.

 

[montreal]

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yeah right Beck and Mailloux are easily tradeable.
Demidov is a sur eno

 

[vokiel]

We ain't buyers, that is for sure.

 

[Sorinth]

We ain't buyers, that is for sure.

Depends on what you're buying. We shouldn't be interested in UFA rentals, especially at the cost of good picks/prospects. But UFAs that we intend and have reason to believe will sign an extension after the trade, or players with a number of years still remaining on their contract? We could certainly be buyers for those even at the cost of good picks/prospects assuming value wise it's a good trade.

 

[vokiel]

Depends on what you're buying. We shouldn't be interested in UFA rentals, especially at the cost of good picks/prospects. But UFAs that we intend and have reason to believe will sign an extension after the trade, or players with a number of years still remaining on their contract? We could certainly be buyers for those even at the cost of good picks/prospects assuming value wise it's a good trade.

In the off-season perhaps. There wouldn't be any logic in doing it before the TDL, unless they decided to do hockey trades with their own UFAs, which is as rare as cat poop.

 

[Sorinth]

In the off-season perhaps. There wouldn't be any logic in doing it before the TDL, unless they decided to do hockey trades with their own UFAs, which is as rare as cat poop.

The Barron for Carrier trade is also being a "buyer", if another such opportunity arises there's no reason to wait for the offseason.