HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Habs Halifax]

These should be some of the pieces we use to fill our holes. At this point in time, any future draft pick is a 5 year solution (3 years min).

If we can add a talent around Suzuki's age and under team control, we should be very open to using one or both of our 1st rounders in this draft. Our two 2nd's with three 3rd's are solid darts to keep the pool depth solid.

Target talent around Suzuki's age but no younger than Demdiov's age. It's a great 7 year age spread with pretty much everyone in the middle of it.

Slippery slope on EP40...................not sure if we should entertain at all. And then, the other side of the coin is make the guy happy by leaving a toxic show and get a 100pt player??

My concerns are less than J Eichel. If there were no concerns with EP, we would have zero chance to acquire. EP is a serious 80-100 pts player and has that left handed one timer/shot which is a hole on our roster. Slaf showed some of it last year but it's not enough. We need left handed snipers as well and EP fits big time.

I'm always gullible towards big boys that can pick corners. Need guys who can skate and play D but you need the snipers just as much. I chuckled at some fans who thought Montreal was the last place for Laine to be.

 

[morhilane]

Just a friendly reminder that star players rarely go for what they’re presumably worth. I’ve lost count of how many HF meltdowns I’ve seen where Habs could’ve easily matched an offer for a star player but didn’t get them.

Doubt EP or Miller will go for anything close to what some of these proposals are giving away.

It's the cap hit. The team trading the player don't want trash cap dumps back, to retain or to pay to move said cap hit, while there aren't a lot of teams with the cap space to absorb them or whiling to pay to get that player and screw over their cap structure for years.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's the cap hit. The team trading the player don't want trash cap dumps back, to retain or to pay to move said cap hit, while there aren't a lot of teams with the cap space to absorb them or whiling to pay to get that player and screw over their cap structure for years.

Offer Dach, Newhook, and Matheson with both our 1st's. Those are 3 quality NHL Players with Matheson in his prime and the other two as RFA assets still maturing. Dach/Newhook/Matheson = $11M. These 3 players have a shot at improving the Canucks and they get two solid 1st round darts to hit with.

Crazy offer but I would do it.

 

[BLONG7]

Offer Dach, Newhook, and Matheson with both our 1st's. Those are 3 quality NHL Players with Matheson in his prime and the other two as RFA assets still maturing. Dach/Newhook/Matheson = $11M. These 3 players have a shot at improving the Canucks and they get two solid 1st round darts to hit with.

Crazy offer but I would do it.

Seems like waaaayyyy too much to offer.

 

[morhilane]

Offer Dach, Newhook, and Matheson with both our 1st's. Those are 3 quality NHL Players with Matheson in his prime and the other two as RFA assets still maturing. Dach/Newhook/Matheson = $11M. These 3 players have a shot at improving the Canucks and they get two solid 1st round darts to hit with.

Crazy offer but I would do it.

No team is trading that level of package for a struggling EP40 with a possible chronic knee issue.

And who fills the top 4 RD and middle 6 center/winger spot after that trade? That's just crippling the team and the Carrier/Barron trade showed that the Habs main stability issues came from lacking a vet D.

Teams trade from position of strength. Habs current trade strength are picks and prospects, not their active roster unless they can do a swap (Matheson for an RHD make sense, Matheson for a forward do not).

 

[Habs Halifax]

No team is trading that level of package for a struggling EP40 with a possible chronic knee issue.

And who fills the top 4 RD and middle 6 center/winger spot after that trade? That's just crippling the team and the Carrier/Barron trade showed that the Habs main stability issues came from lacking a vet D.

Teams trade from position of strength. Habs current trade strength are picks and prospects, not their active roster unless they can do a swap (Matheson for an RHD make sense, Matheson for a forward do not).

Do you think he goes for something around the J Eichel trade? I think it would be higher than that.

We would be sending $11M out and added $11M in (basically even). Trade doesn't happen until after the lottery (obviously) so we have lots of time to find another stop gap D like Carrier this summer. It's not like it would be our only move we can make bud

If the Canucks say yes to that crazy 5 piece offer, you would be happy about it I am sure (just like the Habs added Laine). Lets just say it's not probable and avoid the nit picking reasons why it can't work. The value is there for the Canucks and it's something the Habs can afford while it strengthens our core.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Seems like waaaayyyy too much to offer.

It is but imagine offering Harris for Laine and a 2nd this summer? The ignorant Fans you call you Pejorative Slured. You got to go deep to gain any traction on social media I guess.

I feel that if we really think EP is a fit, we need to go deep. Because so many other teams will be making offers. What's fair in this situation does not apply... it would be a bidding war.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It's the cap hit. The team trading the player don't want trash cap dumps back, to retain or to pay to move said cap hit, while there aren't a lot of teams with the cap space to absorb them or whiling to pay to get that player and screw over their cap structure for years.

That’s definitely part of the equation. Cap
Is a premium that a lot of people don’t take into account in a trade equation. I’d also add that the team trading the star player has soured on them so their perceived value on that player is also lower.

Lots of variables to consider that lead to trades for star players being traded for “less” than people think.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

It's the cap hit. The team trading the player don't want trash cap dumps back, to retain or to pay to move said cap hit, while there aren't a lot of teams with the cap space to absorb them or whiling to pay to get that player and screw over their cap structure for years.

There's also NTC or NMC limiting returns too.

 

[morhilane]

Do you think he goes for something around the J Eichel trade? I think it would be higher than that.

Alvin pretty much destroyed EP40 trade value few days ago, so I expect less than what Eichel got.

 

[Garry Valk]

Offer Dach, Newhook, and Matheson with both our 1st's. Those are 3 quality NHL Players with Matheson in his prime and the other two as RFA assets still maturing. Dach/Newhook/Matheson = $11M. These 3 players have a shot at improving the Canucks and they get two solid 1st round darts to hit with.

Crazy offer but I would do it.

Too high. Newhook, a young D, and a couple of high picks would probably do it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Alvin pretty much destroyed EP40 trade value few days ago, so I expect less than what Eichel got.

I bet you it will be equal or more than what Eichel got but who knows... maybe this is just more trade talk and EP stays in Vancouver.

I always find it interesting at who may or may not become available as time moves forward. Who's next after EP? Your guess is as good as mine.

Too high. Newhook, a young D, and a couple of high picks would probably do it.

I feel like Cozens/Byram or Barzal+ would trump your offer. This won't be like the Laine situation. There will be 6+ teams making very serious offers if EP is actually traded.

I also prefer to have money in/out close to the same and I don't care about it being too much as long as it's pieces we can live without. We can live without Dach, Newhook, Matheson and our two 1sts as long as EP is the center we are after. The thing I like the most is his sniping ability as a left handed shot. It's very difficult to find and acquire. With EP, I'd go very deep to acquire

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts

Even though they may end up trading him (Miller) Vancouver needs a player like that. A player that's hard on other players. The coaching staff has to do that, but you need a player like that.


Friedman also compared Pettersson being potentially available to Eichel in terms of caliber of player.

Friedman adds if Miller is going somewhere else, it won't be to another Canadian team.

Says the Rangers are interested, but not sure how easy the match will be.

Mentions Buffalo, then Chicago as his team that would be interested in Miller.

 

[Habs Halifax]

32 thoughts

Even though they may end up trading him (Miller) Vancouver needs a player like that. A player that's hard on other players. The coaching staff has to do that, but you need a player like that.


Friedman also compared Pettersson being potentially available to Eichel in terms of caliber of player.

I also made the Eichel comparison yesterday and 100% agree. It fits and should be close. This time around, the cap is growing so I see more teams getting in the EP mix (if traded)

 

[Deus ex machina]

These should be some of the pieces we use to fill our holes. At this point in time, any future draft pick is a 5 year solution (3 years min).

If we can add a talent around Suzuki's age and under team control, we should be very open to using one or both of our 1st rounders in this draft. Our two 2nd's with three 3rd's are solid darts to keep the pool depth solid.

Target talent around Suzuki's age but no younger than Demdiov's age. It's a great 7 year age spread with pretty much everyone in the middle of it.

My concerns are less than J Eichel. If there were no concerns with EP, we would have zero chance to acquire. EP is a serious 80-100 pts player and has that left handed one timer/shot which is a hole on our roster. Slaf showed some of it last year but it's not enough. We need left handed snipers as well and EP fits big time.

I'm always gullible towards big boys that can pick corners. Need guys who can skate and play D but you need the snipers just as much. I chuckled at some fans who thought Montreal was the last place for Laine to be.

I'm sure some fans also chuckled at the offer of Calgary's 1st, Struble, Beck and a 2nd (or something similar) you were still making for Laine even after some of us pointed out that he had negative to very low value on the market.

 

[sampollock]

1. EP is playing bad and has a monster contract
2. EP would cost the CH so many assets that hey have compiled, no thanks
3. KH needs a centre but not this way with VAN
4. So many posters here dissed the PL rumors and we only have up a D man and got a 2nd back
5. Just think of what posters here would do if we gutted the farm to get EP and he floats out there
6. This server would die

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm sure some fans also chuckled at the offer of Calgary's 1st, Struble, Beck and a 2nd (or something similar) you were still making for Laine even after some of us pointed out that he had negative to very low value on the market.

To be honest, I don't remember the exact multiple packages I offered over a few months talking about Laine. It was definitely higher than just Harris and there was no 2nd coming with Laine. Are you saying that you knew it would be that low? If so, you are reaching. Nobody expected it to be that low and this was about the Blue Jackets not wanting to take any salary back. I'm pretty sure I had Anderson in several of my packages and how can you forget that? Please quote the right context when trying to make a point like this. If I posted Harris for Laine/2nd, you and others would have laughed at that as well

And yes, I already said I am offering more to get the conversation started. What's your point? It's going to be much less than what Eichel return or the same? I think it will be more (if EP is traded).

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Offering Dach, Newhook, Matty + both 2025 firsts for EP is bonkers!

If that offer was on the table, EP would be a Canadien right now.

This deal doesn't help the Habs as a whole because you kill their depth and future assets for draft or trade.

The Habs are doing well lately because of their depth. Take that away and replace it with rookies or plugs and your back to square one.

Stanley cup winning teams have 2 good top 6 lines (which they usually.complete with a trade at tje deadline) and great depth players for the 3rd and 4th lines.

Pulling that trade for EP basically means KH will need to make multiple other trades to get experienced depth.

 

[morhilane]

32 thoughts

Even though they may end up trading him (Miller) Vancouver needs a player like that. A player that's hard on other players. The coaching staff has to do that, but you need a player like that.

Friedman also compared Pettersson being potentially available to Eichel in terms of caliber of player.

Friedman adds if Miller is going somewhere else, it won't be to another Canadian team.

Says the Rangers are interested, but not sure how easy the match will be.

Mentions Buffalo, then Chicago as his team that would be interested in Miller.

Friedman's speculation are so stupid sometimes. Miller has a full NMC, why would he lift it for Buffalo or Chicago?

 

[Habs Halifax]

1. EP is playing bad and has a monster contract
2. EP would cost the CH so many assets that hey have compiled, no thanks
3. KH needs a centre but not this way with VAN
4. So many posters here dissed the PL rumors and we only have up a D man and got a 2nd back
5. Just think of what posters here would do if we gutted the farm to get EP and he floats out there
6. This server would die

Same comment I made with Laine... He's not coming to an island by himself (like Drouin).

Can't believe some of you are finding reasons to say no to EP when we have the assets to acquire and something we can afford to spare.

If EP was playing as well as last year and the year before, it's 0% chance to acquire. But now that he is on a low trend.... Nah... he's not worth it . I swear some of you don't know how to comprehend the rollercoaster ride and it's always pump up at the high points and pump down at the low points. No middle ground whatsoever for some of you and it's strange

 

[sampollock]

Same comment I made with Laine... He's not coming to an island by himself (like Drouin).

Can't believe some of you are finding reasons to say no to EP when we have the assets to acquire and something we can afford to spare.

If EP was playing as well as last year and the year before, it's 0% chance to acquire. But now that he is on a low trend.... Nah... he's not worth it . I swear some of you don't know how to comprehend the rollercoaster ride and it's always pump up at the high points and pump down at the low points. No middle ground whatsoever for some of you and it's strange

he is sucking good time to buy for sure.
you could be right. so you guarantee IF KH paid prospects and picks that this will turn out well?
I know he is a good player, dont disagree.
Middle ground is deplete the farm for him is risky.
if the deal was reasonable maybe

I get the buy low deal
so what would you give up for him today?

 

[eklund the clown]

What everyone is forgetting here is the 8 year 11.4 mil contract.That alone is a deterrent for any team thinking of trading for EP .What if he never comes back to being 100 point player or even worse?What team can or would be able to take that cap hit?Offering 2 or 3 roster players and 2 1st round picks is just ridiculous offers with that contract

 

[DAChampion]

What everyone is forgetting here is the 8 year 11.4 mil contract.That alone is a deterrent for any team thinking of trading for EP .What if he never comes back to being 100 point player or even worse?What team can or would be able to take that cap hit?Offering 2 or 3 roster players and 2 1st round picks is just ridiculous offers with that contract

That deal is what EP would have been worth in the pre-cap era.

 

[salbutera]

To be honest I’d be more interested in poaching young underperforming talent off Buf if able to - like the workhorse from Whitehorse (Cozens) and / or Jack Quinn

I think both are simply stuck in a bad situation, and would takeoff under a player whisperer like MSL

 

[vokiel]

To be honest I’d be more interested in poaching young underperforming talent off Buf if able to - like the workhorse from Whitehorse (Cozens) and / or Jack Quinn

I think both are simply stuck in a bad situation, and would takeoff under a player whisperer like MSL

Re-trying the Dach, Newhook, Barron experiments again?

Without experience coaching, that's a no thank you.