HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

And if he doesn't?

Habs suck and get a better pick.

A team might be looking at Primeau thinking a change of scenery might work and might do a 1 for 1 swap.

I wouldn't bring up Dobes.

 

[Rapala]

My problem with EP is his salary and quite frankly not a playoffs player prototype. I would prefer a player like Bennett at 8M$ per.


Nah. Quite frankly, Laine’s comments weren’t that bad.They just turned it into a motivation for the game. He would absolutely sign here if he becomes UFA. But if Habs really want him, they might have to step up at the deadline and give a good asset for him.

Olivier knows for a fact the team's infrastructures are just on different levels.

 

[Rapala]

Nick Perbix also RHD free agent.

This is a guy I would be ALL OVER.

 

[vokiel]

Habs suck and get a better pick.

A team might be looking at Primeau thinking a change of scenery might work and might do a 1 for 1 swap.

I wouldn't bring up Dobes.

If relations with the coach aren't good, I see them waive Primeau to recall Hughes.

It's the cheap "we're in tank mode" move, "because we can't improve at the moment".

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

If relations with the coach aren't good, I see them waive Primeau to recall Hughes.

It's the cheap "we're in tank mode" move, "because we can't improve at the moment".

Hughes has been pretty good except for a couple of games recently. I assume he came over to try to make the NHL. Waive Pimeau and call him up. If he is a solid backup they can hopefully re sign him. Either that or trade him at the deadline if they are out of contention and they are sure Dobes will be ready next season.

 

[tazsub3]

Pagnotta says we’re selling roster players this season in order to acquire other roster players in the coming off-season? I hope so but I’ll believe it when I see it fella.

We’re actually quite asset poor right now despite three years of tanking and selling and many years of not making big trades.

We’ve lost approximate trade value on a number of a players and prospects: Dach, Newhook, Reinbacher, Mešar, Roy, Mailloux, etc.

Which of our prospects are “tantalizing” as a major part of a trade package? Hage, Beck, and who else? Both Hage and Beck are super necessary to retain for our team’s depth.

Which of our not-UFA players are “tantalizing” as a major part of a trade package? Xhekaj, Matheson, Laine (unlikely to be moved), and who else?

Relative poverty makes things more expensive.

While some of your points are valid on paper , if we go back in time , would you think Harris gets you a second let alone a laine ?
Heck would any one of us honestly thought that Hoffman could be unloaded without giving up a highish pick ?
Based simply on such moves I can us having many assets we might not value but they still retaining much value when kh offers them

 

[SakuKoivu11]

Jake Evans is on pace for 50 points this year. 19 goals! The average cap for a 50 points centre who wins face-off is around $5 million per year. I don't think he'll fit under our cap. As of today I think his trade value is the same as Sean Monahan last year. A first round pick for pending UFA.

Joel Armia is on pace for 38 points. 16 goals probably his best production in his career. For a 3rd line player who averages 40 points, you're looking at $4 mil range. I don't think we will resign him at that price point. His trade value at best is a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick or prospect pending UFA. Maybe Marc Bergevin will convince Rob Blake to trade for him? Bergy loves his former players. He convinced Blake to give Edmunson 4 years contract at $4 mil per year. I could see a 2nd round pick for Armia.

David Savard is on pace for 23 points as a shutdown defensemen. This is actually really valuable for a team making the hard push for the playoffs. He's great on the penalty kill and use his body for playoff hockey. I see Tampa who's familiar with him. I can see Tampa throwing 2 x 2nd round picks for Savard who's pending UFA.

Christian Dvorak is strictly a face/off centre who kills penalty. He's the least likely of the 4 we bring back. I see a team like Winnipeg looking for a player like him on the 4th line winning face offs kills penalties in the playoffs. He's probably not worth more than a 3rd round pick.

The 4 players above could get us
1st round pick (Evans)
2nd round pick (Armia)
2nd round pick (Savard)
2nd round pick (Savard)
3rd round pick (Dvorak)

If we somehow get a top 6 pick or the Calgary's pick is top 15, I could see Hughes/Gorton making crazy moves at the draft.

I mean jumping from 6th overall to 4th overall will require 2 x 2nd round picks or maybe a 2nd and a 3rd to move up 2 spots.

Also if Calgary's pick is like 15th overall. Packaging 15th, 2nd round pick and another 2nd will get us in the top 10.

I mean 2 top 10 picks is not impossible.

For me our own pick (one of Hagens/Martone/Schaefer/Misa)
Calgary's pick via trades? (Desnoyers/McQueen/Eklund/Frondell/Spence)

Its not out of the question our rebuild is near the end.


Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Demidov Misa Laine/Hage
Roy Desnoyers Dach/Hage
Tuch Beck Xhekaj
Newhook

Hutson Reinbacher
Schaefer Guhle
Xhekaj Mailloux
Carrier

Fowler
Dobes
Montembeault

 

[ReHabs]

While some of your points are valid on paper , if we go back in time , would you think Harris gets you a second let alone a laine ?

The salary+cap space is a huge part of it. Do you think Monahan and a 1st makes sense without taking the cap hit into account? Sure doesn’t!

Heck would any one of us honestly thought that Hoffman could be unloaded without giving up a highish pick ?

Cap space.

Based simply on such moves I can us having many assets we might not value but they still retaining much value when kh offers them

Hughes can sell cap space… but cap space is cheaper now going forward because the Covid crunch is over.

 

[frapp10]

We could try to sign Ekblad this summer.

Hutson Ekblad
Guhle Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher/mailloux/vet

 

[Vachon23]

Pettersson is a baby butt soft quitter and a genuine dbag......I wouldn't take him for free. We already have evidence that Suzuki is a much better player than Pettersson in the playoffs and that is all that matters.

?

Pettersson have been more productive in the playoffs then Suzuki

Suzuki: 23 pts in 32 games
Pettersson: 24 pts in 30 games

 

[Vachon23]

Olivier knows for a fact the team's infrastructures are just on different levels.

One thing with Olivier, is that his after career would be set if he signs here. Especially the way he communicates with the media’s

 

[Adam Michaels]

So as of midnight tonight, the freeze is no longer in effect.

 

[vokiel]

So as of midnight tonight, the freeze is no longer in effect.

Trade everyone!

 

[RationalExpectations]

Jake Evans is on pace for 50 points this year. 19 goals! The average cap for a 50 points centre who wins face-off is around $5 million per year. I don't think he'll fit under our cap. As of today I think his trade value is the same as Sean Monahan last year. A first round pick for pending UFA.

Joel Armia is on pace for 38 points. 16 goals probably his best production in his career. For a 3rd line player who averages 40 points, you're looking at $4 mil range. I don't think we will resign him at that price point. His trade value at best is a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick or prospect pending UFA. Maybe Marc Bergevin will convince Rob Blake to trade for him? Bergy loves his former players. He convinced Blake to give Edmunson 4 years contract at $4 mil per year. I could see a 2nd round pick for Armia.

David Savard is on pace for 23 points as a shutdown defensemen. This is actually really valuable for a team making the hard push for the playoffs. He's great on the penalty kill and use his body for playoff hockey. I see Tampa who's familiar with him. I can see Tampa throwing 2 x 2nd round picks for Savard who's pending UFA.

Christian Dvorak is strictly a face/off centre who kills penalty. He's the least likely of the 4 we bring back. I see a team like Winnipeg looking for a player like him on the 4th line winning face offs kills penalties in the playoffs. He's probably not worth more than a 3rd round pick.

The 4 players above could get us
1st round pick (Evans)
2nd round pick (Armia)
2nd round pick (Savard)
2nd round pick (Savard)
3rd round pick (Dvorak)

If we somehow get a top 6 pick or the Calgary's pick is top 15, I could see Hughes/Gorton making crazy moves at the draft.

I mean jumping from 6th overall to 4th overall will require 2 x 2nd round picks or maybe a 2nd and a 3rd to move up 2 spots.

Also if Calgary's pick is like 15th overall. Packaging 15th, 2nd round pick and another 2nd will get us in the top 10.

I mean 2 top 10 picks is not impossible.

For me our own pick (one of Hagens/Martone/Schaefer/Misa)
Calgary's pick via trades? (Desnoyers/McQueen/Eklund/Frondell/Spence)

Its not out of the question our rebuild is near the end.


Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Demidov Misa Laine/Hage
Roy Desnoyers Dach/Hage
Tuch Beck Xhekaj
Newhook

Hutson Reinbacher
Schaefer Guhle
Xhekaj Mailloux
Carrier

Fowler
Dobes
Montembeault

Disturbing that you'd think the rebuild is close to the end while projecting 3 top 10 guys the Habs may ,ever draft in that lineup...

 

[Rapala]

One thing with Olivier, is that his after career would be set if he signs here. Especially the way he communicates with the media’s

Indeed.
96% chance he signs here.
In before Friedman.

 

[Habs Icing]

So as of midnight tonight, the freeze is no longer in effect.

Boy! That was a short winter.

 

[morhilane]

Indeed.
96% chance he signs here.
In before Friedman.

CJB is going to trade Olivier if he refuse a contract extension before the deadline.

 

[Runner77]

One thing with Olivier, is that his after career would be set if he signs here. Especially the way he communicates with the media’s

Olivier knows when not to comment while Laine is completely clueless.

 

[sampollock]

Trade everyone!

bye Math

 

[sampollock]

time for KH to use picks and whatever to land a big C in a trade.
I know he mentioned this, but if KH keeps getting picks all these picks can't play here anyway

which team needs to rebuild with picks?
Buff
Bos
NYI
NYR
NAS
DET

just thinking out loud

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I wonder what the Caps would want for Lapierre, the Caps are in win-now mode and there isn't any room for him in their lineup. He was awesome last year in the AHL playoffs and his speed and playmaking could help Laine at 5 on 5.

With Dvorak gone after this year, the uncertainty around Evans' future and Dach's struggles, we could use some more C depth.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Free agent targets early addition.

This is the habs re-sign no one and make no trades to bring anyone else in.

Mitch Marner and Mikko Rantanen would be some really nice targets.

Yes, there are questions about Marner's playoff play, but when there's that amount of skill available you get that if you can and worry about the playoffs later.

However, those players are probably, more than likely not coming here.

Aaron Ekblad - Panthers have him and Bennett as UFAs and there's always a possibility that Florida finds a way and keeps both, but if they can't, I have to imagine they let Ekblad go.

Ekblad is a big boi, right handed d and could be the nice player who solely slides down the lineup. You sign him, you play him as you're number 1 RHD. The guy was 1 of 3 dmen that helped take Florida to the cup final in back-to-back years and helped them win in the 2nd time. He along with Forsling carried the defensive play to help try and shutdown the other team.

Solid production and would fit nicely in that the habs can let Reinbacher play most, if not all of next season in the A, then come up and start on the 3rd pairing and work his way up.

If it looks like he's struggling, it gives the habs time to sign/acquire another right hand d to take the mantle from Ekblad as his play starts to slide.

The habs should be able to have him come in and be their number 1 RHD, then slide down to the 2nd pairing and eventually be a 3rd pairing/ buyout candidate towards the end of his career, but given that a 7 year contract would take him to 36 he should be fine to be a top 4 dman just at the end of it.

The problem is, you're potentially looking at a contract towards 9 mill.

Jakob Chychrun - Yes, he's a left hand d. However, he's a UFA at almost the earliest you can be. The habs could get him in his prime, 27-34 for a dman is prime time. Big shot, tough d, but he has been often injured. However, last year he played all 82 and this year he's missed 5.

He can be a really nice fish, but that fear of his typically injury-riddled season is still there imo.

Sam Bennett - Doubt he makes it, but you got a physical, dirty, skilled player that elevates his game in crunch time. Would be a huge win. Highly doubt he even makes it to free agency.

Anthony Mantha - Guy is often injured, but he started off really well for Calgary and got a bad injury. Would bring him on in a 1 year contract to replace Armia with that big body, bottom 6 lines.

Fredrik Andersen - Either goes back overseas, or re-signs in Carolina, but he would be a nice 1 year goaltender if the stop gap is needed. Issues are he's hurt quite often and every year.

Jordan Greenway - Big body, physical, can PK, so he's got multi-use and would be a replacement/upgrade on Armia.

Justin Brazeau - 6'5, physical forward who was a menace in junior, but that took time. He went to the ECHL and became a menace there. Then he became one in the A. Now he's slowly trending up wards and could be a player you bring in and leave a spot open for him to try and take to get some prime playing time.

Luke Kunin - Likely to be dealt at the deadline and hopefully not re-signed. PK, 50% on the dot and physical. Would potentially be a cost effective replacement to Evans.

Will Borgen - Physical, RHD could be a nice option to round the d/ bring in another vet/not vet.

Tanner Jeannot - Energy, physical forward, fights, pks, solidifies the team for toughness.

Trent Frederic - A big body who can play in the middle 6, brings toughness, physicality.

Nick Bjugstad - A big 6'6 centre would be perfect for the 4th line, but I think he likes being apart of the Seattle organization.

Mason Appleton - 6'2 winger enjoying another nice season in Winnipeg and could be a nice, cheap option for the 3rd line who might do alright moving up to the top 6 incase of injury.

Klim Kostin - 13th forward. Big body, physical and can fight while also being a Russian who could help Demidov should he need any. Assuming he isn't tendered an offer.

Mathieu Olivier - If he makes it to UFA status, you neeeeeed to get him. After talking to the top free agents he needs to be next and court him until he says yes. He's intense, physical, probably the heavyweight of the NHL and he can play a regular shift.

Brett Leason - 6'5 big, physical forward whos on pace to set a career high again. Could be a nice buy low, put him into the top 6 with some pp time and see what happens to him.

Andreas Englund - Potential number 7 d. He's a big dman who can handle himself.

Egor Sokolov - He's on pace to set a career high in points in the AHL. Might be a player the habs bring in and see if he can win a spot if he isnt tendered an offer.

Dylan McIlrath - A guy who could potentially be a number 6, but as the 7th d would be really nice for the habs and Laval. If he makes it down to Laval you now have him if you need to call someone up and could sort of replace Xhekaj should he get hurt. He's also a RHD, so he would fit a few needs for the team just not the need of a top 4 RHD.

Riley Tufte - A big body for the AHL who, if injuries strike with the big club give him a chance to prove what he can do at this point in his career.

Phillippe Myers - Big right handed dman that can be helpful in the A, but if need be the NHL, too.

Alex Nylander - Good AHL vet.

That's some of the players that could help the habs and the rocket.

Could also be wrong on the status of some, as the website I used had Mesar as a RFA already, which isnt true.

Once again, there will be players available that can add what players the habs have/had do already while adding size to the team.

Should be no reason to get smaller this summer and that's just for UFAs.

 

[The Great Weal]

Cozens has the Josh Anderson traits. Big, fast, physical, decent shot but has a lack of hockey IQ.

I will say that Cozens works his balls off and is way more skilled, but his lack of hockey IQ makes me question if he can be a center.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I wonder what the Caps would want for Lapierre, the Caps are in win-now mode and there isn't any room for him in their lineup. He was awesome last year in the AHL playoffs and his speed and playmaking could help Laine at 5 on 5.

With Dvorak gone after this year, the uncertainty around Evans' future and Dach's struggles, we could use some more C depth.

Absolutely nothing against the kid, but this is a spot where I would much prefer an established vet. I feel this is one ingredient we're truly lacking. We need a Monahan.

 

[sampollock]

If the Habs pick this draft 7-10 spot, do they keep the pick or package it up?
was mulling this over. WeThree?