HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Habs]

Dach and Matheson for Kakko and Schneider I would do.

I don't think we should move Dach until we get the team going in the right direction and all the kids are firing on all cylinders. It's not like he's awful the rest are thriving under MSL, they are all underperforming.

 

[Runner77]

Friedman speculating that Pittsburgh might be looking at Dach.

32 thoughts around the 22 minute mark

Pittsburgh can look all they want, I very much doubt he’d be in play for them or for anyone else. Hughes will want to see what he has on hand and that can’t be immediately gauged for a player coming back from major surgery.

 

[VT]

What about Klim Kostin? He loves to fight, play hard. And can help Demidov later.

 

[vokiel]

What about Klim Kostin? He loves to fight, play hard. And can help Demidov later.

Sure why not... Klim Kostin for Dvorak

 

[Habsrule]

I don’t like any of this Kirby Dach trade talk. He missed all of last year other than the first game. He has skill that no other current centre has on the team.

I think that next year is the year I expect big things from him. I would keep the Suzuki / Caufield / Slafkovsky line together and then have Dach centre Laine and Demidov. That should be two good scoring lines.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I don’t like any of this Kirby Dach trade talk. He missed all of last year other than the first game. He has skill that no other current centre has on the team.

I think that next year is the year I expect big things from him. I would keep the Suzuki / Caufield / Slafkovsky line together and then have Dach centre Laine and Demidov. That should be two good scoring lines.

Which skills? Suzuki is better in every aspect than Dach even physically. How many games we gotta wait? He's turning 24 in January. He's probably been training since this summer and he played preseason and 2 months already. We act like he forgot to play hockey. Markov and Price missed years due to injuries and we didn't have to wait 3 years worth of hockey, they were good when they returned. Feel like his injury at this point is just trying to cope the fact he's been flat as hell.

He's -18 while Newhook is at -11.
He averages close to 17min a game , plays on the first PP and has played with Suzuki , Caufield . He has 1 goal and 7 assists , that's brutal.

Heineman has 5 goals 2 assists with 10min 45sec average of icetime on the bottom 6 and it's literally his rookie season.

Even Armia or Anderson who are completely awful offensively bring more on the table with less icetime. At one point we gotta wonder that perhaps we misjudged his skill sets?

 

[Heffyhoof]

Which skills? Suzuki is better in every aspect than Dach even physically. How many games we gotta wait? He's turning 24 in January. He's probably been training since this summer and he played preseason and 2 months already. We act like he forgot to play hockey. Markov and Price missed years due to injuries and we didn't have to wait 3 years worth of hockey, they were good when they returned. Feel like his injury at this point is just trying to cope the fact he's been flat as hell.

He's -18 while Newhook is at -11.
He averages close to 17min a game , plays on the first PP and has played with Suzuki , Caufield . He has 1 goal and 7 assists , that's brutal.

Heineman has 5 goals 2 assists with 10min 45sec average of icetime on the bottom 6 and it's literally his rookie season.

Even Armia or Anderson who are completely awful offensively bring more on the table with less icetime. At one point we gotta wonder that perhaps we misjudged his skill sets?

If you want to be really mean, check when he was put with Slaf. Apart from the 3 point game, Slaf was pointless the entire time he played with Dach, even when they were with Suzuki. (The first game they were seriously put together Slaf got a point, but it was a 2nd assist on a Dvorak goal with Heineman as the other assist.) The first game Slaf doesn't have him as major linemate during his 'slump', 1g 1a.

Slaf was also the top +/- player for quite a while, until Dach was his linemate...

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

If you want to be really mean, check when he was put with Slaf. Apart from the 3 point game, Slaf was pointless the entire time he played with Dach, even when they were with Suzuki. (The first game they were seriously put together Slaf got a point, but it was a 2nd assist on a Dvorak goal with Heineman as the other assist.) The first game Slaf doesn't have him as major linemate during his 'slump', 1g 1a.

Slaf was also the top +/- player for quite a while, until Dach was his linemate...

Exactly , Suzki is somehow +1 while Dach his -18 , like at some points perhaps the problem is him. We are giving him literally every chances to produce and he does nothing , he doesnt even pass or go in the traffic in front of the net.

Hes like Drouin but bigger at this moment , far from what we saw last seasons

 

[Heffyhoof]

Exactly , Suzki is somehow +1 while Dach his -18 , like at some points perhaps the problem is him. We are giving him literally every chances to produce and he does nothing , he doesnt even pass or go in the traffic in front of the net.

Hes like Drouin but bigger at this moment , far from what we saw last seasons

I think there might seriously be a curse about 3rd overall picks and Montreal We are batting 0/4 at this point.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Which skills? Suzuki is better in every aspect than Dach even physically. How many games we gotta wait? He's turning 24 in January. He's probably been training since this summer and he played preseason and 2 months already. We act like he forgot to play hockey. Markov and Price missed years due to injuries and we didn't have to wait 3 years worth of hockey, they were good when they returned. Feel like his injury at this point is just trying to cope the fact he's been flat as hell.

He's -18 while Newhook is at -11.
He averages close to 17min a game , plays on the first PP and has played with Suzuki , Caufield . He has 1 goal and 7 assists , that's brutal.

Heineman has 5 goals 2 assists with 10min 45sec average of icetime on the bottom 6 and it's literally his rookie season.

Even Armia or Anderson who are completely awful offensively bring more on the table with less icetime. At one point we gotta wonder that perhaps we misjudged his skill sets?

The problem is that Dach has had more major injuries than he’s had good seasons in the NHL. He’s got a wrist that was more or less destroyed, and now a knee that’s been completely rebuilt. The wrist injury is why you never really see him shoot the puck and why Chicago moved him in the first place. The knee injury is devastating and takes time to heal - will it heal enough to allow him to be a NHL Player? I don’t know, but it doesn’t look great right now.

You can’t compare him to Markov and Price in that regard, their injuries never came during their major formative years. Their injuries were after they had established themselves as legitimate superstars. Dach we only see glimpses of the size and the talent and expect him to put everything together, but with a rebuilt wrist and knee, I’m not sure we should have any expectations at this point.

We aren’t at Christmas yet. Perhaps things will change for the better as he continues to get more ice time and work through the recovery process. I don’t think Habs management will cut bait on him this year, but he will need to severely change his trajectory if he wants to keep wearing a Montreal Canadians sweater.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I think there might seriously be a curse about 3rd overall picks and Montreal We are batting 0/4 at this point.

Yeah , could be one of those habs curse ngl lol

The problem is that Dach has had more major injuries than he’s had good seasons in the NHL. He’s got a wrist that was more or less destroyed, and now a knee that’s been completely rebuilt. The wrist injury is why you never really see him shoot the puck and why Chicago moved him in the first place. The knee injury is devastating and takes time to heal - will it heal enough to allow him to be a NHL Player? I don’t know, but it doesn’t look great right now.

You can’t compare him to Markov and Price in that regard, their injuries never came during their major formative years. Their injuries were after they had established themselves as legitimate superstars. Dach we only see glimpses of the size and the talent and expect him to put everything together, but with a rebuilt wrist and knee, I’m not sure we should have any expectations at this point.

We aren’t at Christmas yet. Perhaps things will change for the better as he continues to get more ice time and work through the recovery process. I don’t think Habs management will cut bait on him this year, but he will need to severely change his trajectory if he wants to keep wearing a Montreal Canadians sweater.

I mean does having a wrist injury , makes you make the weirdest play or the worst pass attempts? I mean at one point you can say he was injured , Pacioretty was half dead on the ice once and still cameback strong. His Wrist injury does not make him do stupid decisions. I don't mind giving him more chance but if we are to a point we can trade him for something better with added assets you do it

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Yeah , could be one of those habs curse ngl lol


I mean does having a wrist injury , makes you make the weirdest play or the worst pass attempts? I mean at one point you can say he was injured , Pacioretty was half dead on the ice once and still cameback strong. His Wrist injury does not make him stupid decisions. I don't mind giving him more chance but if we are to a point we can trade him for something better with added assets you do it

I never accused him of being intelligent, and I think you’re right about most of what you’re writing.

Honestly, I suspect he was one of those kids that was bigger than others at an early age and consequently never developed better fundamentals or hockey sense - because he didn’t have to…

Not every player has the same mentality or toughness when it comes to injuries either. You’ve got a bulldog like Brendan Gallagher who would keep coming with half a leg and a missing ear, and you’ve got Jonathan Drouin that disappeared for a few years when he lost his smile.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I never accused him of being intelligent, and I think you’re right about most of what you’re writing.

Honestly, I suspect he was one of those kids that was bigger than others at an early age and consequently never developed better fundamentals or hockey sense - because he didn’t have to…

Not every player has the same mentality or toughness when it comes to injuries either. You’ve got a bulldog like Brendan Gallagher who would keep coming with half a leg and a missing ear, and you’ve got Jonathan Drouin that disappeared for a few years when he lost his smile.

100% agree with you on this , Gallagher also changed the way he's been playing. He has the common sense to use his strength at his advantage , Dach needs to do this. If not well he won't stay long after his 2 years bridge contract

 

[OneSharpMarble]

I don't think we should move Dach until we get the team going in the right direction and all the kids are firing on all cylinders. It's not like he's awful the rest are thriving under MSL, they are all underperforming.

The unwashed masses have given up on Dach and when Laine doesn't score 5 hattricks in his first 4 games he will be on the block as well. People around here love their whipping boy.

 

[HuGort]

i would not trade Dach for Pens 1st. Habs are trying to be competitive in the next year or two, A 1st next year won't help them with that and they already have a plethora of picks and one of the deepest farms in the NHL. They need help now that they can add to their core this year or within the next 2 years.

You kidding right? Pens going to draft high. We have up a high pick in the draft for Dach. Chance to correct mistake

Dach is a piece of glass, can't win a faceoff and can't play defense.

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

My only concern with Dach outside of his first year with the Habs where he once got injured again but was setting career numbers. Is the effort and decision making. Me personally I’m tired of the Habs having players whose efforts are questioned. It’s often times happens. Like just have players who play and at the end of each game it’s not questioned. Blue collar guys. I know Hughes took a shot on his size and potential.

My only issue was leading up to the trade on Chicago’s side. Their fans brought up often work ethic. Not using his size, playing soft, making bad plays, bad at center, better suited for the wings. His stats didn’t lie either he left more to be desired and seems to be a 3rd line guy. The Habs and well us fans are treating him as top 6, 60pt player based on his draft position(which is not wrong to want) which I don’t think we are going to get.

I get he was off for a full year. He has had 22 regular season games and preseason and still is struggling mightly. For me I know some don’t like the +\- stat as it’s a combination of who is on the ice but -18 is very telling even with the entire team trying to get out of a funk, that number means he is close to being negative also each game and accounting for a goal against each game.

I’m fine him continuing to stay as well if he can right the ship, he is going on 24 years old. He’s never been great at center so I don’t think we are going to get an elite center.

I have seen some comments this is a figuring out year due to his injuries and expect him next year to thrive. That’s the worst case scenario for the Habs. He will be in his last year though on RFA he will be looking to cash in and bringing him to UFA. I’d like us not to become a sucker of a contract year cash in and left with returning back the original player after the ink dries just my 2 cents.

 

[Sterling Archer]

You kidding right? Pens going to draft high. We have up a high pick in the draft for Dach. Chance to correct mistake

Dach is a piece of glass, can't win a faceoff and can't play defense.

You should keep reading the thread rather than commenting on the 1st post in it.

 

[vokiel]

Just noticed Lauzon in Nashville is second in the league for hits...

To MTL: Yakov Trenin [email protected] left
To MIN: Christian Dvorak UFA

 

[durojean]

Matheson + Mesar + 2nd for Jiricek ?

Matheson + Roy for Jiricek

Mailloux + Roy ?

 

[durojean]

They won't get any of that anywhere. They wouldn't even get Beck or Kapanen. I think a lot of folks are completely overrating Jiricek by a long shot.

I’d consider Matheson. You trade left that will need to be trader because of bigger salary required for Young right d that could fit with the core.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You kidding right? Pens going to draft high. We have up a high pick in the draft for Dach. Chance to correct mistake

Dach is a piece of glass, can't win a faceoff and can't play defense.

Well Monahan was a piece of glass and he is going on a season and a half without a injury. I would trade Dach for Pittsburgh's 1st but only if it is unprotected.

 

[vokiel]

I’d consider Matheson. You trade left that will need to be trader because of bigger salary required for Young right d that could fit with the core.

You're overrating Jiricek. He isn't NHL ready and definitely not going to be a core piece.

He's most likely not going to be a core piece anywhere for a while.

 

[durojean]

Dach needs to be put on the fourth line until his legs start moving again. He also needs to play in the Same position always. He needs stability.

20 games is short to come back from that kind of injuries especially when it’s at a young age.

I would not trade him now because it’s value is probably at it’s lowest.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Dach needs to be put on the fourth line until his legs start moving again. He also needs to play in the Same position always. He needs stability.

20 games is short to come back from that kind of injuries especially when it’s at a young age.

I would not trade him now because it’s value is probably at it’s lowest.

Agree. I can see it taking into Xmas for him to get his legs back and back into game shape.

Agreed


Don't think it was obvious... Malkin + 1st is different than Malkin + protected 1st.

Hence my question of whether or not you would say no to Dach for a 1st, which seemed obviously quite silly but given the trade premise, left room for clarification.

I could see Malkin being open to Montreal... And boy would it be something to slot Demidov on his wing. Personally, I'd probably do Dach for Malkin straight up if that were the cost. It's a gamble and at his age, injury could turn it into a complete waste... But precisely because of our solid prospect depth and draft capital, I'd pull the trigger. Laine/Malkin as the vets with Slaf, Nick, CC & Demidov would be a pretty nice top 6 next year. Spend some $ or draft capital to bolster that 3rd line (Bennett?) to upgrade on Dvorak and our fwd group would be set both short and longer term

I should've articulated the 1st was protected. In today's NHL, I haven't seen an unprotected 1st move unless it was a Dach, Romanov type deal to move other picks and prospects.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

Just noticed Lauzon in Nashville is second in the league for hits...

To MTL: Yakov Trenin [email protected] left
To MIN: Christian Dvorak UFA

lol Minnesota isn't trading Trenon who the signed this year and are 2nd in the league for a nobody player they have bunch of