HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[Habs 4 Life]

If it’s picks, Montreal can beat most any team. Add a prospect or two and they’d have the assets, just a question of if they want to use them in Jiricek. Remember that they’d have intel on him from Pascal Vincent.

Yup, like they did with Laine!!

 

[HuGort]

David Amber on Futa show today, said Hughes told him he is going to be aggressive next 6 months or so. Canadiens looking to move draft picks for established stars.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If Columbus does indeed need a goalie, I wonder if the Habs do trade for Jiricek, you see Fowler, or Dobes go the other way.

That's if they need a goalie in the system.

 

[Habs]

David Amber on Futa show today, said Hughes told him he is going to be aggressive next 6 months or so. Canadiens looking to move draft picks for established stars.

better not be top draft picks, that shit rarely works out. Imagine missing out on Portone because the Pens offered Crosby. Established stars? I mean c'mon , who is moving them and that money anyways? They consider Kreider a star?

 

[Miller Time]

My reservation about the Jiricek pick:

1. He's already struggling, which is okay in and of itself. However:
2. When you actually look at the history of each draft, the odds of the entire top 10 selection being impact players aren't really that high. Yes, better odds than outside the top 10, but not all in the top are going to hit. And basically, we want Jiricek because of his draft pedigree more than anything else. But a 6th overall pick struggling in their D+3 year is still a gamble when you consider the odds of hitting.
3. Given point #3, Jiricek is as much a project in my mind as Dach, Barron, Newhook, Slaf, and Reinbacher are. And we are already super impatient with these folks. People already willing to give up on Reinbacher and he hasn't even played an nhl game yet. Hell some people want to dump him in his D+1.

I'm not sure I take the risk unless it is really sell low like Barron + 2nd for Jiricek.

Agreed.

And if we aren't in the mix, it stands to reason that KH leveraged Vincent' feedback to arrive at the conclusion that he isn't worth the gamble.

That we could use additional RD help is a given, we've got the open avenue for him to compete for an NHL spot right away, and we have the pick/prospect capital few teams could match...

 

[le_sean]

My reservation about the Jiricek pick:

1. He's already struggling, which is okay in and of itself. However:
2. When you actually look at the history of each draft, the odds of the entire top 10 selection being impact players aren't really that high. Yes, better odds than outside the top 10, but not all in the top are going to hit. And basically, we want Jiricek because of his draft pedigree more than anything else. But a 6th overall pick struggling in their D+3 year is still a gamble when you consider the odds of hitting.
3. Given point #3, Jiricek is as much a project in my mind as Dach, Barron, Newhook, Slaf, and Reinbacher are. And we are already super impatient with these folks. People already willing to give up on Reinbacher and he hasn't even played an nhl game yet. Hell some people want to dump him in his D+1.

I'm not sure I take the risk unless it is really sell low like Barron + 2nd for Jiricek.

You have to stop lumping Newhook in as some type of long term project. He’s soon 24 and in his 4th year. He is what he is and that’s just a middling player.

better not be top draft picks, that shit rarely works out. Imagine missing out on Portone because the Pens offered Crosby. Established stars? I mean c'mon , who is moving them and that money anyways? They consider Kreider a star?

Got plenty of picks. Two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds, that’s without trading Savard, Armia and Dvorak who are all surely leaving.

 

[salbutera]

If it’s picks, Montreal can beat most any team. Add a prospect or two and they’d have the assets, just a question of if they want to use them in Jiricek. Remember that they’d have intel on him from Pascal Vincent.

Preds have 3 1st rounders…

 

[sampollock]

David Amber on Futa show today, said Hughes told him he is going to be aggressive next 6 months or so. Canadiens looking to move draft picks for established stars.

love it
time is now KH let's get two solid lines up frt

 

[salbutera]

better not be top draft picks, that shit rarely works out. Imagine missing out on Portone because the Pens offered Crosby. Established stars? I mean c'mon , who is moving them and that money anyways? They consider Kreider a star?

Habs will be with 4-5 pts of wildcard in 1-weeks time …. “In da mix”

 

[Andy]

You have to stop lumping Newhook in as some type of long term project. He’s soon 24 and in his 4th year. He is what he is and that’s just a middling player.

He's still 23 (turns 24 in Mid January) and has shown good progression until this start of season. And he looks bad at the same time as everyone else does. Just last season he paced 22 goals and 50 points as a 22/23 year old.

Verhaeghe was a late bloomer. Dylan strome put up 17 points in 40 games with the Blackhawks at 23. Chandler Stephenson was a middle 6 player until 25 years old.

He's clearly a project. There is stil time.

 

[Miller Time]

You have to stop lumping Newhook in as some type of long term project. He’s soon 24 and in his 4th year. He is what he is and that’s just a middling player.

Bennett, Sam
Vearhage, Carter
Tippett, Owen
Norris, Josh
Vilardi, Gabe

And on and on...

Not at all uncommon for talented forwards to take big steps forward in their mid 20's.

KH signed Newhook to the perfect extension, he's solid value as a roster player at his current cap hit, and we get to see if he can put it together or not before he hits UFA status.

 

[le_sean]

Bennett, Sam
Vearhage, Carter
Tippett, Owen
Norris, Josh
Vilardi, Gabe

And on and on...

Not at all uncommon for talented forwards to take big steps forward in their mid 20's.

KH signed Newhook to the perfect extension, he's solid value as a roster player at his current cap hit, and we get to see if he can put it together or not before he hits UFA status.

Yes let’s hope that Newhook is magically in that 5% of players that are late bloomers

He’s just average, it’s better to accept it now

He's still 23 (turns 24 in Mid January) and has shown good progression until this start of season. And he looks bad at the same time as everyone else does. Just last season he paced 22 goals and 50 points as a 22/23 year old.

Verhaeghe was a late bloomer. Dylan strome put up 17 points in 40 games with the Blackhawks at 23. Chandler Stephenson was a middle 6 player until 25 years old.

He's clearly a project. There is stil time.

Dylan Strome had 51 points in 58 games at the age of 21. He was also a 3rd overall pick. They are nothing alike

 

[Miller Time]

Yes let’s hope that Newhook is magically in that 5% of players that are late bloomers

He’s just average, it’s better to accept it now

Statistically speaking, odds of Demidov as a 5OA pick becoming a star player are also quite low. Does your statistically informed pessimistic view point apply to all players, or just the ones you don't like?

Also, statistically speaking, Newhook is far above average for 23 year old NHL forwards. Might want to revisit your wording or at least properly contextualize it.

Newhook remains top 10 forward of his draft class in terms of production. Go look up the 10OA fwds of each draft class before his & perhaps you'll find a more grounded assessment

 

[le_sean]

Statistically speaking, odds of Demidov as a 5OA pick becoming a star player are also quite low. Does your statistically informed pessimistic view point apply to all players, or just the ones you don't like?

Also, statistically speaking, Newhook is far above average for 23 year old NHL forwards. Might want to revisit your wording or at least properly contextualize it.

Newhook remains top 10 forward of his draft class in terms of production. Go look up the 10OA fwds of each draft class before his & perhaps you'll find a more grounded assessment

Why do I care how he compares to the rest of his draft class? The fact remains he’s a low impact player. What the rest of his draft class does it irrelevant. Talk about a non-argument.

Demidov is also irrelevant to the discussion. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to deflect.

4 points in 20 games is far above average? Are we in 1995? It’s the trap all over again.

 

[sampollock]

lets all dont go crazy on ufa talk now.
every year that happens and 80% of the really good names resign.

 

[Garry Valk]

Go get Jiricek. Struble, Barron and a 2nd.

 

[Miller Time]

Why do I care how he compares to the rest of his draft class?

Because context matters...

The fact remains he’s a low impact player. What the rest of his draft class does it irrelevant. Talk about a non-argument.

Yes, and, relative to players his age to have played in the NHL, he's above average in NHL impact.

Context.

Non argument indeed.

Demidov is also irrelevant to the discussion. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to deflect.

Nope. Highlighting how poor your argument stands if the same rationale is applied elsewhere

4 points in 20 games is far above average? Are we in 1995? It’s the trap all over again.

Yes, we agree that for a 20 game sample, his point production has been average.

For 2019 drafted players, 54 of which have played NHL games this year
4th in goals
31st in points

Context. Matters.

 

[admiralcadillac]

If Columbus does indeed need a goalie, I wonder if the Habs do trade for Jiricek, you see Fowler, or Dobes go the other way.

That's if they need a goalie in the system.

You don’t trade Fowler

 

[The Last Red]

If Columbus does indeed need a goalie, I wonder if the Habs do trade for Jiricek, you see Fowler, or Dobes go the other way.

That's if they need a goalie in the system.

We’re all entitled to our opinions but Fowler for Jiricek, are you nuts? No offense, of course.

 

[le_sean]

Because context matters...


Yes, and, relative to players his age to have played in the NHL, he's above average in NHL impact.

Context.

Non argument indeed.


Nope. Highlighting how poor your argument stands if the same rationale is applied elsewhere



Yes, we agree that for a 20 game sample, his point production has been average.

For 2019 drafted players, 54 of which have played NHL games this year
4th in goals
31st in points

Context. Matters.

Exactly, you have nothing. If we drafted him, maybe you’d have a point. We didn’t, the rest of his draft class is irrelevant. f***ing pointless

14th on the team in points despite Top 6 icetime behind the likes of 4th line rookie Emil Heineman, the worst veteran in the NHL in Christian Dvorak and tied with noted offensive dynamo David Savard. There’s your context.

He could double his point total tonight and he’d still just be on pace for only a 31 point season

 

[Habs]

Got plenty of picks. Two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds, that’s without trading Savard, Armia and Dvorak who are all surely leaving.

well I don't care for Kent's trade history thus far, he should just take a chill pill and draft a stud

 

[Habs7631]

If it’s true that they lowered their standards to picks then no excuses not to get it done. We have all the picks+B+C prospects in the world, get Jiricek.

 

[overlords]

You don’t trade Fowler

My brain auto interpreted this as 'ya don't trade Fowlah'

 

[OnTheRun]

I actually disagree.

if he is to trade for a young d man, it is. simply because he think this player will be an asset to build around. irrespective if he bring immediate result.

I think management has been very clear that this is still a tanking years and they don't care by a quick fix . so it is only the fans expectations that are disappointed.

I think it would be more accurate to say if we engage in trade involving good assets we are done picking up prospects trending in the wrong direction in hope to reverse the trend. We'll go for guys with a more predictable trajectory.

 

[Runner77]

We need a second-line center, just a decent one, not top 10 in that category by any means. Some of you roster wizards help an old guy out here. We have the assets and picks to complete it, so let's make it happen.

I am tired of watching Dvorak, Evans, and the AHL guy trying to play roles above their talent level. We need some help because wins are important for the development of our young players.

As a stopgap? I’m seeing more and more comments suggesting that Suzuki profiles better as a 2C.