HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season

[WeThreeKings]

Max Jones on waivers, wouldn't be surprised if they claimed him. Could be worth a swing at providing speed and physicality to the bottom 6.

 

[yianik]

How do you see Zegras I'm the future here? Centering Caufield and Dach? Suzuki with Slaf and Demidov.

Fair question and I don't know. It's been an unsettling start to the year as Dach, Newhook have started slowly and Laine was injured. Dach has lots of rust so maybe he just needs time, Newhook thought would be better.

I'm just thinking if for example Verbeek was interested in a big meat and potatoes type player, could Anderson be somebody of interest ( since he doesn't look to be in our long term plans ). Package him plus for a discounted Zegras.

If Zegras is cheap we just let him fight it out for a spot in the top 6. At this point all I think we can count on is Suzuki, Slaf , Caufield and Demidov for the top 6. Hopefully Dach. Maybe Laine. Ideally it would be a skilled physical 2 way guy with some scoring to round it out.

I guess if Hughes thinks Zegras is a good player, and you can get him at a bargain, why don't you get him ? Worst case you Monahan him and get a better asset than the price paid. Now if Hughes thinks he is just a weak player with a couple tricks then it's a no.

I remember when Devon Toews could have been had and the Avs picked him up. I thought damn we needed a PMD and this guy was gotten for 2 2nds and we had 2 better 2nds. He could have been ours and would have complimented that giant redwood D we had. I mean we had a full D, but I thought we could have grabbed a good player cheap, and we didn't. So that's how I wonder about Zegras

 

[durojean]

Newhook is still fairly young + he’s been moved from center to wing in alternance since the 1st game.

Patience is key with him also. He’s not a finished product.

I do feel that he needs to be downgraded and put to center. I don’t like the fact that he is at wing of the third line.

 

[Miller Time]

If a hit to the head is always a game, then you might as well take hitting out.

Meh, not at all.

Game is fast and you can't always ensure you're not going to make head contact.

No, you can't assure it... You just have to exercise caution and when you cross the line, deal with the repercussions.

No different than in any contact sport with rules governing allowable contact.

And before someone goes "WeLl DoNt TaRgEt ThE hEaD oR dOnT hIt"

As you're going in for a hit the other player is still in motion and could result in that split second continuation of a clean hit tot a hit to the head.

I think they'll just call the hit to the head more often, which is fair and needed.

It's just a question of what the penalty is, and how well it's enforced.

The players will adapt, and the game will stay plenty physical.

 

[sampollock]

I bet Newhook is in a deal IF KH makes one. just a gut feeling

 

[Mrb1p]

That's kind of vague tho, because you are always "accumulating" whether you are competing or not. It's how you manage your assets that change when you're rebuilding versus competing. And it's even more murkier when dealing with Bergevin tenure, the man who spent a freaking decade riding the fence without picking a lane and ironically traded away his first 1st round pick (for Dvo of all people) in a year his team was fated to finish dead last in the league.

All the yield from the 2017 and 2018 drafts are gone now, and the only roster player we still carry from the 2018 roster is Gally (and that ain't a good thing)

It is, but its a necessary distinction. The bolded is exactly my point. Call it whatever you want, refuse to call it a "rebuild" but the point is that acting like it was a scorched earth rebuild is just wrong, it wasn't. We had the core in place when they came in. With that in sense, you cannot accept 5+ years of losing while excusing them because they've only been here for X years. I raised the example of Shero. Of course, he turned it around really quick because of Sid and Malkin, but what if it failed for 5+ years ? Do you say "Oh the rebuild started when Shero came in in 2006" ? It makes no sense.

 

[OnTheRun]

It is, but its a necessary distinction. The bolded is exactly my point. Call it whatever you want, refuse to call it a "rebuild" but the point is that acting like it was a scorched earth rebuild is just wrong, it wasn't. We had the core in place when they came in. With that in sense, you cannot accept 5+ years of losing while excusing them because they've only been here for X years. I raised the example of Shero. Of course, he turned it around really quick because of Sid and Malkin, but what if it failed for 5+ years ? Do you say "Oh the rebuild started when Shero came in in 2006" ? It makes no sense.

It's pretty simple.

Rebuilding is a conscious decision.
Free falling in the standing because Price is injured isn't.

 

[Mrb1p]

It's pretty simple.

Rebuilding is a conscious decision.
Free falling in the standing because Price is injured isn't.

Thats fine, I don't disagree. I'm talking about fan/Owner patience. A lot of times this year I've been told "It's only been two/three years", thats the point. Sure, theyve been here two, three years, but they came in to something in place, that doesn't give them free reign.

If they wanted free reign, they needed to start from scratch, IE, trade CC, NS, etc.

 

[OnTheRun]

Thats fine, I don't disagree. I'm talking about fan/Owner patience. A lot of times this year I've been told "It's only been two/three years", thats the point. Sure, theyve been here two, three years, but they came in to something in place, that doesn't give them free reign.

If they wanted free reign, they needed to start from scratch, IE, trade CC, NS, etc.

People feeling aside, for how long previous managements sucked isn't the problem of current management. They got mandated to do a rebuild and that's what they are doing. IT IS unfortunate that the village idiot came before them, but that's not on them.

 

[Miller Time]

It's pretty simple.

Rebuilding is a conscious decision.
Free falling in the standing because Price is injured isn't.

People feeling aside, for how long previous managements sucked isn't the problem of current management. They got mandated to do a rebuild and that's what they are doing. IT IS unfortunate that the village idiot came before them, but that's not on them.

So simple.
So obvious.

Yet for some fans, just too difficult to understand...

Impatience is a heck of a drug I guess

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Thats fine, I don't disagree. I'm talking about fan/Owner patience. A lot of times this year I've been told "It's only been two/three years", thats the point. Sure, theyve been here two, three years, but they came in to something in place, that doesn't give them free reign.

If they wanted free reign, they needed to start from scratch, IE, trade CC, NS, etc.

Please. There was very little in place when HuGo arrived. Caufield and Suzuki.

 

[HuGort]

Fair question and I don't know. It's been an unsettling start to the year as Dach, Newhook have started slowly and Laine was injured. Dach has lots of rust so maybe he just needs time, Newhook thought would be better.

I'm just thinking if for example Verbeek was interested in a big meat and potatoes type player, could Anderson be somebody of interest ( since he doesn't look to be in our long term plans ). Package him plus for a discounted Zegras.

If Zegras is cheap we just let him fight it out for a spot in the top 6. At this point all I think we can count on is Suzuki, Slaf , Caufield and Demidov for the top 6. Hopefully Dach. Maybe Laine. Ideally it would be a skilled physical 2 way guy with some scoring to round it out.

I guess if Hughes thinks Zegras is a good player, and you can get him at a bargain, why don't you get him ? Worst case you Monahan him and get a better asset than the price paid. Now if Hughes thinks he is just a weak player with a couple tricks then it's a no.

I remember when Devon Toews could have been had and the Avs picked him up. I thought damn we needed a PMD and this guy was gotten for 2 2nds and we had 2 better 2nds. He could have been ours and would have complimented that giant redwood D we had. I mean we had a full D, but I thought we could have grabbed a good player cheap, and we didn't. So that's how I wonder about Zegras

Zegras and Caufield were great for USA development team a few years back. They also best friends why I think Hughes had hard-on for Zegras. But you rarely can go back in time. I think it will be a mistake. What once was isn't the same when you go back. Zegras is a good playmaker and Caufield a great sniper. But I see Zegras similar to Dach. Weak on faceoffs and not good defensive. In NHL you have to play in all three zones. It's different than junior.

On defense, yes he should have added some veterans. On right side. Even a UFA like a Dumba last summer. Around 4 million, a veteran with little snarl. Then flip him in couple years for high pick. When Reinbacher and Mailloux are ready.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Why claim Max Jones when you could just call up Davidson or Tuch if you’re looking for physicality?

Max Jones is about as intellectually challenged of a hockey player as I’ve ever seen play, and that in itself is impressive, in a non positive way.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Why claim Max Jones when you could just call up Davidson or Tuch if you’re looking for physicality?

Max Jones is about as intellectually challenged of a hockey player as I’ve ever seen play, and that in itself is impressive, in a non positive way.

at this point I think we should let the kids in Laval , adding more kids into the lineup seems like a bad idea for now. Laval is doing great no need to call up

 

[ReHabs]

Thats fine, I don't disagree. I'm talking about fan/Owner patience. A lot of times this year I've been told "It's only been two/three years", thats the point. Sure, theyve been here two, three years, but they came in to something in place, that doesn't give them free reign.

If they wanted free rein, they needed to start from scratch, IE, trade CC, NS, etc.

Free reign? What?

The rebuild is nearly 3 years old. That’s it.

Just drop this argument and move on man.

 

[Mrb1p]

Free reign? What?

The rebuild is nearly 3 years old. That’s it.

Just drop this argument and move on man.

Sure I agree. It's inconsequential though.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Why claim Max Jones when you could just call up Davidson or Tuch if you’re looking for physicality?

Max Jones is about as intellectually challenged of a hockey player as I’ve ever seen play, and that in itself is impressive, in a non positive way.

Because you can use him as a 13th forward and sit him here and there while you wouldn't want to do that with Tuch and Davidson.

Also, the culture around this team likely isn't good right now and I wouldn't want too many Laval players exposed to that.

 

[junyab]

Thats fine, I don't disagree. I'm talking about fan/Owner patience. A lot of times this year I've been told "It's only been two/three years", thats the point. Sure, theyve been here two, three years, but they came in to something in place, that doesn't give them free reign.

If they wanted free reign, they needed to start from scratch, IE, trade CC, NS, etc.

Something in place would refer to something already in the works. Bargainbin had no plan. If I'm rebuilding a car and keep the frame, its not a rebuild? It was a rebuild already in the process? No, a rebuild starts when the owner begins to strip down the parts need replacing and keeping what they can. An NHL rebuild doesn't need to move absolutely everyone in the organization. You assess you're roster and prospect pipeline and decide who does and who doesn't fit with the new direction of the club. Cole and Suzuki were still young enough to last through the rebuild window and would still be in their prime when the rebuild is over and transition to contending.

 

[sampollock]

The Canadiens have four players set to become unrestricted free agents, with David Savard leading the way and three forwards in Christian Dvorak, Jake Evans and Joel Armia. They're all out of contract and will attract interest on the trade market.

I think David Savard and Jake Evans will be at the top of many teams' lists. I wouldn't be surprised if some teams want to acquire them later this season, but not necessarily now." - David Pagnotta

 

[Sterling Archer]

The Canadiens have four players set to become unrestricted free agents, with David Savard leading the way and three forwards in Christian Dvorak, Jake Evans and Joel Armia. They're all out of contract and will attract interest on the trade market.

I think David Savard and Jake Evans will be at the top of many teams' lists. I wouldn't be surprised if some teams want to acquire them later this season, but not necessarily now." - David Pagnotta

I'd keep Evans and dump the rest.

 

[Hannibal]

The Canadiens have four players set to become unrestricted free agents, with David Savard leading the way and three forwards in Christian Dvorak, Jake Evans and Joel Armia. They're all out of contract and will attract interest on the trade market.

I think David Savard and Jake Evans will be at the top of many teams' lists. I wouldn't be surprised if some teams want to acquire them later this season, but not necessarily now." - David Pagnotta

Take them all.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The Canadiens have four players set to become unrestricted free agents, with David Savard leading the way and three forwards in Christian Dvorak, Jake Evans and Joel Armia. They're all out of contract and will attract interest on the trade market.

I think David Savard and Jake Evans will be at the top of many teams' lists. I wouldn't be surprised if some teams want to acquire them later this season, but not necessarily now." - David Pagnotta

Armia will be somewhat popular.

He's got nice hands, big boi, can shoot and he's pretty solid defensively

Not that he will get a big return, but he should get a higher pick, like a 3rd+, or maybe a 2nd.

One player I'd target at the trade deadline, if you can find one, as I'm not that familiar with the veteran rule in the AHL, but find a player who doesn't count as a vet, but isn't worth much to the team he's currently with and get him as a throw in to make Laval even deeper then depending on if there's players hurt/players called up to the NHL.

If Laval is fine healthy wise, then take that extra 4th and trade it for a younger player who's struggling and see what happens next year

 

[junyab]

Evans is the new Lars Eller.

 

[Adriatic]

I just wanna see them add a solid veteran or two.

 

[sampollock]

I just wanna see them add a solid veteran or two.

TOUGHER ones though.
grit and leadership by vets are needed.