HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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woah , that's kinda messed up , i dont fumble my bets like Barron fumble the puck
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #88: 2024-25 Season
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I wouldn't bet on this. Quite some interesting RD in the next draft, plus him showing nothing means we could move sideways and get someone less injury prone.
He doesn't have any pluses either. The GM can always change his mind and target some other RD.
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Is it a question of IQ or development?
The posts here about his difficulty in processing the game, raise doubts. The quoted article seems to point to similar concerns in breaking down a sequence:
« Jiricek needed to be more assertive at the outset of this play and more aggressive identifying how the play was developing in his zone. He essentially checked nobody in this sequence. »
And another:
« The following sequence speaks volumes about the current state of Jiricek’s game and why the Jackets' coaching staff has little trust in his defensive awareness at the NHL level right now.
Instead of keeping things simple and the play in front of him, Jiricek runs out of place to chase the play into the neutral zone. He’s entirely out of position as the puck ends up in the back of the Blue Jackets net. »
Maybe the Habs can hedge their risk with whatever intel they can gather from Pascal Vincent. However, since many teams would be bidding, I’m expecting the price to be prohibitive and am not sure Hughes is prepared to pay it, unless it involves dealing redundant assets.
My impression was more that he had a coachability issue.
For example, Mailloux clearly has a big ? over his IQ, but he seems to be coachable.
I don’t think we’ll make the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean it won’t be a busy trading deadline.
Here are some players I think will be traded and their trade value.
David Savard
2nd and 3rd round picks. Depending on the team, he’s valuable for a playoff team. He’s going to get the same value as Chris Tanev last year.
Christian Dvorak
I don’t think he’s worth much on the market base on his cap hit. Maybe if we retain 50%, we might get a second round pick out of a team looking for a 3rd/4th line center. We gave up a 1st and 2nd for Dvorak in the Kotkaniemi offer sheet.
Jake Evans
I think we’ll try to resign him. I don’t see a 3rd/4th liner worth anything more than a 2nd round pick and prospect. Evans has more value than Dvorak because his cap hit is 1/3 of Dvorak. Also he’s better than Dvorak. I don’t know if we want any more prospects but bringing him back to teach Owen Beck is more valuable than trading him.
Josh Anderson
I don’t think any team will touch his cap hit.
Brendan Gallagher
His cap hit is too high but he’s off to a great start. If LA somehow is interested because of Bergevin’s influence on Blake, then we might see a prospect and a pick in return.
Here are some players I think will be traded and their trade value.
David Savard
2nd and 3rd round picks. Depending on the team, he’s valuable for a playoff team. He’s going to get the same value as Chris Tanev last year.
Christian Dvorak
I don’t think he’s worth much on the market base on his cap hit. Maybe if we retain 50%, we might get a second round pick out of a team looking for a 3rd/4th line center. We gave up a 1st and 2nd for Dvorak in the Kotkaniemi offer sheet.
Jake Evans
I think we’ll try to resign him. I don’t see a 3rd/4th liner worth anything more than a 2nd round pick and prospect. Evans has more value than Dvorak because his cap hit is 1/3 of Dvorak. Also he’s better than Dvorak. I don’t know if we want any more prospects but bringing him back to teach Owen Beck is more valuable than trading him.
Josh Anderson
I don’t think any team will touch his cap hit.
Brendan Gallagher
His cap hit is too high but he’s off to a great start. If LA somehow is interested because of Bergevin’s influence on Blake, then we might see a prospect and a pick in return.
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no matter what people think of dach, I just dont see any reason to trade him for zegras
i think height is very relevant when it comes to this team for sure.
HabsWhiteKnightLOL
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Oh I don't think we should trade him for Zegras at all , im actually against it but im just saying he has not have been physical at all for us.
Height doesn't equal physical players. Habs have several pretty tall players who aren't particularly physical.
I would except that it would give the Habs 2 6 foot centres on the scoring lines.
What do you mean interesting RDs?
The soonest I see right now are in the 2nd half of the first round (and only 3 or 4 of them).
That is a poor top RD year without hindsight definitely under the last few years.
There are no Reinbacher level RD in this draft without hindsight.
HuGort
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Veteran right shot D like Savard usually go for overvalue at deadline.
Gallagher I am not moving. He is a warrior and on pace for 35 goals.
Anderson playing good just overpaid. I would retain half for a first. At 2.75m he has value.
Dvorak maybe a 3rd. Many teams want depth at center and he is good at faceoffs.
Matheson for a first and throw in. Take value now. He's not long term answer here.
Primeau a 7th. Phill maybe? What we gave up for him. Like to give Hughes a look. He's out playing Dobes.
Gallagher I am not moving. He is a warrior and on pace for 35 goals.
Anderson playing good just overpaid. I would retain half for a first. At 2.75m he has value.
Dvorak maybe a 3rd. Many teams want depth at center and he is good at faceoffs.
Matheson for a first and throw in. Take value now. He's not long term answer here.
Primeau a 7th. Phill maybe? What we gave up for him. Like to give Hughes a look. He's out playing Dobes.
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- I'd be happy with a 2nd + for Savard. But some in the media that look into rumors for a living are speculating he'll get a 1st. Hopefully that shot blocking shift that went viral entices GM's.
- I think it's better to keep Evan's than trade him for a second. But I'd take a late 1st.
- Dvo has to pick up his numbers to get a decent return (2nd or better). I'd play him with Dach and two of Caufield, Laine, and Slaf on a second line, even if on the wing.
- Anderson has trade value at 50% retained. Maybe Gally now too. Though I think Gally needs a bigger sample size. If the opportunity arose to move them at 50% retained arose, I'd do it. I'd like to make room for Beck, Kapanen, Newhook, Roy, Heineman, and Hage in the bottom six plus others we acquire (Olivier?, Frederick?). Demidov will come next year and complete the top 6.
- will be nice to trade Savard and give Barron full time duties. Might as well see if he can learn on the job and get to another level.
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I'm ready to move Primeau or put him on waivers. But we could also call up Hughes and have Primeau back in the 3rd goalie chair.
If Primeau doesn't do well in his next 1 or 2 starts, I think Hughes will be called up.
Savard and Evans should fetch decent returns. Perhaps it could be a prospect/roster player instead if they can't fetch a 1st.
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Prices vary a ton based off of whether it's a sellers market or not so it's tough to predict.
Savard could potentially get a 1st, but a 2nd+ is probably more likely. That said there's also a chance we re-sign him even though many here would hate it.
Evans is probably looking at a 2nd, but again we might re-sign him.
Dvorak & Armia are late picks at best, and Gallagher & Anderson are still probably untradeable with their contracts even though both have had a good year so far.
Savard could potentially get a 1st, but a 2nd+ is probably more likely. That said there's also a chance we re-sign him even though many here would hate it.
Evans is probably looking at a 2nd, but again we might re-sign him.
Dvorak & Armia are late picks at best, and Gallagher & Anderson are still probably untradeable with their contracts even though both have had a good year so far.
There's 6'6" Mrtka
Glancing quickly at the lists: Hensley and Fiddler also. I really could not care less about Reinbacher's pedigree. If he's spending the majority of his development time in the IR, I could see a quick move to patch up what we're lacking and another dice cast with this draft.
Barron struggles from a lack of execution more than anything else.
Either by not making the simple play or by not winning more puck battles using his frame to relieve pressure...
The same switch Arber Xhekaj managed to turn on to move his game forward again.
We know that any GM who would trade off a very high underperforming draft pick within 2-3 years of a draft is high fiving the Grim Reaper and so pretty much no GM does it. Then it gets tricky as the prospects value has gone down. Trade or no ? From what I can see many fans think you trade to at least get something back. But GMs seem to wait longer.
So the player may become nothing and you get nothing. But then you also have situations like the Rangers and Laffy and Kaako. Both seemed like busts 2 years ago but now especially Laffy are looking good.
Now I know probably 40 percent of our posters will say I told you so about Laffy but oh shock that, a 1st OA underperforming and a Quebecois ? Lol. Would have said same about Daigle and PLD.
Personally I think the asset you get back is typically not worth moving a young guy. In my book you let competition dictate and when you can't protect him from waivers anymore then fine. Look at Xhekaj, people wanted him gone 2 weeks ago. Dach is a bum etc. May be so, but no reason to move him , see the year through and if he doesn't grab the 2C then we look for a 2C.
So the player may become nothing and you get nothing. But then you also have situations like the Rangers and Laffy and Kaako. Both seemed like busts 2 years ago but now especially Laffy are looking good.
Now I know probably 40 percent of our posters will say I told you so about Laffy but oh shock that, a 1st OA underperforming and a Quebecois ? Lol. Would have said same about Daigle and PLD.
Personally I think the asset you get back is typically not worth moving a young guy. In my book you let competition dictate and when you can't protect him from waivers anymore then fine. Look at Xhekaj, people wanted him gone 2 weeks ago. Dach is a bum etc. May be so, but no reason to move him , see the year through and if he doesn't grab the 2C then we look for a 2C.
The Gr8 Dane
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Rainman for Jiricek who says no? (I say no but I'm a homer)
Value must be similar/relatively high no? Maybe Jiricek has more.
That said Jiri is pretty physically mature for his age , not sure Reinbacher even has a single hair on his chin yet
Value must be similar/relatively high no? Maybe Jiricek has more.
That said Jiri is pretty physically mature for his age , not sure Reinbacher even has a single hair on his chin yet
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The club loves Reinbacher. They wouldn’t be inclined to trade him away just because of an ACL before he can even get started.
The Gr8 Dane
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Oh I know I'm just talking Value wise , obviously it doesn't make much sense for us
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