HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[skidcells]

As Bookman would say, the Habs need to be all over McGroarty like a pit bull on a poodle.
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Size and scoring is a need. This mgmt group has selected players with those attributes but that can also skate. McGroarty needs a lot and I mean a lot of work on his skating. I’d say we would be interested but not at the price of what Winnipeg will be asking considering the skating issues.

 

[Egresch]

An “elite goal scorer” for someone that hasn’t even scored more than 30 goals since 2017-18.

Some people call Caufield " elite goalscorer" yet he never scored 30 goals. Laine could be elite, just the probability is low nowadays.

 

[Tim Wallach]

Some people call Caufield " elite goalscorer" yet he never scored 30 goals. Laine could be elite, just the probability is low nowadays.

I keep seeing people post this premise and while it’s factually true, it’s also disingenuous. The guy had 26 in 46 when he was injured. Pretty sure we can acknowledge he would have had well over 30. At very least that statement needs an asterisk.

 

[yianik]

I doubt Philly’s happy about it.

For sure, but sounds self inflicted. Rumour was they told him they would do that and he expected it, and then they changed their minds and he wasn't okay with that. Have to keep your word.

 

[jellybeans]

Because Laine asked for a trade and Columbus needs to find a way to move him without having to add too much since his value is near zero now with all his injuries, cap hit and personal problems that made him enter the player-assistance program.

He can't be traded until he's cleared of the player-assistance program which I don't think will happen before the draft anyway.

The guy has mental issues and you want him in Montreal lol ok.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

For sure, but sounds self inflicted. Rumour was they told him they would do that and he expected it, and then they changed their minds and he wasn't okay with that. Have to keep your word.

If that's true, okay. But at the end of the day, I think other teams are looking at that and aren't happy with it. Moreover, why should a small number of games burn off a year? I suspect they'll get rid of this. We'll see.

 

[vokiel]

The guy has mental issues and you want him in Montreal lol ok.

f*** yeah! Mad House!

 

[le_sean]

Size and scoring is a need. This mgmt group has selected players with those attributes but that can also skate. McGroarty needs a lot and I mean a lot of work on his skating. I’d say we would be interested but not at the price of what Winnipeg will be asking considering the skating issues.

Who can skate though? Suzuki, Cole, Slaf, Dach, Roy aren’t exactly burners. So if they think the team is too slow, sure. But McGroarty seems to fit. He won’t be behind the play.

 

[skidcells]

Who can skate though? Suzuki, Cole, Slaf, Dach, Roy aren’t exactly burners. So if they think the team is too slow, sure. But McGroarty seems to fit. He won’t be behind the play.

Aside Slaf, none of these players were selected by current management. So my point is exactly that, they would be wary of trading for someone with a skating deficiency consider your current roster is average on that record as well.

Although Suzuki is not quick his skating (edge work) is very good. McGrorty’s edges need work. Just my opinion that McGrorty is not the type of player they would be agressive on but will inquire to see what the price is.

 

[Habs]

I want McGrorty just for that name on the jersey, that name is the tits.

 

[le_sean]

Aside Slaf, none of these players were selected by current management. So my point is exactly that, they would be wary of trading for someone with a skating deficiency consider your current roster is average on that record as well.

Although Suzuki is not quick his skating (edge work) is very good. McGrorty’s edges need work. Just my opinion that McGrorty is not the type of player they would be agressive on but will inquire to see what the price is.

Well Dach was selected by this management. I guess my point is that McGroarty would fit. He might not fit on the Oilers or Avs, but I think with the Habs he doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Egresch]

I keep seeing people post this premise and while it’s factually true, it’s also disingenuous. The guy had 26 in 46 when he was injured. Pretty sure we can acknowledge he would have had well over 30. At very least that statement needs an asterisk.

Sure, then Laine scored 26G in 56GP for Columbus in 21-22 season. He would have 30 in 82 games season*.

 

[Archijerej]

Basu suggested that Columbus trade the 4th overall and Laine to Montreal for 5th overall.

Thoughts?

What?

They'd actually pay someone to take Laine?

I don't believe it's true, but I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[SnapVirus]

Id offer much more than 26th ov for Laine.

He is big, an excellent complementary player that would fit like a glove our age window, needs and on the 2nd line. He would thrive in a hockey market. He has a good personality.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - X

Thats 3 huge player in the to6. If we can get Lindstrom/Demidov/Iginla/Sennecke thats another 6´0+ forward.

 

[jaffy27]

Some people call Caufield " elite goalscorer" yet he never scored 30 goals. Laine could be elite, just the probability is low nowadays.

Caufield is young and is ascending….35+ goal seasons are clearly in his future.

What makes him elite is his ability to find open space and his release….the better this team gets, the bigger his goal totals will be.

 

[habsterr]

Id offer much more than 26th ov for Laine.

He is big, an excellent complementary player that would fit like a glove our age window, needs and on the 2nd line. He would thrive in a hockey market. He has a good personality.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - X

Thats 3 huge player in the to6. If we can get Lindstrom/Demidov/Iginla/Sennecke thats another 6´0+ forward.

Just for the lols add Anthony Mantha and Rutger McGroarty.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - Roy
Newhook - McGroarty - Mantha

 

[sampollock]

Id offer much more than 26th ov for Laine.

He is big, an excellent complementary player that would fit like a glove our age window, needs and on the 2nd line. He would thrive in a hockey market. He has a good personality.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - Dach - X

Thats 3 huge player in the to6. If we can get Lindstrom/Demidov/Iginla/Sennecke thats another 6´0+ forward.

yup please KH try for Laine when you can talk to him

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

What?

They'd actually pay someone to take Laine?

I don't believe it's true, but I would do it in a heartbeat.

It's the rumor yeah, they'll have to pay to shave off his full remaining contract.

 

[le_sean]

I keep seeing people post this premise and while it’s factually true, it’s also disingenuous. The guy had 26 in 46 when he was injured. Pretty sure we can acknowledge he would have had well over 30. At very least that statement needs an asterisk.

Staying healthy is part of the game. He can’t stay healthy.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I keep seeing people post this premise and while it’s factually true, it’s also disingenuous. The guy had 26 in 46 when he was injured. Pretty sure we can acknowledge he would have had well over 30. At very least that statement needs an asterisk.

Yeah but he didn’t get well over 30 and results are what actually matters

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Staying healthy is part of the game. He can’t stay healthy.

Bill Parcells: Availability is the best ability.

 

[Miller Time]

Sure but maybe they don't want to retain? Maybe even with retention the value they get for a “depreciated asset” won’t be as high as you think?

I’m not saying your wrong, I'm just advancing some reasons why I think it could make sense if the Habs and Blue Jackets made a trade in the context of a pick swap.

Swapping picks and as the incentive the Habs take all of Laine’s salary (on top of whatever package they would have sent to acquire Laine in the first place).

Oh agreed here, I'd be interested in taking that gamble since he's only signed for 2 years at 8.7M but I don't think the Blue Jackets are in a position of power as it relates to moving him.

- his salary
- injury history
- personal issues
- public trade demand

Are all significant factors that will affect his trade value.

All fair...

But it's amazing that some fail to appreciate what kind of skill and productivity Laine represents.

19th in goals/gp in the NHL (players with 200+ games) since 2016 when he entered the league, despite the injury issues and lost season last year... The elite scoring ability is proven.

While the injury & pap issues are obvious flags, he's only 26, and by all indications a good teammate who has improved his off ice habits since his late teens/early 20's.

There's risk, no doubt, but also a pretty massive reward, and one far more likely than what we gamble on successfully with Monahan.

Staying healthy is part of the game. He can’t stay healthy.

Like Monahan

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1804937551242736056

Egor might have had some excitement, but overall a nothing prospect for a nothing prospect.

 

[417]

All fair...

But it's amazing that some fail to appreciate what kind of skill and productivity Laine represents.

19th in goals/gp in the NHL (players with 200+ games) since 2016 when he entered the league, despite the injury issues and lost season last year... The elite scoring ability is proven.

While the injury & pap issues are obvious flags, he's only 26, and by all indications a good teammate who has improved his off ice habits since his late teens/early 20's.

There's risk, no doubt, but also a pretty massive reward, and one far more likely than what we gamble on successfully with Monahan.

Oh I’m with you here, I don't even think its that much of a gamble to be honest.

I'd be all for the Habs somehow managing to

A. Add Laine and take on his entire salary
B. Swap picks 4 and 5 with Columbus and ensure the Habs get the forward they want

As long as the cost to acquire Laine isn't prohibitive, I don't think the Blue Jackets are in a position to make demands for Laine like its 2020 anymore.

Count me in.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Staying healthy is part of the game. He can’t stay healthy.

He's had one injury. He was healthy throughout his minor league career and he just played 82 games.

The question is whether he can return to full health on that shoulder. He SHOULD be able to but if it goes as it did for others he probably won't be 100 percent until the season after this one. Even then though, I think we can expect 30 something goals at least.

Now Dach on the other hand...