HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Harry Kakalovich]

I think Laine won't fetch much. Probably a change of scenery swap like the PLD for Kuemper

 

[Kosseca]

The same posters that wanted PLD want Laine now

When will you guys learn

people are hungry for some action. Can't blame them to hit anything that as a pulse. I was the same with girl when I was a teenager lol.

 

[the]

PLD rumors should be dead. RIP PLD rumors. never to be talked about again

As long as I'm still breathing and my HF account doesn't get hacked I will always talk about Pierre-Luc.

The dream will never be dead and I will never give up.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Filip Hronek, who just signed a 8 year 7.25M/yr deal with the Canucks a few days ago, was traded by the Wings to the Canucks for a 1st round pick + 2nd round pick, at the time he was having a career year with 38pts.

Sure, he was a bit younger then, but he like Matheson is far from a perfect Dman in his own zone...

I continue to repeat it, but the way some folks just toss Matheson aside like he has no value is complete madness.

If Matheson in 24-25 maintained his point pace of last year, while his +/- reverted to positive as it was in 22-23, he would get Norris votes, but not from our writers.

people are hungry for some action. Can't blame them to hit anything that as a pulse. I was the same with girl when I was a teenager lol.

2 years versus 7 years.

Much lower acquisition cost.

Higher goal upside with Laine.

 

[Archijerej]

We were talking Dillon to NJD, not to Habs. The context was that NJD is targeting LHD defensive minded D and we might have some pieces here


Holtz or Mercer would be interesting pieces if you are building the trade aorund Struble.

Struble has little trade value. He was playing replacement level hockey most of the time last season.

There's no universe where he's the main piece in a trade for Mercer.

 

[sampollock]

Can Laine be worse than Dvorak ? I know Smiley Dvorak is popular among his teamates and was quite good on faceoffs, but otherwise…. I think a Laine-Dach-Toffoli (or Roy), could be a very good second line.

agreed
if KH can pull this off

The same posters that wanted PLD want Laine now

When will you guys learn

Laine is not that bad as PLD... give the guy a chance.

 

[Egresch]

The same posters that wanted PLD want Laine now

When will you guys learn

Both have their red flags, but they are not the same stories. PLD is an S-hole, cost a lot in trade and required big contract.
Laine has mental health issues, he ison big contract, but only for couple years. And cost would be almost zero.

 

[Archijerej]

I continue to repeat it, but the way some folks just toss Matheson aside like he has no value is complete madness.

You want to hear madness? Apparently, Matheson is shit, but at the same time he will bring a great value in a trade for some reason.

 

[Egresch]

Struble has little trade value. He was playing replacement level hockey most of the time last season.

There's no universe where he's the main piece in a trade for Mercer.

Struble is a 2nd rounder who panned out well and plays playoff style of game. Remember this was his first pro season and he just turns 23. He has at least the same value as our late 1st draft pick.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

The same posters that wanted PLD want Laine now

When will you guys learn

I’d just as soon see the Habs sign you for $5Mx8 and call it a day

 

[sampollock]

You want to hear madness? Apparently, Matheson is shit, but at the same time he will bring a great value in a trade for some reason.

if that is true. IF teams want him. move him now for this supposed great price.
he will not have a season like that again.

 

[ReHabs]

The same posters that wanted PLD want Laine now

When will you guys learn

I reckon it's the same people who want to upgrade the roster as much as possible in opposition the same people who insist that every possible upgrade is not worth it, too expensive, too soon, not 'the silver bullet', not 'the magic pill', and every other miserable excuse they can can muster!

We were not real contenders at any point for the past 20+ years. God forgive the fans who want to be in on NHL talent and part of the excitement that comes with building a winning team... rooting for losses is much better, I guess?

 

[sampollock]

I reckon it's the same people who want to upgrade the roster as much as possible in opposition the same people who insist that every possible upgrade is not worth it, too expensive, too soon, not 'the silver bullet', not 'the magic pill', and every other miserable excuse they can can muster!

We were not real contenders at any point for the past 20+ years. God forgive the fans who want to be in on NHL talent and part of the excitement that comes with building a winning team... rooting for losses is much better, I guess?

HAHAHA

ya like we want to lose forever and the players on the team the same. good points

 

[ReHabs]

HAHAHA

ya like we want to lose forever and the players on the team the same. good points

It feels like it

This off-season for the first time in a long time we've had multiple upper-mid-tier forwards rumoured as available: Necas, Zegras, Laine, etc. And guess what? The same miserly voices poo-pooed the notion of acquiring every single one of them! Prices were too high during 10 years of Bergevin as well. Nothing's changed.

Don't tell me you haven't noticed the pattern. It's psychological at this point.

 

[sampollock]

It feels like it

This off-season for the first time in a long time we've had multiple upper-mid-tier forwards rumoured as available: Necas, Zegras, Laine, etc. And guess what? The same miserly voices poo-pooed the notion of acquiring every single one of them! Prices were too high during 10 years of Bergevin as well. Nothing's changed.

Don't tell me you haven't noticed the pattern. It's psychological at this point.

we all have talked for a long time that KH cant keep all these picks and d men.
So KH will have to make a move and that is life. Suzuki and company want to win, KH will help that out. win the cup? No. But start winning games is the key here

 

[Eegs]

If Matheson in 24-25 maintained his point pace of last year, while his +/- reverted to positive as it was in 22-23, he would get Norris votes, but not from our writers.

If people are giving Matheson Norris votes based on the above criteria, they should have their voting rights revoked. He was 9th in Defenseman scoring and is, let's be honest, very much a one-way, offensive defenseman. Many of the guys above him play both sides of the puck and i'd take quite a few guys below him that also play better D.

He's a good player with obvious trade value, but he is not a Norris caliber player no matter what his +/- says.

I do like that you stated "Not from our writers" though. I am guessing this implies we know better?

 

[ReHabs]

we all have talked for a long time that KH cant keep all these picks and d men.
So KH will have to make a move and that is life. Suzuki and company want to win, KH will help that out. win the cup? No. But start winning games is the key here

I've proposed to trade Guhle for a forward and to use the 5OA to draft one of the very good LD prospects. Poo-pooed, Guhle is too good to trade. Okay, so who? Xhekaj? Gotta keep him, he's special. Matheson -- have you seen how many people are adamant that Matheson, the potential Norris winner, must be retained? Barron? Can't trade Barron, he's on the cusp.

It's like this with everything and every option.

I hope to see KH make a move but there are 31 other teams and most of them will make moves because they don't have the infinitely patient, infinitely supportive, infinitely reliable customers the Habs have. If the Ducks or Bolts or Stars dog it for as long as the Habs have dogged it they lose revenue. If these teams ice boring, drab, dour, miserly rosters for year after year like the Habs have they lose fan interest. The Habs have correctly learned that their conservatism doesn't harm them so you shouldn't expect anything risky from the Habs organization that's for damn sure.

I can accept that but I can't accept the fans pushing for this hyper-conservatism themselves. What's the point? Isn't this all meant to, at some level, offer entertainment?

Why can't we on this fan forum dream in technicolor?

 

[sampollock]

If people are giving Matheson Norris votes based on the above criteria, they should have their voting rights revoked. He was 9th in Defenseman scoring and is, let's be honest, very much a one-way, offensive defenseman. Many of the guys above him play both sides of the puck and i'd take quite a few guys below him that also play better D.

He's a good player with obvious trade value, but he is not a Norris caliber player no matter what his +/- says.

I do like that you stated "Not from our writers" though. I am guessing this implies we know better?

bodes well for KH to move him for a good price

 

[Captain Mountain]

I've proposed to trade Guhle for a forward and to use the 5OA to draft one of the very good LD prospects. Poo-pooed, Guhle is too good to trade. Okay, so who? Xhekaj? Gotta keep him, he's special. Matheson -- have you seen how many people are adamant that Matheson, the potential Norris winner, must be retained? Barron? Can't trade Barron, he's on the cusp.

It's like this with everything and every option.

I hope to see KH make a move but there are 31 other teams and most of them will make moves because they don't have the infinitely patient, infinitely supportive, infinitely reliable customers the Habs have. If the Ducks or Bolts or Stars dog it for as long as the Habs have dogged it they lose revenue. If these teams ice boring, drab, dour, miserly rosters for year after year like the Habs have they lose fan interest. The Habs have correctly learned that their conservatism doesn't harm them so you shouldn't expect anything risky from the Habs organization that's for damn sure.

I can accept that but I can't accept the fans pushing for this hyper-conservatism themselves. What's the point? Isn't this all meant to, at some level, offer entertainment?

Why can't we on this fan forum dream in technicolor?

This feels like an incredibly reductive interpretation of multiple different opinions, but:

-Guhle being traded for a forward would set Montreal further back in the near term, which is counterproductive if the goal is to win now. You also don't need to trade him to take a D, Montreal's prospect pools isn't so strong
-Xhekaj isn't going to return a difference maker at forward.
-Matheson isn't going to return a Zegras/Necas difference maker at forward AND his role is incredibly hard to replace if the goal is to be competitive now.

I also think you're overestimating how conservative most on here are.

And I'm sorry, but Ducks, Bolts AND Stars have "dogged it" for longer stretches of time than the Habs ever have. What those teams know is that you need star talent to win and there generally has to be pain to get them. Whereas Montreal was previously perfectly content with being mediocre as long as they could sell being "competitive" and making the playoffs where "anything can happen".

You can dream in whatever shades you want, but patience and being realistic is a virtue for where Montreal is. That doesn't mean they're being conservative (making trades for the likes of Dach and Newhook certainly isn't that).

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

This feels like an incredibly reductive interpretation of multiple different opinions, but:

-Guhle being traded for a forward would set Montreal further back in the near term, which is counterproductive if the goal is to win now. You also don't need to trade him to take a D, Montreal's prospect pools isn't so strong
-Xhekaj isn't going to return a difference maker at forward.
-Matheson isn't going to return a Zegras/Necas difference maker at forward AND his role is incredibly hard to replace if the goal is to be competitive now.

I also think you're overestimating how conservative most on here are.

And I'm sorry, but Ducks, Bolts AND Stars have "dogged it" for longer stretches of time than the Habs ever have. What those teams know is that you need star talent to win and there generally has to be pain to get them. Whereas Montreal was previously perfectly content with being mediocre as long as they could sell being "competitive" and making the playoffs where "anything can happen".

You can dream in whatever shades you want, but patience and being realistic is a virtue for where Montreal is. That doesn't mean they're being conservative (making trades for the likes of Dach and Newhook certainly isn't that).

We aren't conservative. Fans just want to properly rebuild like everybody else in the league gets a chance to do. Why rush into our Deharnais Plekanecs mediocrity era 2.0 when we can still accumulate assets through the draft while building the team up slowly.

 

[sampollock]

ok posters many want this guy

Mantha told Catherine Savoie of RDS(opens in a new tab) that he was informed by the Vegas Golden Knights that he will not be re-signed by the team, who acquired him at the trade deadline.

 

[salbutera]

 

[sampollock]

not sure if he is good source. but it is the media

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I’d rather use our cap space for a predatory move similar to the one Hughes made with Monahan - this time with Mikheyev in Vancouver.

Mikheyev is coming off a terrible season, and the Canucks want to compete NOW while they still have value in their deals with Hughes and Demko respectively. They’re rumoured to want to keep Zadorov and very much in on Guentzel, so they’ll need cap space. Habs could take on Mikheyev’s full 4.5 million dollar hit and throw in Ylonen, in exchange for the Canucks 2025 1st rounder, unprotected.

Canucks do this because if they buy out Mikheyev, that means they would be paying 6 million plus for the next two years on players to not play for them. It’s cheaper to simply pay the draft pick for the cap space and use it to sign UFA’s to chase the cup.

Habs would be gambling on Mikheyev rounding back into the form he had displayed before when he scored 20 goals. He’d add some size to our forward group, and if they end up somehow drafting Demidov, he could act as a mentor.

So I’d propose:

To Vancouver: Jesse Ylonen

To Montreal: Ilya Mikheyev, 2025 1st round pick (unprotected).

Habs would then have 3 firsts in next year’s draft, which gives them a ton of currency in what I consider to be their huge off season year to really swing for the fences.

 

[BoneHutson]

I’d rather use our cap space for a predatory move similar to the one Hughes made with Monahan - this time with Mikheyev in Vancouver.

Mikheyev is coming off a terrible season, and the Canucks want to compete NOW while they still have value in their deals with Hughes and Demko respectively. They’re rumoured to want to keep Zadorov and very much in on Guentzel, so they’ll need cap space. Habs could take on Mikheyev’s full 4.5 million dollar hit and throw in Ylonen, in exchange for the Canucks 2025 1st rounder, unprotected.

Canucks do this because if they buy out Mikheyev, that means they would be paying 6 million plus for the next two years on players to not play for them. It’s cheaper to simply pay the draft pick for the cap space and use it to sign UFA’s to chase the cup.

Habs would be gambling on Mikheyev rounding back into the form he had displayed before when he scored 20 goals. He’d add some size to our forward group, and if they end up somehow drafting Demidov, he could act as a mentor.

So I’d propose:

To Vancouver: Jesse Ylonen

To Montreal: Ilya Mikheyev, 2025 1st round pick (unprotected).

Habs would then have 3 firsts in next year’s draft, which gives them a ton of currency in what I consider to be their huge off season year to really swing for the fences.

Thatd be a fat W trade if we draft Demidov as well and manage to bring him over right away. Could be his russian pal.