HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[McGees]

He needs to put in more work, and mainly work differently. There are gurus out there who could tweak his game, if he is serious about making a difference again.

Late last season a reporter asked him if a sports psychologist could maybe help him as it helped Armia....
"I don't need one" was his response.

That tells me all I need to know.

 

[Egresch]

What would you say if it's Hutson and Jets 1st for Zegras? Like or dislike?

Why would you do it? You are looking for elite offensive talent in Zegras, but you trade away elite offensive talent in Hutson. Btw, Ducks have Olen Zellweger, so they literally would have zero interest in Hutson.

 

[ReHabs]

Late last season a reporter asked him if a sports psychologist could maybe help him as it helped Armia....
"I don't need one" was his response.

That tells me all I need to know.

I'm wary of imposing therapy onto people. It's a no-win proposition for the person being told to take therapy if he or she doesn't feel like they need to take it. Therapy is imposing, intrusive, demanding, and takes a long time to reveal its effects (if any).

Anderson's problems being between the ears is a valid thought but only his coaches can proscribe what they need for him to do -- it could be coaching, it could be sports therapy, it could be 'regular' therapy but if he doesn't think he needs it, he doesn't need it.

My solution for him is to ship him to his best friend Marc Bergevin.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would you do it? You are looking for elite offensive talent in Zegras, but you trade away elite offensive talent in Hutson. Btw, Ducks have Olen Zellweger, so they literally would have zero interest in Hutson.

Not sure I would. Just pondering what the deal could be if we actually traded for Zegras.

 

[Zilo44]

I'm wary of imposing therapy onto people. It's a no-win proposition for the person being told to take therapy if he or she doesn't feel like they need to take it. Therapy is imposing, intrusive, demanding, and takes a long time to reveal its effects (if any).

Anderson's problems being between the ears is a valid thought but only his coaches can proscribe what they need for him to do -- it could be coaching, it could be sports therapy, it could be 'regular' therapy but if he doesn't think he needs it, he doesn't need it.

My solution for him is to ship him to his best friend Marc Bergevin.

Yeah I’m not sure Anderson’s problem is psychological. I think it’s much more a physical problem. He has to remove his head out of his as*. Only him can perform that surgery

 

[morhilane]

I'd rather go after Jack Quinn.

Slaf-Dach-Quinn ouff

Isn't Quinn always injured?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah I’m not sure Anderson’s problem is psychological. I think it’s much more a physical problem. He has to remove his head out of his as*. Only him can perform that surgery

Yeah, it's a work ethic/focus problem no doubt. He doesn't have the skilled hands a top 6F usually has but that size/skating/shot package is valuable... if he showed up shift after shift.

Doesn't he have a G/F from Montreal? Might not want to be traded and hears all those trades rumors and is deflated. "Hey, play to your potential, so we can trade you for high value" Probably not liking that.

I do think he shows up this year and performs better. He knows he has a really bad season. Can't get any worse right?

 

[Egresch]

Not sure I would. Just pondering what the deal could be if we actually traded for Zegras.

We are not a good dance partner for Ducks, they are in rebuild mode, but I would say they are one step ahead. Only players like Slaf, Reinbacher or Ghule would be interesting for them and I do not think we want to go that way. At least I hope our management is not that stupid to trade any of those pieces for Zegras.

 

[Habs Halifax]

We are not a good dance partner for Ducks, they are in rebuild mode, but I would say they are one step ahead. Only players like Slaf, Reinbacher or Ghule would be interesting for them and I do not think we want to go that way. At least I hope our management is not that stupid to trade any of those pieces for Zegras.

Don't agree. We have many pieces we can trade and none of us know what the various discussions were between Hughes and the Ducks. There has been report after report that Hughes has been talking with them and do you think he is trading Slaf, Reinbacher, Guhle, 5th pick? I don't. So then you wonder, why are they still talking.

 

[Andy]

Holtz
Farabee
Johnson
Lundell
Laine
Stamkos
Necas
Zegras
Kyrou

List of players we see HuGo kicking tires on. Anyone else?

 

[DAChampion]

I think Hughes should consider trading the Jets pick for a 2025 1st + 2024 2nd if a team is interested. It increases the odds that he can move up next year. One late 1st isn't enough, but two are.

The Calgary 1st might be hard to trade right now given the conditions.

 

[Egresch]

Holtz
Farabee
Johnson
Lundell
Laine
Stamkos
Necas
Zegras
Kyrou

List of players we see HuGo kicking tires on. Anyone else?

I would say one of CBJ Russian trio might be possible trade target as well. Chinakov- Voronkov- Marchenko

 

[Benstheman]

Holtz
Farabee
Johnson
Lundell
Laine
Stamkos
Necas
Zegras
Kyrou

List of players we see HuGo kicking tires on. Anyone else?

Quinn and Kakko

 

[Goalfield13]

What would you say if it's Hutson and Jets 1st for Zegras? Like or dislike?

I would be fine with it if we drafted Dickinson 5OA.

 

[Benstheman]

I would be fine with it if we drafted Dickinson 5OA.

Yeah or Buium for his offense.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would be fine with it if we drafted Dickinson 5OA.

It would be tough to trade Hutson because we know the offense he can provide but man, not sure what he does if we ever get into the final 4 in the playoffs. I would imagine he becomes a target in the match-up game. Hard to catch yes but he will be caught and time/space will be reduced. Look at Marner.

I think I'd be fine with it too. Makes you think and yeah, we would take a D then probably.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Dickinson has future Norris-winner vibes about him.

Best D in the draft IMO, and despite our FWD needs… won’t be mad if he’s our pick.

 

[yianik]

Problem with this is that if he does play well enough to regain value, he's actually what we need lol

If we could add a fast, physical 25-30 goal PF to our top 6, we'd be set.

& There's the rub.

Lol I know what you mean. I guess my thinking is this guy has just not earned my faith anyway of being a consistent solid performer and so if he does well , I'm moving him before he flat lines again. Of course he has 3 years left on contract so Hughes could see how it goes, but I would not be resigning him that's for sure.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Late last season a reporter asked him if a sports psychologist could maybe help him as it helped Armia....
"I don't need one" was his response.

That tells me all I need to know.

Einstein's definition of insanity: keep doing the same thing while expecting a different outcome.

Edit: meanwhile, there are a few former Cup-winners on staff, including MSL and Lecavalier. The latter could take Anderson under his wing and suggest some tweaks as successful power player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Dickinson has future Norris-winner vibes about him.

Best D in the draft IMO, and despite our FWD needs… won’t be mad if he’s our pick.

I like him too. He's in my BPA target list. Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom with honorable mention to Buium as being close to Lindstrom.

 

[CanadienShark]

I'll play!

I think that you're giving up too much.
I also think that a 2nd and a B prospect won't do it. There are more than one team interested in Markstrom and that will drive the price up a little.

If you retain 50% on Markstrom, that's worth a 29 pick OA according to PuckPedia's calculator.
So the difference in value between 10 OA and 29 is 17 OA, again according to PuckPedia.

So to make it a fair trade with NJ, you have to get Markstrom for around 17 OA value.
I think that's acceptable value for him at full salary considering the demand around the league, even if he's a bit old.

The average value for Calgary's 2025 1st happens to be 18 OA, considering that it can turn out to be a high as 11 OA and as low as 32.
That part is debatable but i'm sure that Calgary would like to have their pick back and not have that hang over their heads for the duration of next season.

The Habs could add a guy like Harris, who the Flames were rumored to be interested in, for a 2nd.

So my proposal would be:

To Calgary:
Their own 2025 1st
Jordan Harris

To NJ:
Markstrom (50% retained by MTL)

To MTL:
2024 10th OA
2nd from Calgary

It can be tweaked a little, but i think it's in the ballpark.
Also i'm not sure that Markstrom has to be retained on. Retention can be substituted with 26 OA to NJ.

We can dream. No chance we can rob a team like that in reality though.

FLA/CGY pick + retention < 10th overall
CGY 2nd < Harris

Take out CGY 2nd and were still robbing them blind.

 

[Benstheman]

I like him too. He's in my BPA target list. Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom with honorable mention to Buium as being close to Lindstrom.

Is Dickinson NHL ready this year or next? Not a deal breaker at all. Just a question.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I like him too. He's in my BPA target list. Dickinson, Demidov, Iggy, Lindstrom with honorable mention to Buium as being close to Lindstrom.

Dickinson is intriguing, but we'd pretty much have to trade a top defenseman for a high pick to get a forward right after. We cannot expect to have a perfect market for excess defensemen. I don't see us getting an Iginla or Catton equivalent with one of our spares.

 

[Kosseca]

Jack Quinn from Buffalo.

Give them Jordan Harris and Mattias Norlinder as much as it pains me.

he's one that intrigues me. with Holtz, Perfetti and Kent Jonson, I think he's one of the most likely to be a target

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is Dickinson NHL ready this year or next? Not a deal breaker at all. Just a question.

Good question. I would be guessing but I would say he is just as ready to play NHL as Reinbacher was last season. 6'-3" with 194 lbs and skates well. At the very least, he won't be a miss match physically.

Difficult to know how he would adjust to less time and space. If we were to draft him, I would not have plans of him playing NHL though. I would prefer one more Junior year and world juniors

Anybody know the context into why he don't have any U18's?

Dickinson is intriguing, but we'd pretty much have to trade a top defenseman for a high pick to get a forward right after. We cannot expect to have a perfect market for excess defensemen. I don't see us getting an Iginla or Catton equivalent with one of our spares.

Not saying we should push for this but I do wonder if we package Hutson/1st for that top 6F or another pick around 10.

Hutson and Jets 1st out
vs
Dickenson and one of Iggy, Catton, Eiserman, Sennecke in.
or
Dickenson and one of Zegras/Necas in.