HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Jaynki]

Which level of hockey except no-NHLer COVID olympics where even many European stars sat out did Slaf show he was an impact player at? Sean Farrell played three less games than him and was only a point behind at the same olympics.

A good subjective argument that may be valid in a discussion like should we draft him or Wright? It does not make it an intelligent argument to cap his ceiling as a 3M player or a 3rd liner.

Even pre-seasons, practices, scrimmages, etc, Slaf has never shown any elite skill. Huberdeau was a guy who rose from 2nd round to 3rd overall in a couple of months because we was undeniably talented. I guarantee Slaf would have never sniffed the top 5 if there hadn't been so many league shutdowns during COVID.

Its again not looking in the right direction,

Anyway, Slaf's play means he's not even close to getting a raise in the near future.

True.

But he played 50 games and there is still 150 remaining until the end of his ELC. So i think we should take a measured approach here and see.

There's no team in the league that would even give him the Kotkaniemi contract right now out of his ELC.

32 teams out of 32 would pay him 6.3M on a 1 year term and for the price of a late 1st to steal him from us. I guarantee it with same vigor you guarantee he would not be a top 5 pick if it was not of Covid.

He is absolutely going to be bridged at this point.

I would not say its something fixed already.




Even if you dislike the player and think he is a bust, you are still betting against a 19 years old who is in his windows of maximum growth and he may turn things on a dime. It happens just so frequently with young players age 19-23.

The vast majority of 19 years old who played NHL in their D+2 have ended top of the line-up player in their career. Slafovsky is trending in that category whatever subjective perception you have of the players. There is still a possibility he bust tho don't get me wrong, but the best odds are that he ends up somewhere between a top 6 forwards and a star. Also, please note that its irrelevant if you think Slafkovsky is CHL caliber and he should not be in the NHL. The cold hard fact is that he is an NHLer in his D+2.

Otoh, the vast majority of NHL players are on the decline at 30 years old and the decline can be drastic and on a dime too. Huberdeau has the worst contract of the league and he already has showed big sign of decline. The best odds right now are not for him to become his former self who set records, its for him to continue his steep decline rapidly and be an absolute heavy burden.

We should absolutely, absolutely refrain on capping a 19YO NHLers ceiling or already betting on stagnation. Its short sighted.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I get it from your point of view; but I figure if we are going to digest two dudes being underwhelming and costing a lot, might as well go for a disappointing one that will « undoubtably » outproduce them. Plus get a sweetener, obviously.

I think there’s merit to entertaining it. No one is taking Gally man, no man. And Andy is …. Andy. So why the f*** not get what I feel is still a top 3 player in Hubby coming in from a place he doesn’t gel and doesn’t want to be? Plug him up top, see what happens.

yea i feel you but Gally and Anderson's contracts but they half way done Huberdeau is paid more and just started so its another 8 years of a horrible contract

and Huberdeau is not a top 3 player not even close i woudlnt even put him top 5 winger he showed in the past that he could put up some points offensively we all know hes talented but hes a turnover machine and a mess defensively i feel like he got hes retirement contract and wont be the same hes not young anymore Hubby is 30 today and still has a massive contract left

 

[calder candidate]

Not sure that it's about wanting Huberdeau & his contract so much as it's wanting to take advantage of the situation...

If we can dump our own undesirable contracts and add sufficient assets from the flames to offset the (considerable) risk that he's done as a ppg top-line player, it's a worthwhile gamble... Upside that he does return to a top 6 lock is there, downside is buffered by the assets paid to take on the risk

All the undesirable we be getting rid of have 2 years remaining… Huberdeau will have 7 years remaining even he is a great top 6 for 2-3 years and make us competitive, he will be a avg or below avg one for 4-5 years that 10.5M$ will cripple MTL and basically close the window has quickly as it was open… It not likely that asset can buffer that risk for 7 years…Also he probably doesn’t even want to come to MTL, if he is struggling in CGY image in MTL…

 

[Kimota]

Gallagher's mere presence will not change any NHL roster's fate. I don't mean to come across as callous but it's a bit silly to suggest that Edmonton will get over the hump by having Gallagher around, giving it his all.

With Gallagher in the lineup the Habs have had some catastrophic collapses and dud showings, even the game against Tampa the other night. Intangible intangibles.

It's not intangibles when he has been one of the few guys producing lately.

As far as the Oilers, I could not care less. I want to pass him cause of his contract, not cause he can help them.

 

[HuGort]

I think Habs be third team in trade between Detroit and Oilers. Montreal retaining on Campbell. Reimer ending up in Edmonton.

 

[Lockin17]

Oilers : Campbell + first pick 2024 (Lottery protected) + 2nd pick 2024 + Beau Akey
for
MTL : Allen + Lias Anderson

 

[Jaynki]

Oilers : Campbell + first pick 2024 (Lottery protected) + 2nd pick 2024 + Beau Akey
for
MTL : Allen + Lias Anderson

Jfc.

Campbell contract ends when Suzuki and Caufield will have have half of theirs done.

I hope if we get him its not for a lottery protected pick. We had Monahan for an 1st OV only protected in 2025 and he had a 1 year term.

They need to pay the f***ing price or they can happily live with Campbell, whose contract will still have two years when McDavid expires.

 

[tazsub3]

If Calgary retain 4 million its a win for both teams . Huberdeau would come back alive in Montreal

Back from the dead ? He declining bad , not just out of form

a bad contract for 4 years or a bad contract for 8 years, the choice is obvious, there's gonna be better ways to get rid of Gally especially if his game picks back up

this isn't the type of situation where you get rid of something bad for something bad in hopes of getting a marginal sweetner, this is the type of situation where you make use of your cap space to move Gally

I agree fully and don’t want him , however the one point I can make is 6 million over gallys contract in the 5th to 8th year don’t have the same value as 6 million today , as the cap will be substantially higher then

 

[DAChampion]

It's kind of sad that Calgary might not make the playoffs for the next ten years.

There's no way around that contract.

ETA: Unless geopolitical events cause hyperinflation to kick in, in which case the contract's effect will literally deflate.

 

[Jaynki]

ETA: Unless geopolitical events cause hyperinflation to kick in, in which case the contract's effect will literally deflate.

Which geopolitical events might cause hyperinflation?

 

[DAChampion]

Which geopolitical events might cause hyperinflation?

If there are increasing demands on the US federal treasury without a corresponding increase in demand in the US dollar as a reserve currency, in fact the latter may actually see a decrease in demand. Events that could lead to this include the failing wars in Ukraine, Israel, etc.

ETA: Not really hyperinflation, that was hyperble, but I think that inflation rates of 20+%/year are plausible in the next few years.

 

[calder candidate]

I feel like many of you don't understand how much cap space we have this summer and especially next. We are literally swimming in cap space with nobody to sign at all. There are no good free agents either and the ones that are good have 0% chance of coming here. All our core guys are on sweetheart deals that are also not that far off from their fair value. We're closer to hitting the cap floor than the cap ceiling in the summer of 2025. We have 5 mil in dead cap, 10.5 in Carey cap, and still have over 5 mil to play with this year. We have 23 mil in the summer (before subtracting Pearson) with only Monahan to sign. We are absolutely in the position to take a gamble on an elite player falling out of favour. If we sell Dvo or Armia at the deadline we will be closer to 30 mil cap space.

Huberdeau, Kyrou, Couturier, Barzal, Hertl, whoever. Now is the time to take a chance. We have nothing even close to elite forward-wise coming up in the system.

We have cap space doesn’t mean we need to waste it, the last think we want to do is gamble it away on long shot like Huberdeau guy is past is prime and had 7 more years at 10.5M$ or Couturier guy has a worst the injury history… those are the type of guy that will hurt you for 5-6 years when you should be able to compete… We have the flexibility we better be patient there are situations that will evolve and opportunities, gamble on the right players not just gamble for the sake of gambling…

 

[Ezpz]

We have cap space doesn’t mean we need to waste it, the last think we want to do is gamble it away on long shot like Huberdeau guy is past is prime and had 7 more years at 10.5M$ or Couturier guy has a worst the injury history… those are the type of guy that will hurt you for 5-6 years when you should be able to compete… We have the flexibility we better be patient there are situations that will evolve and opportunities, gamble on the right players not just gamble for the sake of gambling…

Good players don't hit free agency anymore. When they do they don't even take our calls like Tavares.

 

[calder candidate]

Good players don't hit free agency anymore. When they do they don't even take our calls like Tavares.

Narrative might be a bit better than it was when Tavares hit the market… Still if we can’t get UFA the answer isn’t go trade for player past their prime on awful radioactive contract.

 

[HuGort]

If I thought Huberdeau was good fit on Suzuki line and Flames either retained or took bad contract back I might trade for him. But I don't know?? It's quite a gamble. Campbell contract likely ruined Oilers rebuild. Same could happen here if Huberdeau wrong piece.

Huberdeau 10.5 million for 7 years. What were Flames thinking?? Must been knee jerk reaction to Tkachuk and Johnny Hockey wanting out.

 

[Andy]

Wild proposal, but I wonder if the Leafs would trade Tavares + 1st and 2nd round pick for Monahan +Harris?

Tavares has only one more year left on his deal after this. Trading Monahan opens a ton of cap room for the leafs to try and fill other holes and they gain a stable young d-man.

I don't know if that is exactly the parameters of the trade, but I feel like a Monahan-Tavares swap could actually work between both teams. Leafs really need cap, habs have the cap. Tavares as a one year stop gap at centre, even at big money, would be great for the habs.

 

[tazsub3]

Wild proposal, but I wonder if the Leafs would trade Tavares + 1st and 2nd round pick for Monahan +Harris?

Tavares has only one more year left on his deal after this. Trading Monahan opens a ton of cap room for the leafs to try and fill other holes and they gain a stable young d-man.

I don't know if that is exactly the parameters of the trade, but I feel like a Monahan-Tavares swap could actually work between both teams. Leafs really need cap, habs have the cap. Tavares as a one year stop gap at centre, even at big money, would be great for the habs.

Why would we do that ? First won’t be a good one and better offers for Monahan will be there .
And Tavares won’t make us a contender next year.
The only older center I would take on this team is German

 

[Andy]

Why would we do that ? First won’t be a good one and better offers for Monahan will be there .
And Tavares won’t make us a contender next year.
The only older center I would take on this team is German

Why would the habs do it?

You get potentially high picks to take on Tavares' contract which can be used for future trade capital.

No the habs won't compete, but I do believe that for youth to develop, it helps to play with and alongside other top talent. Tavares would fit that bill.

He wouldn't be acquired to help the habs compete, but simply to help the team continue to accumulate assets. Would the leafs part with a 1st and a good prospect to dump Tavares? The habs next year could retain on Tavares remaining year to get even more additional assets.

I think it could work out as a one-year stop gap. With Dach injured, I'm hesitant to dump Monahan only for picks given how thin the centre depth is. I don't think it's good for Suzuki to be the only offensive centre on the club and I think it's bad for the development of Newhook and Slafkovsky to not play with an offensive minded centre.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Wild proposal, but I wonder if the Leafs would trade Tavares + 1st and 2nd round pick for Monahan +Harris?

Tavares has only one more year left on his deal after this. Trading Monahan opens a ton of cap room for the leafs to try and fill other holes and they gain a stable young d-man.

I don't know if that is exactly the parameters of the trade, but I feel like a Monahan-Tavares swap could actually work between both teams. Leafs really need cap, habs have the cap. Tavares as a one year stop gap at centre, even at big money, would be great for the habs.

JT has a NMC

 

[Andy]

JT has a NMC

Well hot dog.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

If I thought Huberdeau was good fit on Suzuki line and Flames either retained or took bad contract back I might trade for him. But I don't know?? It's quite a gamble. Campbell contract likely ruined Oilers rebuild. Same could happen here if Huberdeau wrong piece.

Huberdeau 10.5 million for 7 years. What were Flames thinking?? Must been knee jerk reaction to Tkachuk and Johnny Hockey wanting out.

They weren't.

 

[ReHabs]

What would you offer right now to get Draisatl?

No guarantee he re-signs for next summer but he doesn’t rule it out either. Imagine he is completely unaware of the trade when it is made.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

What would you offer right now to get Draisatl?

No guarantee he re-signs for next summer but he doesn’t rule it out either. Imagine he is completely unaware of the trade when it is made.

Anything not named Caufield, Suzuki or Guhle is on the table, including the entire prospect/draft pick pool .

 

[Habs 4 Life]

What would you offer right now to get Draisatl?

No guarantee he re-signs for next summer but he doesn’t rule it out either. Imagine he is completely unaware of the trade when it is made.

Whatever they want

 

[Miller Time]

Why would the habs do it?

You get potentially high picks to take on Tavares' contract which can be used for future trade capital.

No the habs won't compete, but I do believe that for youth to develop, it helps to play with and alongside other top talent. Tavares would fit that bill.

He wouldn't be acquired to help the habs compete, but simply to help the team continue to accumulate assets. Would the leafs part with a 1st and a good prospect to dump Tavares? The habs next year could retain on Tavares remaining year to get even more additional assets.

I think it could work out as a one-year stop gap. With Dach injured, I'm hesitant to dump Monahan only for picks given how thin the centre depth is. I don't think it's good for Suzuki to be the only offensive centre on the club and I think it's bad for the development of Newhook and Slafkovsky to not play with an offensive minded centre.

Makes sense on paper but I can't see Tavares waiving his NMC to leave Toronto for Montreal... Especially with us being a few years away from contention.