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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #84: Off-Season edition

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ML16 said:
Besides Colorado, I think the Habs' most dangerous rival in acquiring Dubois's rights this summer (or signing him as UFA in 2024) will actually be the Boston Bruins, especially with both their 2 top-6 C (Bergeron and Krejci) nearing retirement...

For this reason - and the short window of opportunity provided by the last season of the "frozen cap era" to potentially sign Dubois 8 years at max. 8.5M AAV - the Habs should seriously consider pulling the trigger this summer.

Two packages I think could be sustainable, asset-management-wise :

A. Dubois + Dillon vs CGY'S 2025 (or 2024... or 2026!) 1st + MTL's 2023 2nd + Dvorak + Harris

B. Dubois vs FLA's 2023 1st + Dvorak + Ylonen + ("B+ prospect")

In option A, the high 2nd round pick compensate for the fact that the Flames' 1st is not in 2023. And since Calagry is trending in the wrong direction, might be enticing for the Jets to gamble on a Flames' collapŝe before long. Harris provides a cost-effective young LHD to replace Dillon and the cap savings (2.5M) on the Jets' part would take care of more than half of Dvorak's incoming salary.

In option B, FLA's 2023 1st (12-15 range), Ylonen and a "B+ Prospect" as incentives for the Dubois / Dvorak swap.

Both options are obviously under the assumption that the Jets decide to cut their potential loss this summer, which is not unlikely since if they don't trade Dubois because they want to squeeze another Cup run of his RFA years, they likely won't trade him at TDL 2024 either and thus risk losing everything aftwerwards.
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Not sure how Boston can afford the salary. They have a lot of guys already making big $.

5 forwards @ 31M (Pasta 11, Marchand 6, Coyle 5, Zacha 5, Debrusk 4)
4 D @ 24M (MacAvoy 9.5, Lindholm 6.5, Carlo and Gryz 4 each)
Ullmark at 5M and Swayman will get a raise, let's say 3M.

That's 63M for 11 players. And if Hall isn't off to Robidas Island, that's 6M more, so 69M for 12 players.
Hard to see them adding Dubois at 8-9M and still filling the rest of the roster.
 
VirginiaMtlExpat said:
This makes sense to me. A lot of posters are thinking that this is in the bag, just wait out the UFA eligibility, but I don't believe that this is a binary event. Colorado, Boston and other teams will make a pitch to the Jets for his services, and Dubois will happily sign there. He could be using Montreal as leverage, like so many before him.
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He might not be using MON as leverage now, since MON can use that as leverage to try and acquire him via trade, but, if MON doesn't show reciprocal interest and lets Dubois rot in WIN one more year in the hopes of getting him just for Cap implications and nothing else, other teams will naturally outbid and out woo Montreal once Dubois becomes a UFA.

BOS ia a very serious suitor because, before long, they will desperately need a C like Dubois to keep making Pastrnak's very, very expensive contract worthwhile.

Wooing Dubois with Pasternak as a potential line mate is an attractive proposition.

Of course, it's hard to trump playing with Lehkonen in COL. ;)

Or Pezzetta in Montreal... :(
 
WG said:
Not sure how Boston can afford the salary. They have a lot of guys already making big $.

5 forwards @ 31M (Pasta 11, Marchand 6, Coyle 5, Zacha 5, Debrusk 4)
4 D @ 24M (MacAvoy 9.5, Lindholm 6.5, Carlo and Gryz 4 each)
Ullmark at 5M and Swayman will get a raise, let's say 3M.

That's 63M for 11 players. And if Hall isn't off to Robidas Island, that's 6M more, so 69M for 12 players.
Hard to see them adding Dubois at 8-9M and still filling the rest of the roster.
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I think there are also the 4m bonuses from Bergeron and Krejci which should be added next year (at least partially)
 
Tim Wallach said:
Oh yeah, I heard it and it was definitely all over the place. And I'm not defending any of his choices. I was just clarifying that in the tweet of his that you quoted, I don't think he was saying they'll take Benson at 13. He is just showing that Pronman had now dropped Benson to 13 and it's starting the wild changes in lists we're about to see.
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Surprised Benson would even be around at 13.
 
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VirginiaMtlExpat said:
This makes sense to me. A lot of posters are thinking that this is in the bag, just wait out the UFA eligibility, but I don't believe that this is a binary event. Colorado, Boston and other teams will make a pitch to the Jets for his services, and Dubois will happily sign there. He could be using Montreal as leverage, like so many before him.
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My instincts tell me he is using Mtl as leverage.
 
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Habs Icing said:
My instincts tell me he is using Mtl as leverage.
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Usually, a player will use another team's offer as leverage during the time he's a UFA and fielding multiple offers. You don't see this tactic used when a player is RFA and years away from being UFA as it doesn't make any sense as it would drive down their value. Who wants to trade for a player who's openly said he wants to play for another team as his top destination? Why would they give up a lot of assets to try and aquire him if they're not his first choice as well as limiting the available suitors at his eventual disposal. Brisson is too smart for that and that would be a dumb strategy to employ at this time.

Also, ask yourself this quesrtion. If PLD could use any team as leverage, why would he burn his childhood team, where he lives in the offseason and his family and freinds all live in? It would make him extremely unpopular and be the epitome of shitting where you eat. If he wanted to use a team for leverage, he'd be smarter to use NY, Tampa etc.
 
Habs Icing said:
My instincts tell me he is using Mtl as leverage.
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So many have, before.....so many.
I would think Brisson and Hughes, being buddies as agents, have talked.........for some reason I think this could happen this time...............Dubois right from his draft year, has always been rumoured to want to be with the habs.
 
Captain Mountain said:
Are we talking about the first couple of years into his tenure? When he locked up Price, Pacioretty and Gallagher to long-term, sweetheart deals, cleared the extra years of Cole's contract off the books in the Ryder trade, and used compliance buyouts to get rid of the Gomez and Kaberle contracts?

Would you argue that was less than decent?

Later in his tenure he was awful, but people seem to already forgot what a big deal it was having two high end wingers and a top goalie locked up long term for under 15 mil a year.
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Two words … Rick Dudley
 
Any local guy or former Habs player the media lose their minds.

Any update on Gallagher? His monster contract will be a killer but so will a few others. The Habs will have to unload someway somehow some of those contracts this summer.
I might have been hiding under a rock but is Carey Price done retired? its over right?
 
Habitant#1 said:
Andrew Berkshire dropping a rumour that an ex-Hab would like to return to Montreal. Could it be Pacioretty?
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Sure, maybe. Habs have cap space this summer with a bright future and not many teams have cap space. Could be a trap. Love Patch but I pass on 30+ players as UFA at this point in time.

Age 34/35 season next year. Bad idea if you go with term but could be a good idea if it's a one year deal and we flip him at the 24 deadline :naughty:
 
I do hate when they do comparables too. In that Athletic article, most of the comparables after the top 3 or 4 were plugs. Hopefully this draft pans out better than that.
 
Nico Cauzuki said:
He was in montreal this weekend i saw him Saturday morning at the arena sportplex in pierrefonds for a kids tournament he has a leg injury tho he was walking on one leg
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Interesting. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s Pacioretty. All his enemies have left the organization and he was seen having a long talk with MSL in the stands when Habs were in Raleigh.
No thx though ;)
 
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