HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[waitin425]

I also really want Dobson. From this group above, I'd trade away Anderson ++ if that's what it took for Dobson.

Huberdeau - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dubois - XXX (Roy??)
Pitlick - Dach - 2023 1st/Mesar
Farrell Evans Armia

Guhle - Dobson
Matheson - Barron
Harris - Malioux

PRICE

Is Dobson available or has there been any whispers about him?

 

[waitin425]

I’m what alternate universe could Gallagher score 50 points? He would need to play 1st line with Suzuki and he would need to be 3 years younger

Up until last year has has scored at exactly a 50 pt pace for his entire career. Even including last year his career average is 48 pt pace. In what alternate universe are you living in, that Gally does not have that ability?

Last year has been the outlier thus far. If it continues sure. But he could also rebound back to his average.

 

[Heffyhoof]

This is 90 percent of this board. And too unself-aware to see it.

Good lord, enough of the 'we're smarter because we want Huberdeau/PLD shtick.' It's more like, by your math, %10 of the board are totally incapable of waiting more than 1 year of a rebuild before whining that the team needs to go after every shiny toy it can.

 

[DAChampion]

Good lord, enough of the 'we're smarter because we want Huberdeau/PLD shtick.' It's more like, by your math, %10 of the board are totally incapable of waiting more than 1 year of a rebuild before whining that the team needs to go after every shiny toy it can.

What?

One year?

If the Habs acquire Huberdeau next summer, that will mean two year of tanking.

2022 and 2023 draft years.

1+1=2.

 

[Heffyhoof]

What?

One year?

If the Habs acquire Huberdeau next summer, that will mean two year of tanking.

2022 and 2023 draft years.

1+1=2.

Pretty sure we're on year 1 at this current moment and have been for the entirety of the 'grab whichever French player might be available' movement. But there's that trademark smarter than you type post.

 

[NewEraGM]

Still waiting on PLD trade lol….now you people are saying huberdeau AND Dubois to Montreal. Wow…with what money?!?!

Suzuki and Caufield = 8M
Huberdeau = 10M
Dubois = 6M
Slafkovsky = 6M*
TOTAL = 38M for 5 forwards

Nevermind Anderson at 5M.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Good lord, enough of the 'we're smarter because we want Huberdeau/PLD shtick.' It's more like, by your math, %10 of the board are totally incapable of waiting more than 1 year of a rebuild before whining that the team needs to go after every shiny toy it can.

This may come to you as a shock, but many of us don’t feel the same way about team building
and it’s not that we’ve grown impatient to a plan it’s that we never agreed to that plan. Nowhere did I ever say we needed to avoid acquiring good players for any arbitrary timeline.

I know it may sound crazy, but building a good team requires good players. The deferred winning that this board supports has never been my idea. So no, I’m not impatient, I’m different than you and I think my way is better than yours, that’s what the discussion is for.

 

[BLONG7]

Can't see Huberdeau be willing to give a major discount when he's been vastly underpaid the last 5 years

The agents just have too much say and control over most of these kids, until they are mid 30's
It's just the way it is...........sad, but true.

Still waiting on PLD trade lol….now you people are saying huberdeau AND Dubois to Montreal. Wow…with what money?!?!

Suzuki and Caufield = 8M
Huberdeau = 10M
Dubois = 6M
Slafkovsky = 6M*
TOTAL = 38M for 5 forwards

Nevermind Anderson at 5M.

There are times, that there is not much difference between leaf and habs fans.............some things just don't add up at times....

 

[Habs Icing]

I think we're both correct.

You are correct. I checked. I must say I never heard of "the devil's playground" Must be because I'm from Quebec. Catholics are not allowed to play and they most definitely won't allow the devil some play time

 

[waitin425]

Pretty sure we're on year 1 at this current moment and have been for the entirety of the 'grab whichever French player might be available' movement. But there's that trademark smarter than you type post.

Ill play.

I agree.....year 1 considering that 2 years ago we were in the Cup Final.

Honest question though. What is you definition of a rebuild? I kind of take it as a 4-6 year process where you purge the old guard and usher in the new via high end draft picks.

For arguments sake...let's say we grab PLD in the next two years. This would be our young rebuilt core moving forward.....

PLD - 2016 3rd overall pick (conservatively still a top 10 in redrafts)
Suzuki - 2017 13th overall pick (probably top 5, but conservatively top 10 in redrafts)
Caufield - 2019 15th overall pick (probably top 5, but conservatively top 10 in redrafts)
Guhle - 2020 16th overall pick (seems about right at this point and too early to tell...but trending like a 1st rounder)
Barron - 2020 25th overall pick (seems about right at this point and too early to tell...but trending like a 1st rounder)
Mailloux - 2021 31st overall pick (far too early too tell if he climbs in redrafts or falls)
Slafkovsky - 2022 1st overall (need a star here)
Mesar - 2022 26th (too early to tell)
Hutson - 2022 2nd round pick----Massive BOOM or bust

My point in posting all this, is if we were a team in 2016 starting our rebuild and we drafted those players above, we would be extremely happy. We would be calling for some quality depth and veterans to fill out our lineup.

Admittedly...there are no Superstars in that lineup...yet....but that is a damn good lineup.

Above we have 3 x top 10 players (conservatively) in their draft. 2 x NHL top 4 defencemen in Guhle and Barron. 1 complete question mark in Mailloux. And....two potential Superstars in Slafkovsky and Hutson. This doesn't include Roy and/or Farrell...who both have NHL potential.

In 2023 we add two more 1st rounders to our mix in a very deep draft. If we get one of Bedard, Michkov or Fantilli....that is yet another potential Superstar.

The rebuild my friend...when looking at it this way....is nearing it's conclusion. Huburdeau could totally be worth it as our veteran add if we can somehow think of a way to circle back to the start of my post and purge the old guard.

My dream for 2023 draft is an absolute grand slam......one of Bedard, Michkov or Fantilli with one pick.....and Cameron Allen with the other pick.

Edit: I completely forgot about Dach. While he was the 2019 third overall pick his stock has declined significantly. I would say he is still a first round talent with an outside shot of returning to his draft pedigree.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Still waiting on PLD trade lol….now you people are saying huberdeau AND Dubois to Montreal. Wow…with what money?!?!

Suzuki and Caufield = 8M
Huberdeau = 10M
Dubois = 6M
Slafkovsky = 6M*
TOTAL = 38M for 5 forwards

Nevermind Anderson at 5M.

You got to look at the timing of when contracts expire and what the cap will be.

Best way to see how the cap works is to use the armchair GM modular on cap friendly. Use a $83.5M cap for next year and a $88M cap for the year after.

I'm curious now... I'm going to go play with it.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Let me get this straight, many were ready to fork over a 8-year deal to keep a 31-year old Radulov (and ripped MB for not doing so), but aren’t willing to go 6 on a 30-year old Huberdeau - who because of his US residency qualifies for the CDN RCA program w bonus heavy contract structure?

Fans just wanted Habs to match have given Radulov the offer Dallas eventually made, not 8 years.

I don't think it was terrible to let Radulov go per se, but if you got Weber and just extended Price, you had to go for it all-in. That's what Bergie did not get.

 

[DAChampion]

Fans just wanted Habs to match have given Radulov the offer Dallas eventually made, not 8 years.

I don't think it was terrible to let Radulov go per se, but if you got Weber and just extended Price, you had to go for it all-in. That's what Bergie did not get.

Yeah that post was so stupid.

Here we go, in 2017, it made sense to give Radulov 6.25 million/year for 5 years.

In 2023, it will make sense to give Huberdeau an approximately 8 million/year, 7 year contract.

Different players, different teams, different contexts, different salary caps.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How our cap space would look with Dubois and Huberdeau and without Dvorak, Hoffman, Drouin, Dadonov, Byron, Armia, & Allen.

I honestly don't see big issues with the cap and it's going to grow a lot for the 24/25 season. We will also find out what Price can do this year and we will know if he can still play or if he is on LTIR. If he is on LTIR, that's a lot more cap space we can use. If he is not, that means he can still play and there is value there.

Let me get this straight, many were ready to fork over a 8-year deal to keep a 31-year old Radulov (and ripped MB for not doing so), but aren’t willing to go 6 on a 30-year old Huberdeau - who because of his US residency qualifies for the CDN RCA program w bonus heavy contract structure?

If Dubois wants to come to the Habs for $7.5M and Huberdeau wants to come for $9M max, I'm not saying no to them. Add them in the mix to Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, Anderson, Farell, Roy and others and the forward group is solid. Then we see how good Guhle, Harris, Barron, Mailloux and others are on the back end.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This may come to you as a shock, but many of us don’t feel the same way about team building
and it’s not that we’ve grown impatient to a plan it’s that we never agreed to that plan. Nowhere did I ever say we needed to avoid acquiring good players for any arbitrary timeline.

I know it may sound crazy, but building a good team requires good players. The deferred winning that this board supports has never been my idea. So no, I’m not impatient, I’m different than you and I think my way is better than yours, that’s what the discussion is for.

You mean like being impatient like Yzerman who is considered a very patient GM? Why did he go sign players this offseason when his youth is not that much better than ours.

What patience are you talking about? The Coyotes and Blackhawks plan?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

You mean like being impatient like Yzerman who is considered a very patient GM? Why did he go sign players this offseason when his youth is not that much better than ours.

What patience are you talking about? The Coyotes and Blackhawks plan?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe try following the conversation and find out where I said anything about Steve Yzerman and the wings. I really don’t know what you are talking about here. I’m not trying to be rude with you, but wtf are you saying?

You mean like being impatient like Yzerman who is considered a very patient GM? Why did he go sign players this offseason when his youth is not that much better than ours.

What patience are you talking about? The Coyotes and Blackhawks plan?

I’m not against signing players, that is the other crowd. This is such a bizarre post that I don’t even know what you are trying to say.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe try following the conversation and find out where I said anything about Steve Yzerman and the wings. I really don’t know what you are talking about here. I’m not trying to be rude with you, but wtf are you saying?


I’m not against signing players, that is the other crowd. This is such a bizarre post that I don’t even know what you are trying to say.

I was just asking questions cause you were talking about your plan being the right one?

Yzerman point was about the patience narrative. I didn't say you were talking about Yzerman but you did bring up the patience narrative on sticking to a plan. I think Yzerman and the Wings are a good comparable and he just went on a spending spree that likely hurts his Bedard chances.

And no, I didn't read the entire chain of posts. After reading your reply, I still don't know where you are coming from. I only see complaining.

So are you against signing Huberdeau and trading for Dubois if the price is right? I can only assume so but now you are saying you are not against signing players? Please clarify

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

If Huberdeau for some reason wants to come to Montreal next summer as a UFA and is willing to work with Hughes so that the contract is a good one for the Habs, (term and AAV) then I think you have to sign him.

I'm not convinced that's what will happen, because I think Huberdeau will want to go somewhere where he can compete right off the hop, but he's UFA and if he decides this is where he wants to be, and Hughes is comfortable with the contract, go for it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Huberdeau for some reason wants to come to Montreal next summer as a UFA and is willing to work with Hughes so that the contract is a good one for the Habs, (term and AAV) then I think you have to sign him.

I'm not convinced that's what will happen, because I think Huberdeau will want to go somewhere where he can compete right off the hop, but he's UFA and if he decides this is where he wants to be, and Hughes is comfortable with the contract, go for it.

I think the Flames flip Huberdeau at the deadline and that team might try to extend him. However, there are lots of contenders with no cap room for Huberdeau after next season.

Habs are not a bad option with our youth maturing and our pool being deep. I'd offer Huberdeau $9M max for 7 years (age 30-36). And I'd start at $8M and see what kind of season he has this season on a new team.

If both Dubois and Huberdeau want to join our youth core and really do want to come home, leave a little money on the table in the AAV but we can certainly offer the 7 year terms with lots of signing bonus money so they can invest earlier. If they are only interested in coming to the Habs on absolute max deals, I might pass cause I want a core that values each other vs individuals who are greedy like Matthews and Marner who screw over the teams cap structure.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Getting a potential 100+ points local star on my team would be worth pretty much any price as far as I'm concerned. If something close to a max contract is what it takes I'd probably still do it TBH. Carey will hopefully be off our hook at that point anyway.

 

[waitin425]

If Huberdeau for some reason wants to come to Montreal next summer as a UFA and is willing to work with Hughes so that the contract is a good one for the Habs, (term and AAV) then I think you have to sign him.

I'm not convinced that's what will happen, because I think Huberdeau will want to go somewhere where he can compete right off the hop, but he's UFA and if he decides this is where he wants to be, and Hughes is comfortable with the contract, go for it.

Agreed. There has got to be protection for the player and the team built in.

Hubs wants a fair contract that affords him security for his future.

Habs want a fair contract that doesn't cripple them if Hubs begins his slide early. I like the 7 year 9 mil contract beginning next summer at age 30. Huburdeau is a great playmaker. On Suzuki and Caufield's wing he makes them much better.

I'd be happy with the below production.

Year 1 - 85-95 points
Year 2 - 85-95 points
Year 3 - 85-95 points
Year 4 - 75-85 points
Year 5 - 65-75 points
Year 6 - 65-75 points
Year 7 - 55-65 points

I could live with that cap hit and above production.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Getting a potential 100+ points local star on my team would be worth pretty much any price as far as I'm concerned. If something close to a max contract is what it take I'd probably still do it TBH.

7 years at $9M AAV (Age 30-36) with 50% of it paid as yearly signing bonus. What contender has the space to offer Huberdeau that? No doubt in my mind he considers the Habs and and our direction over the next 7 years. Dubois and Huberdeau would be very good adds to our core.

Takes guts to make a move like this while we are rebuilding but we do have a good situation with a lot of ELC filtering in the next few years while we also have a lot of expiring contracts. And if Price goes on LTIR, cap space is not a problem one bit. If Price does not go on LTIR, that means are team is better cause he can still play. Price said it himself, he doesn't want to be a burden to his team's cap.

 

[SlafySZN]

You mean like being impatient like Yzerman who is considered a very patient GM? Why did he go sign players this offseason when his youth is not that much better than ours.

What patience are you talking about? The Coyotes and Blackhawks plan?

Are you saying acquiring guys like copp, perron, kubalik, maatta, chiarot is remotely close to be the same thing as signing Huberdeau for 7 years at an astronomical salary? PLUS Dubois? Come on now.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Agreed. There has got to be protection for the player and the team built in.

Hubs wants a fair contract that affords him security for his future.

Habs want a fair contract that doesn't cripple them if Hubs begins his slide early. I like the 7 year 9 mil contract beginning next summer at age 30. Huburdeau is a great playmaker. On Suzuki and Caufield's wing he makes them much better.

I'd be happy with the below production.

Year 1 - 85-95 points
Year 2 - 85-95 points
Year 3 - 85-95 points
Year 4 - 75-85 points
Year 5 - 65-75 points
Year 6 - 65-75 points
Year 7 - 55-65 points

I could live with that cap hit and above production.

If Slaf turns into who we think he can... that top 6 would be contender level. Then combine that with Farrell and Dach reaching potential while Gallagher rebounds?

Slaf / Suzuki / Caufield
Huberdeau / Dubois / Anderson
Farrell / Dach / Gallagher
Pitlick / Evans / Roy

We can then focus on drafting more D in the coming drafts. Is Guhle, Barron, Harris, Mailloux, and others enough? Not sure but we will know more after this next season.

Are you saying acquiring guys like copp, perron, kubalik, maatta, chiarot is remotely close to be the same thing as signing Huberdeau for 7 years at an astronomical salary? PLUS Dubois? Come on now.

It's not in terms of quality but it is in terms of not tanking for Bedard which is the patience narrative point I'm making. I can't control your comprehension and I won't be held responsible for it either

 

[Captain Mountain]

It’s nothing like what they did. Do you not understand our 1st overall pick isn’t even in the NHL yet and we have another Top 10 pick in 2023 coming on an ELC too? One of the best defence prospects also needs to start his contract soon. So how is that like Toronto getting Tavares on the last year of Matthews and Marner’s rookie deals? You’re giving yourself a 3 year ELC window rather than 1.

I can’t believe the people whining about adding a 115 point player. It’s ludicrous. From a fanbase that was drooling because Max Domi got 70.

Lets see:

1. Already paying players for hopeful future performances? With Suzuki and likely Caufield, that's a check.
2. Focusing on forward while ignoring D? That's a check.
3. Betting on D prospects that haven't made the NHL yet? That's a check.

The things the Leafs had that Montreal didn't is that they did most of the work to clean up their awful cap situation and had a better baseline of talent and more certainty in goal. The Habs have not done that.

I don't think anyone has an issue with Huberdeau if its a good deal. The issue is that it almost definitely wont be, since almost every UFA age contract ranges from slightly overpaid to grossly overpaid. And the length of the "fair" deal probably only helps Montreal stay out of the basement, not contend.