Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XXXV

[57special]

Dumba doesn't get you Larkin. As nice as it is to have a top 4 RHD, you don't sell a young #1C for one. Larkin isn't elite, but he is good, and who knows what he could do with proper support. Brodin+ Zucker + Khovanov might get you Larkin....but i doubt it. Yzerman knows the importance of having a #1C.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Dumba doesn't get you Larkin. As nice as it is to have a top 4 RHD, you don't sell a young #1C for one. Larkin isn't elite, but he is good, and who knows what he could do with proper support. Brodin+ Zucker + Khovanov might get you Larkin....but i doubt it. Yzerman knows the importance of having a #1C.

Not a chance Dumba gets you Larkin.
#1 23 yr old C on a very team friendly contract would cost Dumba + JEE / Greenway / Kunin + a prospect
I totally agree with 57

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Not a chance Dumba gets you Larkin.
#1 23 yr old C on a very team friendly contract would cost Dumba + JEE / Greenway / Kunin + a prospect
I totally agree with 57

It would cost more than that. It's not like Detroit has a spare #1 center is reserve to plug into Larkin's spot.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Players like Larkin don’t get traded for packages when they’re 23

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Players like Larkin don’t get traded for packages when they’re 23

Seguin did.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Seguin did.

Boston was auctioning him off. It was obvious he was gettin moved. If Detroit was doing the same with Larkin, I’m sure Dumba would be an enticing piece. Different situations, but I guess you are right. It can happen, I just don’t see any deals right now that involve a 1C under 23.

 

[Wabit]

Seguin did.

Wasn't Seguin a wing for Bos?

Chia was the GM for Bos at the time for that trade. Steve Y is a much better GM that Chia ever was.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't think the Dumba of 12 months ago gets us Larkin, let alone right now. Just saying that it has happened in history.

 

[DANOZ28]

you guys are talking like drafting a C is important

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Haula with 3 points in I believe his first game back. I still think he’d be a good FA signing for us if we can get him for the right price.

 

[Wabit]

Haula with 3 points in I believe his first game back. I still think he’d be a good FA signing for us if we can get him for the right price.

I think Haula is going to chase the big money/term contract this offseason. He'll be 29 and it'll be his chance to cash in after the low price contracts he's had. He'll probably price himself out of MN. This will depend if he can stay healthy and put up a good rest of the season, of course.

I'm not against bringing Haula back as a player, but the contract has to make sense. A 4 x $6m I'd be interested, a 7 x $7m I wouldn't touch.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I think Haula is going to chase the big money/term contract this offseason. He'll be 29 and it'll be his chance to cash in after the low price contracts he's had. He'll probably price himself out of MN. This will depend if he can stay healthy and put up a good rest of the season, of course.

I'm not against bringing Haula back as a player, but the contract has to make sense. A 4 x $6m I'd be interested, a 7 x $7m I wouldn't touch.

I’d be shocked if he gets anything more than 6 million per

 

[AKL]

So if the team keeps playing well and putting up lots of goals without Zucker, do you look at moving him in the offseason due to the fact that he'll have value, and you can shed salary, or do you still look at moving guys like Donato or Greenway and get less in return but keep the, as of now, better player?

Or, barring any opportunities to bring in another top 6 center this summer, do you try to move a guy like Foligno, bump some people down the lineup, and keep all the scoring forwards.

I think it's safe to say at this point that Guerin shouldn't be considering a Fiala trade unless it's for a legit similar aged 70+ point 1C. A la Larkin.

 

[Bazeek]

So if the team keeps playing well and putting up lots of goals without Zucker, do you look at moving him in the offseason due to the fact that he'll have value, and you can shed salary, or do you still look at moving guys like Donato or Greenway and get less in return but keep the, as of now, better player?

Or, barring any opportunities to bring in another top 6 center this summer, do you try to move a guy like Foligno, bump some people down the lineup, and keep all the scoring forwards.

I think it's safe to say at this point that Guerin shouldn't be considering a Fiala trade unless it's for a legit similar aged 70+ point 1C. A la Larkin.

I think it's a question of options and priorities.

Priorities:
1.) Top-6 Center
2.) "High-end" scoring talent
3.) Starting goalie
4.) Picks and prospects

Trade options (my personal order, based on value, ease of replacement, contracts, etc.)
1.) Zucker
2.) Brodin
3.) Dumba
4.) Kunin
5.) Foligno
6.) Hunt
7.) Donato
8.) Eriksson-Ek
9.) Greenway
10.) Hartman
11.) Staal
12.) Soucy
13.) Fiala

I wouldn't consider the 1st or other picks off limits, but it's hard to say where they fall on that list until we know what kind of pick we're dealing with. It still feels like it could be anywhere from 1st to 31st. I'd keep Kaprizov and the other prospects are hard to see as being valuable enough to warrant trading.

 

[AKL]

I think it's a question of options and priorities.

Priorities:
1.) Top-6 Center
2.) "High-end" scoring talent
3.) Starting goalie
4.) Picks and prospects

Trade options (my personal order, based on value, ease of replacement, contracts, etc.)
1.) Zucker
2.) Brodin
3.) Dumba
4.) Kunin
5.) Foligno
6.) Hunt
7.) Donato
8.) Eriksson-Ek
9.) Greenway
10.) Hartman
11.) Staal
12.) Soucy
13.) Fiala

I wouldn't consider the 1st or other picks off limits, but it's hard to say where they fall on that list until we know what kind of pick we're dealing with. It still feels like it could be anywhere from 1st to 31st. I'd keep Kaprizov and the other prospects are hard to see as being valuable enough to warrant trading.

I agree with most of this.

Still don't like the idea of trading Dumba. I don't think I'd have him that high on my list. I know you can't break up Brodin-Soucy, but I'd be interested to see what Soucy-Dumba looks like at some point.

I think Hunt should be gone, or Seeler. On top of Pateryn definitely being gone. Basically move two defensemen (so if you do end up moving Brodin or Dumba, only move Pateryn).

Ultimately it does depend on what's available and what you can get. I'm also not convinced that Guerin/Leipold will pull the trigger on moving Zucker, even if it might be the best thing to do.

 

[Bazeek]

I agree with most of this.

Still don't like the idea of trading Dumba. I don't think I'd have him that high on my list. I know you can't break up Brodin-Soucy, but I'd be interested to see what Soucy-Dumba looks like at some point.

I think Hunt should be gone, or Seeler. On top of Pateryn definitely being gone. Basically move two defensemen (so if you do end up moving Brodin or Dumba, only move Pateryn).

Ultimately it does depend on what's available and what you can get. I'm also not convinced that Guerin/Leipold will pull the trigger on moving Zucker, even if it might be the best thing to do.

I would consider the Options list very fluid and don't disagree with your points. 4 beers has been enough to make me forget that Seeler and Pateryn are even on the team, so take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[AKL]

I would consider the Options list very fluid and don't disagree with your points. 4 beers has been enough to make me forget that Seeler and Pateryn are even on the team, so take it all with a grain of salt.

I often forget they're on the team after 0 beers, honestly.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I think we have to move Zucker for the best possible value. I still think we have to take a long look at RNH. If we can extend him at a good price, I.e. under 7, then he could be a really good player to buy low on, while also getting a second chance to sell high on Zucker. RNH is having a tough year, but his top 4 linemates this season are: Neal, Chaisson, Khaira, and Kassian (5v5). His ice time is also a bit down in general compared to last years. I think given a top 6 role on mn with much better wingers, he could be a good 60 point center.

Parise-Staal-Zuccarello
Fiala-RNH-Kaprizov
Geek
Foligno-Sturm-Hartman

top6 d

literally anyone in net

If we insist on making the playoffs, drafting 16 would give us a chance to get a center like Zary, who could be a 1b center on a good team someday.

3 years from now, post expansion draft:

fiala-RNH-Kaprizov
Greenway-Boldy-Kunin
Beckman-Zary-Zuccarello
Parise-Khovanov-Hartman

Suter-Spurgeon
Soucy-Dumba(Brodin to Seattle)
Belpedio-Menell

obviously the lines aren’t set in stone, but the general players are the same. I still think getting a higher pick would be better for this team, but adding a stop-gap top 6 center is so so essential.

 

[57special]

Not an RNH fan, here. In any event, don't see EDM trading any top 6 forwards.

 

[Bazeek]

Not an RNH fan, here. In any event, don't see EDM trading any top 6 forwards.

Agreed, sort of. I don't think we're in a position to be turning our noses up at any semi-available top-6 centers under the age of 30, but overall I think the Oilers are more motivated to keep RNH than we are to acquire him.

 

[57special]

I'd rather bet on acquiring more young C talent of the Khovanov/Beckman ilk, and hope we hit gold on one of them. We know what RNH is...he is not a #1C. Stay as competitive as we can, but try to pick up draft choices in trades.

I just don't think that we can trade for a young, or in their prime #1C unless it is at a ruinous cost.

 

[AKL]

I'd rather bet on acquiring more young C talent of the Khovanov/Beckman ilk, and hope we hit gold on one of them. We know what RNH is...he is not a #1C. Stay as competitive as we can, but try to pick up draft choices in trades.

I just don't think that we can trade for a young, or in their prime #1C unless it is at a ruinous cost.

You don't want RNH because you know he's not a 1C, but let's wait for Khovanov (still at least one year away from being an NHL player, let alone a top 6 center) and Beckman (not even a center)?

 

[2Pair]

I'd rather bet on acquiring more young C talent of the Khovanov/Beckman ilk, and hope we hit gold on one of them. We know what RNH is...he is not a #1C. Stay as competitive as we can, but try to pick up draft choices in trades.

I just don't think that we can trade for a young, or in their prime #1C unless it is at a ruinous cost.

Putting numbers on it is silly. The Wild need to find 2 centers that are better than Eriksson Ek and they need to do so soon. Obviously they need to continue trying to find guys like that in the draft, but they certainly can't sit around and hope that 18-19 year old kids will step into those roles in the next few years.

 

[Bazeek]

You don't want RNH because you know he's not a 1C, but let's wait for Khovanov (still at least one year away from being an NHL player, let alone a top 6 center) and Beckman (not even a center)?

Yeah, Khovanov's still a long shot at best and he's better than most prospects you'll see available for trade. Maybe if you pushed hard for someone like Studnicka, but I doubt the Bruins would be willing to part with him.

There aren't any "good" options with this. If there were the problem would've been solved a decade ago.

 

[AKL]

Yeah, Khovanov's still a long shot at best and he's better than most prospects you'll see available for trade. Maybe if you pushed hard for someone like Studnicka, but I doubt the Bruins would be willing to part with him.

There aren't any "good" options with this. If there were the problem would've been solved a decade ago.

Would love to pry Studnicka from the Bruins. Weren't they interested in Zucker last year as well? I know they were interested in Staal. Obviously Staal for Studnicka won't happen unless the Wild sit bottom 5 at the trade deadline (and even then, Boston probably says no), but if we could somehow get Studnicka for Zucker, hoo boy that would be great.

But like you said, I doubt the Bruins are willing to part, considering their future at center is slightly brighter than ours.