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Like any gambler you need to know when to bluff vs fold................this team isn't winning this year
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Like any gambler you need to know when to bluff vs fold................this team isn't winning this year
gojetsgo
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Proven by every single cup winner the last decade.
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I agree. This is the same team that fought for first pretty much the whole season so far and looked like they were doing it the right way.
We didn't get the haul that some wished for, but if we can get healthy and get back to systems, I like what we added.
I'm going to stay positive and enjoy the run, I sure hope we can get back to what made us successful
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It’s too bad Apples and Harkins couldn’t take that step to be consistent 30 point guys. I’m hopeful for Barron as I like him but I feel he’s a stretch to get there too?
I don't disagree with you. The good thing about sports , is your future and self worth isn't dependent on how your sports team does. Or at least it shouldn't be.
For me I have fun with it all roll with the punches. I can see both sides of the load up, and don't piss away your future debate. But in honesty I would have done what Chevy has done. Prop up the now as best you can without being reckless with your future. Every single team in the mid tier of the NHL did the very same thing. The rich bought, the poor sold and the middle class held tight.
you need a top 6 that doesn’t get blown out of the water Like they have. You go nowhere at all without that. The bottom 6 definitely can play better. Getting Gagner and Kulman is a great start even if Namestnikov is one of the replacements. But to put the bottom 6 as a bigger problem than the top 6 when at least they have been treading water is quiet frankly ridiculous.
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Kessel was on Pittaburghs third line in b2b wins.
Look at our 17-18 team. We had two 40 point scorers in the bottom 6 and moat everyone else paced 30 points. You need depth scoring. I can't remember the last time a cup winning team won on the strength of their top 6 alone.
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the fact that you said kuhlman is a great start tells me everything I need to know about this conversation...
Barron and Fjallby both give me hope. I guess we will see
I think the difference is the way they were playing and not just player performance.
Our systems were shit for a lot of that time
17 - 18 was far and away the best bottom 6 we ever had. We had Little and Matty P on the 4th and this was huge for us.
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This is how I look at it -
The team will need to get back on track - and Chevy added a couple of pcs that will help where the help was needed.
So, it's up to the players and the core that got them there (Chevy paraphrasing) - they looked like a contender earlier on so let's get back to that point.
There is no reason why we can't - and we can come out of the west if that happens - and that wouldn't be a long shot prediction.
bad writing. I meant I see getting him and Gagne out of the lineup (I’m guessing/hoping) when Namestnikov and Perfetti are back.
That is where he played at 5 on 5. Just because he got a boat load of pp time and got double shifted occasionally doesn't change where he predominantly lined up.
As I said that team had proven players on it that played during our contending window a few years later. 28 year old Wheeler, 28 year old Buff, 31 year old Enstrom, 27 year old Little, 28 year old Perreault. Also:
- Scheif was already a proven 2nd line centre at 21 or 22 years of age
-Trouba was a 21-year old top-4 defenseman in his 2nd year already.
-25 year old top-4 d-man in Myers.
-Ehlers was one of the top prospects in the league ripping it up in junior (better than any of our current prospects)
-Hellybuyck was ripping it up in the US and the AHL for 3 consecutive seasons as one of the top-2 goalie prospects in the NHL.
-Morrissey was one of the best d prospects in the league at 19-20 years of age.
Not sure why you type up PLD as he is a player I said would be traded for a first plus.
We have no goalie in the organization approaching hellybucyk's pre-nhl numbers. Young d-man like heinola and Samberg don't approach the abilities of young Morrissey or Trouba. Scheifele, Ehlers, and 2015 drafted Connor are almost certainly better than the likes of Perfetti, Lucius and McGroaty.
This team has also has core players that are much older than that core - 37 year old Wheeler, 30-year old Scheif, three thirty plus year old d-man. Therein lies one of the problems.
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I guess Perfetti or Nino will be on third line and are 40 point guys. Then Lowry Namestnikov only around 25 point guys. Our fourth line is even more of an issue as far as scoring depth. They are decent players but not scorers.
Lowry Namestnikov on our fourth line would mean we’re true cup contenders.
looking at Dec 31 2022 as the unofficial halfway mark
both the bottom-6 and top-6 have under-performed from Jan-1 onward from where they were in the first half, however, bottom-6 is way worse
i grouped players in top-6 or bottom-6 and tallied their goals
beg of year - dec 31 2022 37 gp
top-6: 71 goals - 1.92 gpg
bottom-6: 29 goals - 0.78 gpg
since Jan-1-2023 - 24 gp
top-6: 43 goals 1.79 gpg (-0.13 gpg difference)
bottom-6: 11 goals 0.45 gpg (-0.33 gpg difference)
i did this v quickly, and i know gagner and appleton rotated a bit between top-6 and bottom-6 in the first half. but they were marked under bottom-6 (Appleton had 1 goal from lowry and connor on a line change i am guessing). i did include Appletons pp goal against the Avs in the top-6 though since he was top line w/ kc and scheif. but overall i think the difference might be a couple goals at most?
Just to further the point of lack of depth-scoring....
the Jets have the least amount of 10+ goal scorers with 5. tied with MTL, NSH and MIN
most is SEA w/ 12, VGK w/ 11 and BOS/CAR w/ 10
both the bottom-6 and top-6 have under-performed from Jan-1 onward from where they were in the first half, however, bottom-6 is way worse
i grouped players in top-6 or bottom-6 and tallied their goals
beg of year - dec 31 2022 37 gp
top-6: 71 goals - 1.92 gpg
bottom-6: 29 goals - 0.78 gpg
since Jan-1-2023 - 24 gp
top-6: 43 goals 1.79 gpg (-0.13 gpg difference)
bottom-6: 11 goals 0.45 gpg (-0.33 gpg difference)
i did this v quickly, and i know gagner and appleton rotated a bit between top-6 and bottom-6 in the first half. but they were marked under bottom-6 (Appleton had 1 goal from lowry and connor on a line change i am guessing). i did include Appletons pp goal against the Avs in the top-6 though since he was top line w/ kc and scheif. but overall i think the difference might be a couple goals at most?
Just to further the point of lack of depth-scoring....
the Jets have the least amount of 10+ goal scorers with 5. tied with MTL, NSH and MIN
most is SEA w/ 12, VGK w/ 11 and BOS/CAR w/ 10
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