GDT: Trade Deadline week around the league

[FreshSeabass]

Here’s a idea just for funzies. We get Hayes, JVR , and TDA in one swoop from the flyers. Get a scoring winger, middle 6 center, and offensive defenseman. Dont know how the money would work. Maybe some retention on Hayes. Besides the riots if we re-acquire TDA what do we think?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Especially with over $10 million in cap space that's burning a hole in our FO's pocket.

I'm worried we might make a move just to make a move for our top 6, and we get this year's Max Domi. I take some comfort in Dundon and Waddell separately saying they aren't gonna make a trade just to make a trade, but desperation can do crazy things.

I'm sure they'll do something, but it might not be a very popular player (Boeser maybe?).

The Domi trade specifically was because they didn't have cap space lol, and they only gave up an NCAA defenseman who has a grand total of 3 glorious points this season. Those two game 7 goals pretty much paid off that meager investment. This is the complete opposite situation and similar to the Trocheck/Skjei deadline. They made both of those deals on the very day of the deadline.

 

[User13452]

Here’s an idea just for funzies. We get Hayes, JVR , and TDA in one swoop from the flyers. Get a scoring winger, middle 6 center, and offensive defenseman. Dont know how the money would work. Maybe some retention on Hayes. Besides the riots if we re-acquire TDA what do we think?

Seems like a pipe dream

 

[The Stranger]

Replying to this quote from @cptjeff in a locked thread:

Again, here's your regular reminder that teams that make big deadline adds lose in the playoffs at effectively the same rate as those who don't. It's insanely hard to win a cup, and deadline additions barely move the needle. Paying big for a big add is a sucker's game and always has been.

Thinking about TDL adds in the context of improving odds of winning the SC is interesting. If you look at the money puck website, it has the Canes as the favorite with a 16.9% chance today...theee favorite. If they would've added Meier, what would the odds have increased to?

I've heard it suggested that the technology adoption S curve could be a model for trade deadline acquisitions increasing a team's chances of winning. For a team like the Canes...they are already on the upper right-hand of the curve and therefore would not move much regardless of the add. For other teams in the middle of the curve, they may see their chances move more with a big add like say Meier.

On the other hand, the 2006 run and the additional of Weight and Recchi...I don't think the Canes win that year without those additions...powerful anecdote from a Cane's fan perspective.

 

[Brock Anton]

Here’s a idea just for funzies. We get Hayes, JVR , and TDA in one swoop from the flyers. Get a scoring winger, middle 6 center, and offensive defenseman. Dont know how the money would work. Maybe some retention on Hayes. Besides the riots if we re-acquire TDA what do we think?

I don't really have an interest in any of the three (tho I'd probably take TDA back if he were a rental).

 

[moses malone 12]

They aren’t rushing but a lot of the top options are off the table. Difference makers I might add. Dundon said there’s not a lot that makes this team better and I’d argue that the players that are off the board were the ones that make the team better

they have two open roster spots. These need to be and will be filled via deadline deals.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Yeah, I think that the Canes, if they go the Trocheck/Skjei route, will acquire Chychrun (the expensive piece) and Boeser (the cheap piece). The math works for Boeser's cap hit if Chychrun is deemed to be Skjei's eventual roster successor. If they really want to go all-out budget galore, they might take on Mike Reilly for Boston's 3rd, but I think that they genuinely want to make big moves.

 

[User13452]

they have two open roster spots. These need to be and will be filled via deadline deals.

Ya but these 2 spots could be filled with for example Domi and seeler. 2 guys who aren’t gonna have much impact. I’m saying the big time impact guys have been traded already and now it’s down to the second tier guys who aren’t we likely to make a huge impact

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Chris Johnston wouldn’t be surprised if the Canes were in Chychrun. The wording is code for speculation, but from an insider.

~30:45

 

[User13452]

This is how the canes should be operating going forward in regards to how they value draft picks

 

[The Jerk Store]

Pipe dream:
Laine

Less expensive pipe dream:
Chycrun
Boeser

Reality:
EStaalo

 

[User13452]

This is how the canes should be operating going forward in regards to how they value draft picks

Saving a first round draft pick in 2025 is gonna be no good for this team

 

[NotOpie]

they have two open roster spots. These need to be and will be filled via deadline deals.

Actually they have 3. Coghlan is destined for Chicago if they add the depth defenseman we've posited. That leaves room for a scorer and a 4th liner or goalie.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

This is how the canes should be operating going forward in regards to how they value draft picks

TB is in a different spot than us. They have a goalie that is the great equalizer in any game. Until we get that, we need to be able to either draft that guy or draft other guys so we can run the best team we can in front of our goalie

TB on the other hand should sell out until Vas runs out of gas

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Chris Johnston wouldn’t be surprised if the Canes were in Chychrun. The wording is code for speculation, but from an insider.

~30:45

Chychrun makes too much sense from a cost certainty perspective. It would allow for Skjei to sign for mega bucks in UFA and for the Canes to have extra security to make a move for a winger with term.

 

[ndp]

Good read.

 

[User13452]

TB is in a different spot than us. They have a goalie that is the great equalizer in any game. Until we get that, we need to be able to either draft that guy or draft other guys so we can run the best team we can in front of our goalie

TB on the other hand should sell out until Vas runs out of gas

Not really the canes have a lot of contracts coming up and this team could have a total different look to it. You wanna use this year with the 10 million dollars available to go all and upgrade the team as best as possible

 

[Unsustainable]

Save cap, offer sheet devils players

 

[Sigurd]

The Domi trade specifically was because they didn't have cap space lol, and they only gave up an NCAA defenseman who has a grand total of 3 glorious points this season. Those two game 7 goals pretty much paid off that meager investment. This is the complete opposite situation and similar to the Trocheck/Skjei deadline. They made both of those deals on the very day of the deadline.

I guess I should've specified the difference in cap space this year versus last year with Domi (someone would bring this up after all), but my point was someone like Domi that doesn't "move the needle" (beyond game 7 against Boston).

 

[Brock Anton]

Chychrun makes too much sense from a cost certainty perspective. It would allow for Skjei to sign for mega bucks in UFA and for the Canes to have extra security to make a move for a winger with term.

Except for the fact that we'd be using the assets we need to get that "winger with term" to get Chychrun. Based on what ARZ has been asking from the start, it's just not worth it when we have other needs.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Except for the fact that we'd be using the assets we need to get that "winger with term" to get Chychrun. Based on what ARZ has been asking from the start, it's just not worth it when we have other needs.

Fiscal security is sometimes worth the steep asset price. It may well be for Carolina, depending on the return that he gets. The net effect of a Chychrun trade would be to roll over some of the contractual uncertainty from 2024 (when Aho/Necas/Jarvis/Turbo/Pesce are up) to 2025 (when only Slavin is up), and potentially give the FO an opportunity to sell high on Skjei in the 2023 offseason.

 

[MadeUpName]

Good read.

TLDR: Don't trade anyone off the team, pump up your own players and acquire at least one important piece to show your team that you think you can win

Just waiting on that third one

 

[MadeUpName]

Except for the fact that we'd be using the assets we need to get that "winger with term" to get Chychrun. Based on what ARZ has been asking from the start, it's just not worth it when we have other needs.

I think Pesce or Skjei this offseason could be the main piece in a deal for a forward. Similar to Weegar and Huberdeau being big pieces with one year left.

Maybe a rental PLD for a year or DeBrincat. Players will shake out.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

This is how the canes should be operating going forward in regards to how they value draft picks

Saving a first round draft pick in 2025 is gonna be no good for this team

By all accounts, they aren't trying to save their 1st round pick. From the last thread:

From Lebrun’s latest, Canes offered picks + 4 prospects, no Nikishin:

“The Canes tried valiantly over the past 10 days, especially. One of their final offers had six pieces in it, including a first-round pick and a second-round pick, plus prospects. But the one young player they never relented in not wanting to move is Russian blueliner Alexander Nikishin. It might have been a game-changer had Carolina included him in the package, but I don’t blame the Canes for wanting to keep him. They have big plans for him”

 

[Brock Anton]

Fiscal security is sometimes worth the steep asset price. It may well be for Carolina, depending on the return that he gets.

Chychrun is under contract for only one more year than Skjei is (and is going to command much more than Skjei when it's time to negotiate). I don't really see the long term benefits or savings here.