Got through all these pages only to finally find the only one relevant for the future: all of this is irrelevant as long as Sully is coach.
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Got through all these pages only to finally find the only one relevant for the future: all of this is irrelevant as long as Sully is coach
I'm not aaist re-signing Grzelcyk on a one year deal if they move Karlsson. It isn't a great UFA class for dmen, Chychrun is by far the stand out ad I can't see why he'd sign here.
From RW’s blog…hard to disagree with this…
“So I’m going to address the Rakell/Grzelcyk elephant in the room. I think with Rakell it is OK they didn’t move him right now. Personally, I would have been shopping him very aggressively given the market. I do think the Rantanen nonsense slowed up the market and didn’t leave a lot of runway, but that still shouldn’t have prevented a deal from happening. Dubas clearly had a high price and other teams didn’t meet it. The issue is I don’t think that price is going to be there in the summer, either. You’ll have a free agency class to contend with and it also assumes Rakell is going to continue to shoot 17.6% and juice his perceived value. I think this is likely the apex of Rakell’s trade value.
As for Grzelcyk, I think it is a real misstep to not trade him, considering what the market was out there. The entire point of signing a veteran to a one-year deal in a year you are not competing at all is to move that player. I feel like a second round pick was the floor for Grzelcyk and who knows if he could have landed a first. It isn’t really that unreasonable. Unfortunately, the Penguins have history of hanging on to defensemen with a higher perceived value than their actual value. It happened with Brooks Orpik, then Brian Dumoulin, and now Matt Grzelcyk. So I’m not going to pretend I’m not disappointed by this. At the same time it doesn’t cancel out all the good that was done.“
Someone in the comments said this about Rakell: “Like I said earlier, I know 100% there was 1 VERY strong offer. Cant really dive into that team or the prospect but it was a top 35 league wide prospect, (we have him ranked quite a bit higher than McGroarty) a 1st and a conditional 4th.”
“So I’m going to address the Rakell/Grzelcyk elephant in the room. I think with Rakell it is OK they didn’t move him right now. Personally, I would have been shopping him very aggressively given the market. I do think the Rantanen nonsense slowed up the market and didn’t leave a lot of runway, but that still shouldn’t have prevented a deal from happening. Dubas clearly had a high price and other teams didn’t meet it. The issue is I don’t think that price is going to be there in the summer, either. You’ll have a free agency class to contend with and it also assumes Rakell is going to continue to shoot 17.6% and juice his perceived value. I think this is likely the apex of Rakell’s trade value.
As for Grzelcyk, I think it is a real misstep to not trade him, considering what the market was out there. The entire point of signing a veteran to a one-year deal in a year you are not competing at all is to move that player. I feel like a second round pick was the floor for Grzelcyk and who knows if he could have landed a first. It isn’t really that unreasonable. Unfortunately, the Penguins have history of hanging on to defensemen with a higher perceived value than their actual value. It happened with Brooks Orpik, then Brian Dumoulin, and now Matt Grzelcyk. So I’m not going to pretend I’m not disappointed by this. At the same time it doesn’t cancel out all the good that was done.“
Someone in the comments said this about Rakell: “Like I said earlier, I know 100% there was 1 VERY strong offer. Cant really dive into that team or the prospect but it was a top 35 league wide prospect, (we have him ranked quite a bit higher than McGroarty) a 1st and a conditional 4th.”
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That's horrible value.
They wanted a top player and prospect(s) not a single prospect, single 1st and a conditional 4th.
No wonder they balked at it.
They’re not going to get someone’s top player or good young player in the NHL for Rakell…they’re not trading Rantanen here…but they could get a top prospect and a first…and they should have moved him while his value was at its highest…
Rakell with his cap number and production has great value. 5 million AAV in a rising cap is attractive. As to keeping him, I do that unless I get an offer that is to good to pass up. Sullivan time has come and Dubas has to know a new coach and emphasis on development is key here.
I will bet anyone on this site that Sullivan is back for the remainder of his contract or until Sid retires or wants him gone..,
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Jarry friggin sucks dude
Sullivan 100% protected Acciari and Grz.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I wanted to mention that the Devils had the 17th-ranked prospect pool, according to Scott Wheeler as of when he did the ranking for them in late January. Chase Stillman was the 13th-ranked prospect on the list. Wheeler likes him as an energy guy but doesn't think he'll be anything more than a 4th-liner. He is still only 21, though.
Wheeler did not have Max Graham listed. Graham was just drafted in the 5th-round last year. Devils fans seem to think he's more of a face-puncher than a hockey player.
They are both tall enough as players; PuckPedia lists Stillman as 6'1" and Graham as 6'3". So if they do hit their ceilings, they could be a steal. Most likely, though, the 3rd will be the most valuable piece of the Cody Glass trade.
Wheeler did not have Max Graham listed. Graham was just drafted in the 5th-round last year. Devils fans seem to think he's more of a face-puncher than a hockey player.
They are both tall enough as players; PuckPedia lists Stillman as 6'1" and Graham as 6'3". So if they do hit their ceilings, they could be a steal. Most likely, though, the 3rd will be the most valuable piece of the Cody Glass trade.
It certainly sounded like Dubas plans to compete not next year but the year after and Rakell is part of that.
Yes I know, trust his actions not his words.
Yes I know, trust his actions not his words.
Empoleon8771
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Obviously you know the people with connections to NHL organizations are people posting in comment sections on HockeyBuzz
You mean when our top line will be Rakell (age 33)— Sid (age 39) and Rust (age 34)…just stop, Dubas! lol…
OtherThingsILike
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I thought everyone knew that the goal was to try to win one more Cup with Crosby on the team.
This doesn't mean going all-in every year; instead, it means to try to gather assets to go all-in in one (or maybe two) years.
It will require some of the younglings to pan out, some free agency signings that move the needle (Marner?), shrewd trades, and a lot of luck. It almost certainly won't work out. But that's the goal.
This doesn't mean going all-in every year; instead, it means to try to gather assets to go all-in in one (or maybe two) years.
It will require some of the younglings to pan out, some free agency signings that move the needle (Marner?), shrewd trades, and a lot of luck. It almost certainly won't work out. But that's the goal.
Some people in the scouting community are on these sites, including this one…who knows
Several of the teams with the top 35 prospects weren't buyers such as the Sabres and Fishsticks. Some like Colorado were more interested in a C.
Get to work detective lol.
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HFBPens in Summer '24 : If they can get out of Rakell's deal for like a 2nd or 3rd, they should do it.
HFBPens at the Deadline '25 : A top prospect, a 1st, and a 4th? Hah! That's not nearly enough!
HFBPens at the Deadline '25 : A top prospect, a 1st, and a 4th? Hah! That's not nearly enough!
Well, this was Button’s list in February…my guess is it had to be LA with Greentree, NJ which has a couple D prospects, Van or Carolina…maybe latter ran out of time and couldn’t get it done…
Montreal Canadiens' Ivan Demidov rated No. 1 on Craig Button’s Top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects list | TSN
Montreal Canadiens blue-chipper Ivan Demidov, in the middle of a record-setting season in the KHL, is the No. 1 player on Craig Button’s top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects list.
www.tsn.ca
Empoleon8771
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If they got offered Greentree and a 1st for Rakell and said no, then yes I think it's completely warranted to be pissed at Dubas for not taking that. But again, we don't actually know what was being offered for Rakell.
I'm just more disappointed that they couldn't pull off that Nelson package from Colorado, I absolutely love Ritchie as a prospect. I would have done Rakell for that instantly, but Rakell wasn't what Colorado was looking for.
I'm just more disappointed that they couldn't pull off that Nelson package from Colorado, I absolutely love Ritchie as a prospect. I would have done Rakell for that instantly, but Rakell wasn't what Colorado was looking for.
i aint gonna click on it, but i keep finding myself reading the headline of rossis athletic story about the deadline and shaking my head in utter amazement at how he can be such a parody of himself
Dubas said the market was strong for Rakell, that there was a lot of interest from teams. That makes sense, given the season he's having and that he's under contract for three more seasons at a very affordable annual cap hit of $5 million.
"You have to do what’s right for the Pittsburgh Penguins," Dubas said. "And for us, having Rickard Rakell as part of the Pittsburgh Penguins was definitely the right thing to do as we measured it up against everything. We’re happy to have him. He’s a big part of what we do, and I know he really wants to be here."
Keeping Rickard Rakell at trade deadline part of Penguins' plan
Kyle Dubas made a slew of moves ahead of Friday's trade deadline, all in an effort to put the Penguins in a better position to get back to competing for Stanley Cups. That plan did not include parting with Rickard Rakell, who's currently tied for 13th in the NHL with 29 goals.
That to me anyway reads that he didn't like the offers. I wouldn't bet on Rakell 100% being on the team next season.
Empoleon8771
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I’d put the odds on Rakell being here next year at like 70/30, it’s most likely but not obscenely so. I really don’t have a firm idea for what Dubas is planning on doing this offseason.
I wouldn’t be surprised for him to sell more or pivot to try to contend and throw a mega deal at Marner. Neither path would be surprising.
I wouldn’t be surprised for him to sell more or pivot to try to contend and throw a mega deal at Marner. Neither path would be surprising.
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Not to give credibility to Ryan Wilson blog insiders, but top 35 prospects is vague as balls. Some places list Savoie around there for example, and I wouldn’t have done that. Maybe it was Carolina with Nadeau in this make believe scenario, but I don’t think there’s any pressure to make that kind of trade yesterday.
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I just hope Dubas has the brains to dangle one of Rust or Rakell (or both!) to teams that miss out on signing big names in the first few days of FA. Don't think you're getting a draft floor deal for Rakell.
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