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Jacob said:
No issue with keeping Rakell. Sid needs a winger. Rakell can be moved at the draft, next deadline, etc.
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I've said all along if you move Rakell at the deadline or in the offseason you better have a replacement plan for someone better. The Org says they're going to make one more go at it with Sid, and I support that plan, so that's the lens I look at this through. If you can get Marner or Rantanen, or maybe Boeser or Ehlers, then Rakell is expendable. Maybe you make that deal in the summer if one of those pans out. Otherwise I think we'd be too deep in the hole in the top 6 to climb out with picks and prospects before Sid retires.
 
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Darren McCord said:
Was there any other scoring winger moved besides Marchand?I don’t count rantanen

Honest question. Like maybe he was offered the equivalent of a 2nd? People would have freaked out.
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Look at what we got for Beauvillier and Glass. We definitely got offered a 1st. Probably a 1st and 3rd or something like that (purely a guess)
 
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DesertPenguin said:
I've said all along if you move Rakell at the deadline or in the offseason you better have a replacement plan for someone better. The Org says they're going to make one more go at it with Sid, and I support that plan, so that's the lens I look at this through. If you can get Marner or Rantanen, or maybe Boeser or Ehlers, then Rakell is expendable. Maybe you make that deal in the summer if one of those pans out. Otherwise I think we'd be too deep in the hole in the top 6 to climb out with picks and prospects before Sid retires.
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This is exactly it. Everyone assuming they are about to go full Sabres or Hawks isn't paying attention.
 
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My gut is that the package Dubas wanted for Rakell was something like Top 20-25 NHL ready prospect, another upper mid level close-ish to NHL ready prospect (like Pono), and a first. Now, Dallas and Colorado went elsewhere (and maybe Florida as well), I don't think Rakell's quite worth it for Buffalo at this point, LA's pool of young assets is thin, and Carolina simply won't part with their young top end talent period. My guess is the sticking point was the Top 25 guy and I'll openly wonder if Dallas and Pittsburgh were headed to a deal before Rantanen came up.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
The Pens traded Guentzel last year.

Could it be that the common denominator is that trading an impending FA with no financial commitments beyond this year is easier than trading a player with 3 years of term?
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I'll wait and see what Dubas says in his presser.

Still feels like a miss to get out of Rakell's contract for any net value.
 
Jacob said:
No issue with keeping Rakell. Sid needs a winger. Rakell can be moved at the draft, next deadline, etc.

I’m warming up to Dewar and Timmins. No long-term commitment and if one or both ends up being a fit they’re a cheap QO. Assume both go unqualified.
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I’m so tired of this rationale of “Sid needs a winger.” Spare me with that crap. He’s got Rust (who he loves playing with). So if Rakell was Malkin’s linemate it’s cool to trade him but because he plays with Sid you have to keep him around. Also… if “Sid needs a winger,” is part of the reason they didn’t move him today…. why would they then turn around and trade him at the draft or this offseason?!?!? That makes absolutely no sense
 
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displacedpensfan said:
My gut is that the package Dubas wanted for Rakell was something like Top 20-25 NHL ready prospect, another upper mid level close-ish to NHL ready prospect (like Pono), and a first. Now, Dallas and Colorado went elsewhere (and maybe Florida as well), I don't think Rakell's quite worth it for Buffalo at this point, LA's pool of young assets is thin, and Carolina simply won't part with their young top end talent period. My guess is the sticking point was the Top 25 guy and I'll openly wonder if Dallas and Pittsburgh were headed to a deal before Rantanen came up.
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wat. I can't imagine the asking price was this high. A blue chipper, an almost-blue chipper, and a first? Doubtful IMO
 
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Gurglesons said:
Nah. This reminds me of the Carter signing where half of you guys (the same ones calling me out right now) were like great signing, 40+ pt center, blah blah blah.

Dubas missed on getting a focused return for Jake last year and him not getting out of the Rakell contract this year is another miss.

Novak trade A+ especially with the Schenn deal.

Beau, Glass. Fine 2nd and 3rd you'll take it.

Adding Dewar and Timmins. Whatever.

Petts trade A+ especially with Desharnais.

Dubas did fine, but if you want a Washington or Boston style turn around you don't fall in love with a player like Rakell at 32 having a career season. You get out of it. Same thing with Rust this summer as soon as his trade protection is gone.

I'll wait and see what Dubas does this summer. He's had a decent year since the Guentzel trade, but he is still directionless.

B- / C+ is above average. That's what Dubas did this deadline.

Boston did what we should do. No legacy, no attachment, move the big dogs and bring in fresh voices.
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Boston moved Brad Marchand, a franchise icon, for the same price as Anthony Beauvillier.

Come on, man.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Anyhow, still think it was really funny that the guy we explicitly wanted back in the Guentzel trade was traded a year later.
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Yeah this one has me laughing a lot, lately. Acting like taking back a "roster component" in the trade was smart just never flew with me. Plus I didn't at all want that roster player.

Let me just reiterate here that... no... I don't "hate" the Jake trade and am more comfortable with it after the year Koi is having since I know talking about it in anything less than glowing terms sends a lot of you into a spiral.
 
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DesertPenguin said:
I've said all along if you move Rakell at the deadline or in the offseason you better have a replacement plan for someone better. The Org says they're going to make one more go at it with Sid, and I support that plan, so that's the lens I look at this through. If you can get Marner or Rantanen, or maybe Boeser or Ehlers, then Rakell is expendable. Maybe you make that deal in the summer if one of those pans out. Otherwise I think we'd be too deep in the hole in the top 6 to climb out with picks and prospects before Sid retires.
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I dunno, I guess Sid has earned the right to have people fluff him and tell him we're going to take one more bite at the apple, but why stop at these half measures then? This is why I'm happy with the deadline, but not terribly impressed by it. Again, a good draft performance or some really savvy reimagining of the team would help, but we all know why that won't happen and its first name starts with M.
 
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I do wonder how many contenders just sat this deadline out due to the insane prices some teams were paying and basically decided Rakell's price was too rich for where they thought they were as a team.

Can't fault them after seeing Tampa, Colorado, Edmonton (to a lesser extent) and Dallas spend a ton and get way better. I'm more surprised that no one in the Metro did anything of note, it looks wide open and both Carolina and NJ (due to Hughes' injury) got worse.
 
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BobCole said:
wat. I can't imagine the asking price was this high. A blue chipper, an almost-blue chipper, and a first? Doubtful IMO
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I imagine it was a “pick two” situation. Give me a 1st and someone who is young / good or give me two young / good players. All 3 seems a bit nuts, but these prices were insane.
 
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Gurglesons said:
I'll wait and see what Dubas says in his presser.

Still feels like a miss to get out of Rakell's contract for any net value.
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And if he hits 40 goals this year a gym will slober all over him in the summer because it’s a shiny number.

Wouldn’t surprise me to see the canes bounced in round one and then trade for him. Call up Lou and he probably will give you a first in the summer lol
 
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I have no concrete evidence to support it but I gotta imagine Dubas had his pick of probably 4 or 5 legit deals and just wanted to get a king's ransom for Rakell, so he didn't pull the trigger. It doesn't kill the franchise or cripple the post-Sid years or anything but this team should be all about getting as many quality assets for the future as possible. More lotto tickets the better.

I dunno, I'd have retained on Rakell to get like a 1st + Clarke from LA. Cap doesn't matter anymore aside from extracting value.

Unless the goal is to throw an obscene offer sheet at some RFA but nobody jumps out at me, then sign Marner and Chychrun to some insane deals this July. If that's the case, I dunno. Good luck, but that's volatile as shit and while I really like Marner, I do not think he's the guy you place at your team's foundation and build around. At all.
 
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MrBrightside said:
Marchand only got a 2nd. Jake didn't get a 1st last year. Unless you're a Rantanen, not many wingers fetch 1st round picks, especially not guys like Rakell who are fairly one-dimensional and on the wrong side of 30. Trading him just to trade him is one thing, but the usual Andy bitchers and moaners who are certain they could have gotten a top 10 pick and an elite young player really have no idea.
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It says conditional 1st on main page headline now. I'm not scrolling through that mess though. Site still slow.
 
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