Confirmed with Link: Trade deadline thread

[Guins71]

Dubas drafted Matthew Knies, who Leafs fans insisted would not be available for Rantanen.

And that’s about the only pick that’s panned out other than Robertson

 

[Jaded-Fan]

if there were truly great offers, they would have traded him. Not really that hard to understand.

Exactly.

If Dubas showed anything today it is that he was very open to trades.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I'd give it a B+. Dubas got good value for the pieces he did move

Yeah, I don't think anyone can honestly rate it higher than that or maybe an A- if you're the kind of person who puts a lot of stock in keeping Sid happy. But it's been a good deadline and fleecing Trotz simply felt good to me.

I am going to put this on the record though, we are absolutely NOT going to trade Rust or Rackell in the offseason and it's going to bite us in the ass.

 

[Fogel]

So what level of Rakell deal would have been satisfactory if he was dealt today? 2nd rounder that could turn into a 1st?

 

[Malkinstheman]

Dubas gets a 2nd for Beau: Eh 2nds are whatever

Dubas doesn't trade Rakell: Eh he should have gotten a conditional 2nd for a 70 point winger

Pick a lane bruh

 

[HandshakeLine]

Good news! They're gonna build a team around propping up Sullivan's legacy next!

Oh boy.

 

[BobCole]

My guess is that is more realistic scenario than him turning down an offer that included a bunch of 6th round picks, no?

Not like there's a ton of middle ground between these two...

 

[Empoleon8771]

Again… if so many teams were interested in him, with the market the way it was, I find it very hard to believe a team didn’t offer him a 1st and someone like Clarke. Or a 2nd and someone like Clarke. I think the true reality is that Dubas (and the Penguins in general) never really wanted to move him so they set such an astronomical price that if it got met they could say “well when you get an offer of that quality you can’t say no.”

A rebuttal here: if that was actually offered, Rakell would have been traded.

I completely believe Rakell was getting great value offers, easily a 1st+. But if Dubas wanted the headliner to be something like Clarke and no one was offering something like Clarke, why should he just cave and take whatever other teams are willing to pay?

I was very adamant about this in the past day or so before the deadline, if you weren't getting offered a piece on par with Ritchie or better (using him because he was the best piece moved at the deadline IMO), you shouldn't trade Rakell. Rakell could have been getting great value offers but not what Dubas was looking for, which makes it warranted for Dubas to say no to those deals IMO.

 

[Gurglesons]

Saying he is directionless is just dishonest at this point.

Rebuilding teams don't hang onto 32 year olds when they can move them out.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah the way I look at it is that Dubas would only get an A if he didn't do anything warranted complaining about. I don't necessarily agree with complaining about him not trading Rakell, but the complaint is warranted with how the market was.

What he did was fantastic, but what he didn't do took it down from an A. Still a very good deadline nonetheless, gaining multiple 2nds and 3rds for basically dogshit is great.

I think people are sort of conditioned by how BAD our deadlines have been that they overreacted a bit here.

 

[SomeDude]

I am kind of tired of building a team around propping up Sid's legacy, NGL.

I’m really not sure that’s what’s happening, though. Otherwise Jake would have been re-signed.

They keep moving guys and he keeps making it work with next man up. Eventually that’s going to run out, but I don’t think Sid had anything to do with not moving Rakell today. That’s on Dubas for either betting he can get more in the summer, or being foolish enough to think Rakell can be part of the turn around here.

 

[IcedCapp]

A 1st and a sure fire young player (middle-6 forward, middle pairing dman) was the absolute floor for the deal, especially when you look at what bums got. Raks was the best “with term” player available

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I am become Shiva, destroyer of threads.

Nice reference.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I really thought Dubas had seen the light last year when he moved Jake at the TDL.

Nope.. luck shined on his keister giving him a glorious market for a very inconsistent overaged player and he reverses himself once again.

Dude doesn't have a plan.

 

[Jacob]

No issue with keeping Rakell. Sid needs a winger. Rakell can be moved at the draft, next deadline, etc.

I’m warming up to Dewar and Timmins. No long-term commitment and if one or both ends up being a fit they’re a cheap QO. Assume both go unqualified.

 

[Turin]

Exactly.

If Dubas showed anything today it is that he was very open to trades.

Everyone said he was available for the right price. If you don’t get the price, you don’t just give him away. Dubas last year didn’t get his price for Eller, come October next year he did. You set a price according to the market, you can’t force other teams to pay it even if it makes sense for them. LA decided to settle for Kuzmenko, that’s their prerogative.

 

[DesertPenguin]

So what level of Rakell deal would have been satisfactory if he was dealt today? 2nd rounder that could turn into a 1st?

1st and an A prospect, based on the prices paid today.

 

[domaug]

I would say this gets a B+ from me. Nothing crazy happened and they got good value for players that weren't going to be contributing to the team next year.

I refrained from giving an A- because they probably could've moved Grzelcyk if they wanted to. I'm guessing they want to try to keep him (mistake IMO) or they didn't prioritize finding another team to take him.

I'm not too sad about them not trading Rakell because, again, we don't know what was getting offered for him. Yeah, MAYBE his value is at the highest it could ever be, but that's also an assumption and they can still get a solid return in the offseason when there are more potential suitors.

 

[BillyOcean]

Not like there's a ton of middle ground between these two...

Knowing what other players went for at the deadline this year, what is your best guess?

 

[Gurglesons]

Don't gaslight us. You would have lost your mind on Dubas had he traded Rakell for a conditional second.

Not at all. Rakell was largely viewed as unmmovable heading into this season. Penguins fans having gold fish brain once again thinking his value is going to go up in a market with UFA is fun.

I'll eat my words if he moves him for a 1st from here, just don't see it happening.

Jake is a totally different player.

 

[MrBrightside]

Marchand only got a 2nd. Jake didn't get a 1st last year. Unless you're a Rantanen, not many wingers fetch 1st round picks, especially not guys like Rakell who are fairly one-dimensional and on the wrong side of 30. Trading him just to trade him is one thing, but the usual Andy bitchers and moaners who are certain they could have gotten a top 10 pick and an elite young player really have no idea.

 

[BobCole]

I think the part of Rakell that many are overlooking is the remaining term on his deal. Easier to move a guy like that in the offseason.

 

[chethejet]

Lets see at the draft what happens. Dubas clearly knows a top 5-7 pick is in play and maybe Rangers pick as well. the adds in the trades today just add to the mix. You can get lucky with a Jake or Letang in say round 3 so more picks more chances. Dubas isn't going full tank here with Sid here for 2 more years. Plus a forward group if Sid, Rust, RR, gives the Pens enough play to let some of the prospect next year play.

 

[Darren McCord]

Was there any other scoring winger moved besides Marchand?I don’t count rantanen

Honest question. Like maybe he was offered the equivalent of a 2nd? People would have freaked out.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Not sure why you would feel any other way.

Dubas had the advantage of teams paying a ton this deadline. He did good work on a few perphiary deals.

If he was serious about rebuilding this team, look at what Boston did. That's the goal.

The Pens traded Guentzel last year.

Could it be that the common denominator is that trading an impending FA with no financial commitments beyond this year is easier than trading a player with 3 years of term?