Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[old kummelweck]

I went and removed everyone from my ignore list last week. I am now seeing that was a mistake.

 

[OkimLom]

Sabres (66 points) are anywhere from the 18th-22nd team in the league.

What I find crazy is that so many posters and fans think the Sabres are 1-2 players away from a contender. We aren't. We need 10 more points right now to be in that conversation. If we were sitting at 76 points right now, we would be in 10th place and my expectation would be for KA to 'Go for it' and leverage future assets to win now.

I love this season, but I won't let a bunch of couch GMs convince me anything but this season as a success.

We are currently on a 90 point pace for the season. The Current Wild Card teams for the Eastern Conference are on a 89-95 point pace. We have more than a good opportunity to make the playoffs. Asking for a minor investment into improving our already young team to help them at a time of the year of playoff push/opportunity, shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Nobody on these boards is asking anybody to accept this season as anything but a success. In fact, a lot of those that want to see movement from Adams, is trying to show that they want to bank this success, and try to bet with some house money for further success. Even if we don't end up where we want, at least they tried, and they showed some care into what this season has become.

I've seen teams building their roster where they block young prospects from helping, I'm not sure I've seen any team ever build a roster blocking themselves from improving upon themselves. It's a sight to behold.

 

[Bendium]

Really? You don't think Boston, Tampa or TO are falling off in the next 5 years? If not, I have a futures bet I'll place with you. Matthews is gone, Tavares retired, Marchand gone, Stamkos gone. None of these teams have their 1st round picks. They're going to be trash come 2027 while Ottawa DRW and us run the division.

This just isn't the year to be buyers. Relax everyone. Youngest team in the league. We will most likely lean towards the buyers/contending side of things the next 5 years.

Totally disagree. Your placing such a huge value on first round picks. Those teams have plans for how to retool as they move on from those players. They will move some people to recover some assets. Good teams usually have good GM's behind them that know how to navigate these waters.

I have found in this world people tend to fall in two categories. Shiners, and underminers. Underminers spend all their time focused on other people, trying to raise their relative level by bringing others down. Shiners are focused on themselves, constantly looking to improve themselves.

Trying to set yourself up to take advantage of when you expect others to fall is totally underminer mentality.

Those teams may have a few retooling years where they struggle some, but they won't be tanking like Buffalo did.

 

[Zip15]

Thought about that all last time. I'm 33, and the Bruins have been good basically my entire adult life, dating back to the late 00's.

In fact, I tweeted about this:

I know people don't like the cross-sports comparison, but we are the Orioles right now. Great system. Stud prospects not on the top roster and really good young roster players who aren't going to be cheap for long. Making strides in terms of wins and losses. But management and ownership cannot just sit around and wait for those guys to get expensive and/or leave. Both teams are in divisions with huge market teams that can outrun and outspend their mistakes. Both teams have razor-thin margins of error. Both teams just sit on their war chests of capital and promise their fanbases of better days ahead.

 

[Paxon]

The team literally quit 13 hours ago

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

I think that is fair. I just don't see him being worth a 1st, is all.

Totally agree. Latest 2nd and a conditional 6th or 7th would probably be my limit

 

[Gabrielor]

I know people don't like the cross-sports comparison, but we are the Orioles right now. Great system. Stud prospects not on the top roster and really good young roster players who aren't going to be cheap for long. Making strides in terms of wins and losses. But management and ownership cannot just sit around and wait for those guys to get expensive and/or leave. Both teams are in divisions with huge market teams that can outrun and outspend their mistakes. Both teams have razor-thin margins of error. Both teams just sit on their war chests of capital and promise their fanbases of better days ahead.

This tweet summarizes my thoughts.

If you're an asset in the Buffalo war chest, and you aren't on this list, you're 100% available right now to improve the team.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

You know you done f***ed up when Paxon is tired of the hyperbolic statements to prove that Adams has been lazy.

Nobody is happy Adams hasn’t done anything, you don’t need to say some outlandish shit to justify it.

 

[Gabrielor]

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

and it isn't like we haven't run up a few scores (LAK, STL)

 

[BUCKSHOT]

I went and removed everyone from my ignore list last week. I am now seeing that was a mistake.

for 17 years I've had zero on my list ... 2 months ago I started adding, I'm running double digits and adding by the day the past week

 

[sabremike]

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

To be fair I think he is referring to the last few minutes of the game where they absolutely did quit and hung poor UPL out to dry.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

Kennedy family made their money bootlegging in Boston :: Pasta signs an 11.5m a year deal :: Someone put weights on Rosen when he was a kid that stunted his growth. It's all connected!

 

[Ace]

I know people don't like the cross-sports comparison, but we are the Orioles right now. Great system. Stud prospects not on the top roster and really good young roster players who aren't going to be cheap for long. Making strides in terms of wins and losses. But management and ownership cannot just sit around and wait for those guys to get expensive and/or leave. Both teams are in divisions with huge market teams that can outrun and outspend their mistakes. Both teams have razor-thin margins of error. Both teams just sit on their war chests of capital and promise their fanbases of better days ahead.

I’m willing to bet the Orioles have a far more well rounded prospect group.

we have elite outfielders and one catcher. No pitchers coming…no infielders to do the hard work of picking balls out of the dirt.

 

[zenthusiast]

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

It definitely looked different to me in that last 5 minutes. Compare it to the game where they got blitzed by Toronto and it’s night and day.

 

[michaelsaas]

How likely are the countless things that had to go right (like Florida collapsing) for us to be in this position going to happen again next season?

Obviously just my opinion, but there are so many variables with every team that I think it is impossible to predict. Does FL get back in shape? Does Pitt and Wash continue to decline? Does another high powered team collapse? Does CBUS surprise everyone?

I do think if we take advantage of the cap, teams wanting to recoup draft pics, and our continued development in the offseason we should be a playoff team. I choose to be optimistic that will happen mainly because I see no benefit for me in the opposite approach.

 

[Zip15]

This tweet summarizes my thoughts.

If you're an asset in the Buffalo war chest, and you aren't on this list, you're 100% available right now to improve the team.

And we will keep waiting. Just like O's fans were waiting for the trade that delivered the stud ace this offseason. And we Sabres fans will keep hearing excuses about internal development, high acquisition costs, etc. Then we will get the NHL equivalent of Kyle Gibson (Stillman) and Adam Frazier (Greenway), who were kind of good...that one time...if you squint.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I’m willing to bet the Orioles have a far more well rounded prospect group.

we have elite outfielders and one catcher. No pitchers coming…no infielders to do the hard work of picking balls out of the dirt.

Crazy how you’re equating forwards to outfielders just to prove your point to bash Adams. Just an awful comparison

 

[Ace]

If you don’t think that team last night straight up quit at the end of the game…I don’t know what to tell you.

there’s your team vibes.

Crazy how you’re equating forwards to outfielders just to prove your point to bash Adams.

Skill forwards.

thats it.

no defense
one goalie
no hard to play against forwards

Those are f***ing facts.

 

[Paxon]

To be fair I think he is referring to the last few minutes of the game where they absolutely did quit and hung poor UPL out to dry.

I agree that they quit, small q. The comment was implying they quit, big Q, like it was a reaction to the lack of trade activity and not Boston stomping on their throats.

 

[Fly Boy]

Why do you have to undercut your legitimate complaints with these ridiculous shoehornings of your complaints into everything and vice versa? It's like someone connecting everything to the Kennedy assassination. The Sabres got their asses beat and run out the building, period. It isn't exactly the first time that has happened this year.

It's the same 2 posts every time. It's either:

1. KA is lazy and doesn't do anything.
2. ______ did _______ for the Buffalo Sabres. (In the main boards GDT)

Luckily it seems just like in the main board threads, people are starting to ignore it here as well.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Totally disagree. Your placing such a huge value on first round picks. Those teams have plans for how to retool as they move on from those players. They will move some people to recover some assets. Good teams usually have good GM's behind them that know how to navigate these waters.

I have found in this world people tend to fall in two categories. Shiners, and underminers. Underminers spend all their time focused on other people, trying to raise their relative level by bringing others down. Shiners are focused on themselves, constantly looking to improve themselves.

Trying to set yourself up to take advantage of when you expect others to fall is totally underminer mentality.

Those teams may have a few retooling years where they struggle some, but they won't be tanking like Buffalo did.

Agree with most of this, but I also think folks overvalue deadline acquisitions FAR more than they overvalue 1st round picks.

 

[MOGlLNY]

If you don’t think that team last night straight up quit at the end of the game…I don’t know what to tell you.

there’s your team vibes.


Skill forwards.

thats it.

no defense
one goalie
no hard to play against forwards

Those are f***ing facts.

1. Power (elite #1)
2. Dahlin (elite #1)
3. Samuelsson (at worst an amazing #4, at best a good 3)
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6. Jokiharju (I’ll be generous to prove your point and say he’s a 6D but I’m sure you’ll pretend like he’s an AHL player because that’s what everyone has been doing)
7. Johnson (once again I’ll be nice and say he’s a 7D because you’ll claim that if I say he’s a 6D.)

Their average age is 22. Our defensive future is fine, if not elite. they’ve just all graduated. We can easily make moves for the other defenseman, or we have plenty of picks to select another one. Maybe Adams has Ryan Graves in mind for the right side as a free agent, maybe he’s heard rumors of defenseman he and his team really like coming on market in the off season.

Things are not dire, yes we are all pissed Adams hasn’t done anything, but everyone needs to log off, breathe and realize we will be okay. I feel bad for Sabres writers this week because if it’s this bad on here I can only imagine how bad Twitter is.

 

[Chainshot]

This tweet summarizes my thoughts.

If you're an asset in the Buffalo war chest, and you aren't on this list, you're 100% available right now to improve the team.

Yep. Waiting is going to leave them with no dance partners when it comes to filling their needs. They have their core, that core needs support.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Yep. Waiting is going to leave them with no dance partners when it comes to filling their needs. They have their core, that core needs support.

Unexpected players become available every off season. But in regards to this year, yes.

 

[Gras]

Mea Culpa - that's right, the rumor was that the other offers required Arizona to take on salary cap to make the deal work.

My personal opinion - that's an excuse to do right by the player and avoid the negative pushback. Arizona has never had a problem taking on player contracts, it makes no sense that this would be "the reason" they passed up better deals. They literally just took Voracek who has a base salary of $7.5M next year.

But either way, I shouldn't have stated that as fact...

Voracek is on LTIR and insurance is covering the salary, they didnt want to take back salary of actual roster players or retain on Chycs contract.