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Trade deadline talk 2024-25 (12 PM PT, 03/07)

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Irie said:
I feel like there is a bit more to this than just "get good and players will come". That used to be a real factor, but even when Tampa was good and won a cup 20 years ago, self respecting hockey players didn't really want to play in a state without a winter. That generation is gone, and the new generation of players sees the weather as an actual huge selling point for themselves or their families. Seattle will never have the draw the sunshine states have in that regard, so I feel like the comparison is a bit apples to oranges.

Now if the team becomes a contender, players would be more likely to sign here, but I feel that this is only a factor that lasts as long as the team is good, and will ebb and flow as the team's success fluctuates. I think Tampa, Florida, and Vegas are going to be a draw for the new generation of young players going forward, even as their teams drop in the standings.
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Seattle offers several advantages, but it ultimately depends on individual interests and priorities:

- No state income tax
- Proximity to the ocean, national forests, and mountains within a few hours' drive
- Close to Vancouver, BC, for local players
- While not a major hockey market, it is still a significant city
- Pleasant weather during the off-season
- A solid sports culture

The team's performance will play a crucial role in attracting prominent players. It's also essential for the organization to maintain a positive reputation among current and former players. For instance, while Vegas is currently a highly successful team, its appeal may diminish if they become mediocre or perform poorly. Players likely notice the lack of loyalty in that organization, where they are treated more as "assets" than individuals.
 
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Fistfullofbeer said:
Seattle offers several advantages, but it ultimately depends on individual interests and priorities:

- No state income tax
- Proximity to the ocean, national forests, and mountains within a few hours' drive
- Close to Vancouver, BC, for local players
- While not a major hockey market, it is still a significant city
- Pleasant weather during the off-season
- A solid sports culture

The team's performance will play a crucial role in attracting prominent players. It's also essential for the organization to maintain a positive reputation among current and former players. For instance, while Vegas is currently a highly successful team, its appeal may diminish if they become mediocre or perform poorly. Players likely notice the lack of loyalty in that organization, where they are treated more as "assets" than individuals.
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Everything you say is true, but I was more commenting on the idea that Tampa and Florida are now only player destinations because the teams are good. I do not believe that draw will fade completely away when they are less competitive. Sure, they won't be a premier destination when they aren't contenders, but I think the Florida lifestyle resonates a lot more with players than it did a couple of decades ago, and that only seems to be growing.

Seattle will experience the "contender" draw if they ever get to that level, but that will be a lot more fleeting as the team's success rises and falls, in my opinion.

Vegas is different monster completely. Many millionaire 20-something athletes will see playing in that city as a draw, no matter how the team is overall performing. The traditional small market teams will always have a hard time competing against the experience of playing and living in a city like Vegas.
 
Looks like Bjork and Gourde have a good linemate.

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Irie said:
Everything you say is true, but I was more commenting on the idea that Tampa and Florida are now only player destinations because the teams are good. I do not believe that draw will fade completely away when they are less competitive. Sure, they won't be a premier destination when they aren't contenders, but I think the Florida lifestyle resonates a lot more with players than it did a couple of decades ago, and that only seems to be growing.

Seattle will experience the "contender" draw if they ever get to that level, but that will be a lot more fleeting as the team's success rises and falls, in my opinion.

Vegas is different monster completely. Many millionaire 20-something athletes will see playing in that city as a draw, no matter how the team is overall performing. The traditional small market teams will always have a hard time competing against the experience of playing and living in a city like Vegas.
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Possibly but the Raiders haven't signed top free agents in Vegas since the move and I doubt the A's will. I think the Golden Knights is more due to the success/perennial contenders part, they've hardly had a down season yet and those with families probably don't love it as much.
 
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Scomerica said:
Possibly but the Raiders haven't signed top free agents in Vegas since the move and I doubt the A's will. I think the Golden Knights is more due to the success/perennial contenders part, they've hardly had a down season yet and those with families probably don't love it as much.
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Looking around the country with several decades of information, there is a pretty clear difference between the NFL and the NHL when it comes to cities drawing players.

I believe that it is mainly due to the extreme short turnover of NFL non guaranteed contracts and the much shorter seasons. Many NFL players maintain permanent residence in different locations than the cities where they play. NFL teams like the Buffalo bills or San Francisco 49ers(note, they play in the San Jose area out of Santa Clara 50 miles from San Francissco) do not have trouble with players not wanting to play there like their counterpart NHL franchises. The Sharks couldn't attract a premier UFA even when they were winning the presidents trophy. The difference between the draw of the New York Giants or Jets compared to the Bills is mostly non-existent when compared to rangers vs Sabres, and this goes back to when the Rangers were bad and all the Sabres star players bolted when UFAs despite having the best record in the league.

Football is such a huge draw, that players are stars no matter where they play. Hockey players in small US markets are minor celebrities at best. What this all means is that the markets between sports are vastly different and not really comparable. Time will tell if The Knights start to have recruiting issues when they sink, but they fell off a bit a couple of seasons ago and players still seemed to want to play there.

Baseball is strictly how much money you spend. If the A's had a 300 million dollar payroll budget, instead of 40 million, they would have been a premier destination too. That sport is "beyond repair" broken - it is a "buy yourself a post season spot" league, and I don't know why anyone even pays attention to it any more. If the A's payroll increases 400% and starts to come in line with the other top teams spending levels, they will be a top tiered destination in short order.
 
Brock Nelson was just traded to the Avs for Ritche (1st round 2023) and a 26 or 27 first. And Brock is a rental...

With such prices Francis better be active before the TDL closes. He can sort the rest of the mess out in the summer.
 
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I know I whined about RF not getting in on this when DET basically paid SJ a 2nd to take Walman, but seeing SJ turn around and then trade Walman to EDM for a 1st makes it sting all the more.
 
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I know I whined about RF not getting in on this when DET basically paid SJ a 2nd to take Walman, but seeing SJ turn around and then trade Walman to EDM for a 1st makes it sting all the more.
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Well, that's how a solid rebuilding team is doing business.

Taking on any money was never in the cards for us given that we were against the cap and couldn't even field a full team with the roster we started the season with.
 
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Seeing the hysteria around Rantanen (and the Brothers Tkachuk hype) I bet some GM will take a swing at Martone very early, probably before Hagens. The PF archetype is fortified catnip to NHL GMs.
 
RainyCityHockey said:
Seems like the Kings have made Brandt Clarke available.
www.prohockeyrumors.com

Kings Shopping Brandt Clarke

Could recent top 10 pick Brandt Clarke be on the move as the Kings look to upgrade their forward group? Read more at Pro Hockey Rumors.
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They want a scoring wing(McCann?).

Should we be in for this?
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Probably. But I expect Francis to be more interested in forwards that D-men.
 
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