Trade deadline talk 2024-25 (12 PM PT, 03/07)
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Quackenator
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Fistfullofbeer
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This TDL is what I am going to base Francis' future on. While I don't quite expect a blowup, if all he does is move Tanev and Gourde (even if he gets moved), then I am done with him.
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RainyCityHockey
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Would be idiotic if they weren't willing to eat 50% of the cap hit.
Anyways, it's about three more days till TDL.
I'm not expecthing too much given that it's Francis we're talking about and I don't expect much of im.
So hurry up Ronnie...
Francis is leading a weak, veteran heavy team that is going nowhere fast.
If Francis is phlegmatic and passive now, when he has serious opportunities to do something about this mess of a team, then that's damning.
Fistfullofbeer
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No doubt but I just don't see a blow up. I don't see us trading all of our vets.
Bjorkstrand
McCann
Gourde
Tanev
Oleksiak
Burakovsky
Tolvanen
Schwartz
These are players that can be potentially be traded. But I don't see more than 3 of these guys being traded. Maybe 4 at most. But this is not a blow up.
Yeah not all of them obviously. The point is Francis has a LOT of ammo to work with here.
Fistfullofbeer
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Yeah. I mean, he should use it. This team has no difference makers. Maybe Wright, in a year or two. Same with Catton in 2-3 years. Same with our pick this season in another 2-4 years. I would not be upset if any of the players in the list above is moved. I root for our team and the team sucks.
What it really comes down to if Francis willing to take some trade risks. Give away a proven NHL players like Bjorkstrand, Mccann, etc. for a potential start in a prospect. I have not seen Francis do that yet and I am not convinced he is the GM who will do so.
RainyCityHockey
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That's basically Ronnie described in two words.
Well if we don't extend him last offseason you could add Larsson to that and actually get a first round pick back.
Even with his play this season.
Though, we've got him for four more years now.
BTW: I don't expect much more than Tanev and Gourde(if at all) being traded and maybe a surprise trade of Oleksiak or Bjorkstrand(more likely than Big Rig, IMO).
Remember, the team officially seems to think we can compete next year and need our vets.
Well, you know........that sounds like anyone but Francis.
But hey, he did trade for Kakko and maybe he can surprise us(please Ronnie) again.
That's basically Ronnie described in two words.
Well if we don't extend him last offseason you could add Larsson to that and actually get a first round pick back.
Even with his play this season.
Though, we've got him for four more years now.
BTW: I don't expect much more than Tanev and Gourde(if at all) being traded and maybe a surprise trade of Oleksiak or Bjorkstrand(more likely than Big Rig, IMO).
Remember, the team officially seems to think we can compete next year and need our vets.
Well, you know........that sounds like anyone but Francis.
But hey, he did trade for Kakko and maybe he can surprise us(please Ronnie) again.
It really is alarming that they extended Larsson and signed Stephenson and Montour. Those moves are not helping short term or long term. In effect those moves put even more pressure on the GM to be something that he is not, that is nimble and creative to craft a way forward.
This team is a bottom feeder. Why pay a 30 year old guy to be the leading scorer on a bad team? In 2-3 years, maybe next year if Wright and Beniers continue to develop, he will be a hugely overpaid 3C on a forever deal.
Montour is another nice player, but what if the Kraken pick up someone like Brandt Clarke from the Kings? Then Montour will swiftly become another overpaid player on a forever contract.
I know there are a lot of weak teams in the NHL fighting for the WC spots but signing aging UFAs do have consequences, especially for a team like the Kraken who have their future ahead of them.
The team is in its 4th year for heavy sakes. You aren't going to get younger players and better talent with out it being well costly and that means giving up prospects and draft picks. Especially for those elite difference makers. The last expansion teams before vegas it took them A LOT longer to get going and in some cases still hasn't gotten going.
eh Clarke no idea what makes you think he'll suddenly make things great that we are suddenly scoring goals, and defending. He won't make that big of a huge difference as you think he will. Younger and cheaper for right shot dmens that are actually good don't exactly grow on trees. You draft and develop them.
Regarding Stephenson you do realize where the cap will be at by the time Seattle hits the back end of that contract. That 6.25m in 5 years is going to be considered pretty decent for a 3C. Teams sign players to those kind of contracts when they know the cap is going up and especially how much it'll be going up.
So seattle shouldn't be signing any FA cause they many be old or too expensive. So how is seattle suppose to get better? Getting rid of our prospect pool just to get those cheaper talented players? Rushing out prospects when they may not be actually ready?
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It's fine now, we don't have many better players. The issue is about what it will be like in a few years when the team will hopefully be more hard pressed to pay better players.
Here's a thought that just popped in my head while perusing the trade board.
Drake Batherson for Jared McCann.
Same contract and term. Batherson is super skilled, like very high end offensive potential. Two years younger.
Ottawa might be interested because McCann is the more well rounded player, more complete player. And they're trying to tighten things up in a hurry.
From Seattle's perspective, I'd want to move McCann for someone closer to 20-22 years old, but knowing our FO/ownership, I think they'd be more likely to move for someone who could conceivably pop right away.
Drake Batherson for Jared McCann.
Same contract and term. Batherson is super skilled, like very high end offensive potential. Two years younger.
Ottawa might be interested because McCann is the more well rounded player, more complete player. And they're trying to tighten things up in a hurry.
From Seattle's perspective, I'd want to move McCann for someone closer to 20-22 years old, but knowing our FO/ownership, I think they'd be more likely to move for someone who could conceivably pop right away.
Meanwhile the time to grab all the genuine talent you possible can get is now. In division rival San Jose is building an absolute wagon through the draft. In "a few years", when Celebrini et al hit their real stride, chances are they will eat the Kraken for lunch for the next 10-15 years... - unless GM Francis lays the foundation for a real Kraken team now, while he has the opportunity to do so. With a "real team" I mean a contender, not a team content with slipping into the playoffs more often than not with a middling team.
But I'm not sure why I bother. There's clearly a horde of Kraken fans who are fine with making the playoffs for two or three home games every year and that's how far their ambition goes (for now, until they get tired of losing).
Sure, the job the Caps management have done is outstanding. They seem to draft well too. As do other teams like Dallas who just keep chugging along producing top talent. The Caps booted dino coach Laviolette, brought in unproven young Carbery, gambled on PLD and reformed their blueline over one summer. Smart proactive GM work like that is kind of what I want to see from Francis.
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