GDT: TRADE DEADLINE - Pittsburgh Penguins Only

[gdsmack267]

I have hulu live but EPN + isnt included. Im going to have 14 streaming services by years end

 

[Darren McCord]

I think ERod is a capable playmaker for that line.

To add, TSN said the conditional 4th is based on games played for Carter. It sounds like the conditions are:

-3rd: goes to a 2nd if the Penguins make the cup and Carter plays in at least 50% of games
-4th: goes to a 3rd if Carter plays in at least 50 games next season

The second is what a expected because I think he will retire.

I do not think ERod is a capable playmaker. The issue with the Zucker - McCann - Erod line right now is lack of a playmaker. They score on the rush or broken plays. Infact they dont score much. McCann and Erod have gotten most of their pts on the PP.

 

[xlm34]

I'm curious to see if Hextall makes any more moves. I imagine any future moves will have to involve sending a player out, because if this team ever gets healthy, you suddenly have a ton of NHL bodies.

I'm pretty confident that the forward lineup right now is:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
McCann-Malkin-Kapanen
Zucker-Carter-Rodrigues
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev

Which leaves Scevior, Lafferty, Gaudreau, Jankowski, Zohorna amd Angello on the outside. I imagine that they don't want to risk losing Gaudreau to waivers, so I'll leave him as the 13th forward. That means you'd have to waive Sceviour, Lafferty and Jankowski and put them plus Angello and Riikola on the taxi squad. That would push O'Connor, Zohorna and Weber to WBS.

Things will really open up when the Penguins can have a black aces squad. I'm thinking that the black aces this year will have like 10-12 guys, because I imagine it would be Sceviour, Jankowski, Lafferty, Angello and Zohorna at forward, Weber, POJ and Riikola on defense and at least 1 goalie. I could also include O'Connor and Trotman as other options for that black aces squad. That's much more than what the Penguins have run with in the past IIRC.

I’m pretty cool with this being the lineup and Hextall making no more moves. If there’s something out there that brings in a clear upgrade over Rodrigues then that’d be the only other move I’d want to see made.

Although Rodrigues has been really solid lately and we have enough depth options to replace him if he starts to suck.

 

[Peat]

I wouldn't mind it but the roster is already pretty full as is. I don't know how easily they can add another forward without subtracting someone else.

Right now, the Penguins have all of Sceviour, Jankowski, Lafferty, Zohorna, Gaudreau and O'Connor as extras when healthy. Suddenly the logjam on defense doesn't look nearly as bad as the logjam at forward

You forgot Angello.

Shame WBS's record is poo as we could give them a hell of a boost for the playoffs sending guys down if ever fully fit - just they won't be there.

Part of me wonders if Hextall mightn't try to get a minor pick for one of them today, we probably don't need two whole extra lines of mostly NHL worthy bodies, even with all our injuries.

LA fans said he hasn't been as responsible and doesn't battle. I would rather put responsibilities of center duty on TB and let Carter generate shots.

Also who is playmaking on a Zucker - Carter - Erod line?

ERod. I'm not sure he's much of a downgrade if any on Blueger tbh when on form.

The second is what a expected because I think he will retire.

I do not think ERod is a capable playmaker. The issue with the Zucker - McCann - Erod line right now is lack of a playmaker. They score on the rush or broken plays. Infact they dont score much. McCann and Erod have gotten most of their pts on the PP.

I don't think that line's problem is playmaking, I think it's winning the battles that get them out of their own zone, and then winning the battles to set a cycle for their next chance.

 

[pistolpete11]

I'd prefer Gaudreau in the lineup over E-Rod, but I think this is all moot anyway. Malkin, Kap, and Tanev are still out and it doesn't sound like their return is imminent, so there will be some mixing and matching for a while. Who knows what will click immediately and what won't.

For the time being, I think you go with Zucker - McCann - Carter.

 

[SirBrad]

Do not underestimate our friend "injuries".

We are the Pittsburgh Penguins after all

My favorite thing I see written by Pens fans is "when the lineup is healthy..."

What have you been a fan for, 2 days?

 

[Empoleon8771]

You forgot Angello.

Shame WBS's record is poo as we could give them a hell of a boost for the playoffs sending guys down if ever fully fit - just they won't be there.

Part of me wonders if Hextall mightn't try to get a minor pick for one of them today, we probably don't need two whole extra lines of mostly NHL worthy bodies, even with all our injuries.

Yeah you're right, I mentioned him in my other post but forgot him in that one.

I would be fine with Hextall trying to send one of these guys out for a pick. Hell, I think he should do that with Riikola too. I think the Penguins are probably about 19 NHL caliber forwards and 11 NHL caliber D, and I don't think you really need that level of depth. Including the depth guys, they're currently at:

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
McCann-Malkin-Kapanen
Zucker-Carter-Rodrigues
ZAR-Blueger-Tanev
Sceviour-Gaudreau-Lafferty
Zohorna-Jankowski-Angello
O'Connor

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Marino
Matheson-Ceci
Riikola-Friedman
POJ-Ruhwedel
Trotman

I think that level of depth is excessive, to the point where moving on from say Lafferty and Riikola for picks would be worth it.

 

[pistolpete11]

Why would a team trade a pick for Riikola when he was just on waivers and they could have got him for free? I don't think you get anything for the Lafferty's, Jankowski's, Sceviour's either.

I don't want to see Riikola traded anyway. I think the plan in the offseason should be to move Petts or Matheson if one of them isn't taken in the ED. Then give POJ a shot at 3LD and if he doesn't take it, you have Riikola as insurance.

 

[Darren McCord]

You forgot Angello.

Shame WBS's record is poo as we could give them a hell of a boost for the playoffs sending guys down if ever fully fit - just they won't be there.

Part of me wonders if Hextall mightn't try to get a minor pick for one of them today, we probably don't need two whole extra lines of mostly NHL worthy bodies, even with all our injuries.



ERod. I'm not sure he's much of a downgrade if any on Blueger tbh when on form.



I don't think that line's problem is playmaking, I think it's winning the battles that get them out of their own zone, and then winning the battles to set a cycle for their next chance.

Erod has killed offense all year with dumb plays and passes. TB has been so much stronger and has better decision making. I will admit I didn't watch Erod in Buffalo so I dont know what he is like in form. But he is a big downgrade on TB right now.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Honestly, I want him just for your reaction.

Why? I believe that even old, vile-smelling dogs with skin disorders deserve a forever home as Good Boys.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why would a team trade a pick for Riikola when he was just on waivers and they could have got him for free? I don't think you get anything for the Lafferty's, Jankowski's, Sceviour's either.

I don't want to see Riikola traded anyway. I think the plan in the offseason should be to move Petts or Matheson if one of them isn't taken in the ED. Then give POJ a shot a 3LD and if he doesn't take it, you have Riikola as insurance.

Because Riikola not requiring waivers>Riikola requiring waivers in value. Same reason as why Toronto traded a decent prospect for Galchenyuk after Galchenyuk cleared waivers.

Riikola doesn't have value for the Penguins, even if you trade Matheson or Pettersson and want to have insurance for POJ on LD. Friedman has already surpassed Riikola on LD for the Penguins, Riikola is the 6th on the depth chart among LD.

 

[SomeDude]

I have hulu live but EPN + isnt included. Im going to have 14 streaming services by years end

If only there was a service that offered all these channels in one place so you didn't have to pay $5 a month to 20 different companies.

It's a bold idea.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If only there was a service that offered all these channels in one place so you didn't have to pay $5 a month to 20 different companies.

It's a bold idea.

Idk the issue to me is paying for that many different streaming companies

I have the no ads Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ bundle (split Hulu with a friend) and split Netflix and Paramount+ with my sister. It costs me like $20 a month.

 

[The Old Master]

Because Riikola not requiring waivers>Riikola requiring waivers in value. Same reason as why Toronto traded a decent prospect for Galchenyuk after Galchenyuk cleared waivers.

Riikola doesn't have value for the Penguins, even if you trade Matheson or Pettersson and want to have insurance for POJ on LD. Friedman has already surpassed Riikola on LD for the Penguins, Riikola is the 6th on the depth chart among LD.

and yet he is better than both maty and petts

 

[Empoleon8771]

and yet he is better than both maty and petts

Matheson has more points this year in 34 games than Riikola has in his entire NHL career, while Riikola has the skillset of an OFD.

He's really not good. He's an OFD that can't produce. His skillset is intriguing, but he's never going to be a regular player unless he starts producing more.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Idk the issue to me is paying for that many different streaming companies

I have the no ads Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ bundle (split Hulu with a friend) and split Netflix and Paramount+ with my sister. It costs me like $20 a month.

he’s making a joke that we’re just gonna go back to a cable like model despite the streaming being initially viewed as a “alternative”

 

[OnMyOwn]

Idk the issue to me is paying for that many different streaming companies

I have the no ads Hulu/Disney+/ESPN+ bundle (split Hulu with a friend) and split Netflix and Paramount+ with my sister. It costs me like $20 a month.

I have cheap Hulu, Netflix and Amazon because I have Prime. My Disney and ESPN+ are free through my brother.

I haven’t missed cable for anything other than sports but I’ve found some very reliable streams this year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

he’s making a joke that we’re just gonna go back to a cable like model despite the streaming being initially viewed as a “alternative”

Oh yeah I got that, you just gotta pick and choose which streaming services so you don't fall into the trap of paying equal or more than cable. You can't just get every single streaming service, you just have to be smart about it.

Don't do something like buy YouTube TV, which is literally just cable, while also having a bunch of other streaming services

I have cheap Hulu, Netflix and Amazon because I have Prime. My Disney and ESPN+ are free through my brother.

I haven’t missed cable for anything other than sports but I’ve found some very reliable streams this year.

Oh yeah I also have Amazon but I literally don't use it. I only have prime for amazon purchases.

 

[pistolpete11]

Because Riikola not requiring waivers>Riikola requiring waivers in value. Same reason as why Toronto traded a decent prospect for Galchenyuk after Galchenyuk cleared waivers.

Riikola doesn't have value for the Penguins, even if you trade Matheson or Pettersson and want to have insurance for POJ on LD. Friedman has already surpassed Riikola on LD for the Penguins, Riikola is the 6th on the depth chart among LD.

Korshkov is playing in the KHL and he didn't want to come back to the Leafs because they wouldn't guarantee him a spot on the NHL roster. The Leafs also dumped Warsofsky's $400,000 AHL salary.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Matheson has more points this year in 34 games than Riikola has in his entire NHL career, while Riikola has the skillset of an OFD.

Matheson looked 75% great last night and 25%... well... not great. Even as someone intrigued by Riikola, he doesn't have those moments of elite play which make it easier to swallow the risk like Matheson has.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Korshkov is playing in the KHL and he didn't want to come back to the Leafs because they wouldn't guarantee him a spot on the NHL roster. The Leafs also dumped Warsofsky's $400,000 AHL salary.

I mean that's still value, though. If the Penguins traded Riikola for a KHL prospect and an AHL cap dump, I still consider that "value" even if it's not a draft pick.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

Idk I don't even see a need to keep McCann at C now that you have Carter. Either have McCann-Malkin-Kapanen and Zucker-Carter-Rodrigues as your middle-6 or swap Zucker and McCann. I don't think it needs to be any more complicated than that.

I think we need to see Carter play here before we make that assumption. This is a low risk, medium return trade, so there isn’t a lot of reason to complain. But I’m not sold that Carter is an impact player here.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Matheson looked 75% great last night and 25%... well... not great. Even as someone intrigued by Riikola, he doesn't have those moments of elite play which make it easier to swallow the risk like Matheson has.

Yeah I think this is a fair comment. Maybe Riikola doesn't have the obvious screw-ups like Matheson has, but he certainly doesn't have the obvious high end plays that Matheson pretty regularly has.

He's kinda just there a majority of the time. Maybe that's just because Sullivan forced him to play like that, where he'd be more successful if he played more aggressively, but that's just where he's at.

 

[Andy99]

Carter won his Cups in 2012 and 2014.

It's 2021.

ok...so I exaggerated to make my point...sue me

 

[Darren McCord]

I think we need to see Carter play here before we make that assumption. This is a low risk, medium return trade, so there isn’t a lot of reason to complain. But I’m not sold that Carter is an impact player here.

Does he need to be an impact player tho? The pens needed depth scoring, a right handed shot and some bigger bodies to get garbage in front of the net. Thats what Carter is. They have their impact players in Jake, Sid, Geno, Rust and maybe Kap if he comes back the same way.