GDT: Trade Deadline II :: Everyone is mad edition

[Habsawce]

I'm actually starting to think Letang might have the inside track on the Norris.

 

[CHarlie]

Ok how did we get a 7th round pick and from who

 

[MTL-rules]

I found this interesting:

Richard Labbé @Richardlabbe · 2h 2 hours ago
Had one NHL scout tell me L.Eller would benefit from a change of scenery. Ceiling still pretty high.

MB knows it and will wait for the proper offer.

What I'm impress about him is that he doesn't make moves because he has to... he makes them because he feels he has good value on them.

Still need to hit that homerun... maybe Kessel/Eberle/Hall/??? in the summer ?

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Hope_Smoke thinks Doughty will win the Norris. I doubt he's even a finalist, the voters don't watch real late games often and they are notorious stat checkers.

1. P.K. Subban
2. Kris Letang
3. Shea Weber

That's your 3 finalists there unless one of them falls of the face of the earth. I mean, Doughty's team isn't even in the playoffs right now although Giordano's injury all but guarantees they get in now.

If the Kings end up in the playoffs above a wild card spot, I'd fully expect one of Letang or Subban will be bumped from the ballot by Doughty. He's playing great this year.

 

[sandysan]

Well, what's nice is we have guys who can create offense while playing solid defense. Everyone thinks Subban is soft but the truth is, he is like 220 lbs. He can clear the net.

Same goes for Beaulieu and Petry. All these guys are solid puck movers but they are big strong guys who can clear the net. No reason why you can't do both.

Sure Gilbert is soft but he's third pairing now likely with Emelin. Emelin is not my favorite but he is certainly a big strong guy.

If you're talking about enforcer, yeah none of our dmen really fight (Beaulieu actually has looked solid in that departement however). I wouldn't really want our Dmen fighting anyways though. Forwards like prust should be the sheriff.

Even having Weber on the ice would not have prevented Kreider from doing what he did last year because it was a cheap shot that came out of nowhere and there's nothing you can do about that. That comes down to the league.

being big isnt enough, and subban has never EVER been overly physical in front of the net. Neither has beaulieu or markov. could they do it ? sure. but I remember monsters like AHL-level pageau riding the blue with impunity.

I'm not talking about enforcer. I'm talking about a guy who will lay the lumber into the back of a guy and forcibly move him from the top of the crease. to disincentivize guys from standing 6 inches from our goalie. We have ( sans tinordi) NO ONE who does this.

 

[Habsawce]

If the Kings end up in the playoffs above a wild card spot, I'd fully expect one of Letang or Subban will be bumped from the ballot by Doughty. He's playing great this year.

He's playing an absurd amount of minutes right now as well. Yeah, it's quite possible and it would most likely be PK unless he goes on a tear. Although I think Letang and Subban have both been better than Weber.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Although I think Letang and Subban have both been better than Weber.

I don't.

 

[Aceekay]

Wish we moved Eller today.

Happy we didn't move Eller, he's valuable to us as third line center.

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

If the Kings end up in the playoffs above a wild card spot, I'd fully expect one of Letang or Subban will be bumped from the ballot by Doughty. He's playing great this year.

There are so many defense playing great this year Doughty gets way too much love .... Markov is playing like a monster and isnt even considered a top 10 for it

 

[Phenom]

The Habs could have done better last Summer in dealing Bourque than waht they ultimately settled for.

Which was having a 3.5 million dollar cap hit d-man in the minors for the 2014/2015 season.

The fact that they do not have Bourque on their 2015/2016 cap committment is great.

But the idea that they coudln't have done better than Allen on the 2014/2015 books is false.

He over played his hand in the Summer and it end up hurting the team this year.

How could he have done better then Allen if Bourque cleared waiver and nobody picked him up?

 

[NobleSix]

Our top 6 ain't that bad.

Pacioretty - DD - Gallagher
Eller - Plekanec - Galchenyuk

Two players aren't good enough to be in the top 6, and two players are playing out of position. One player happens to be in both those categories.

Our top 6 is pretty hurting. Not a knock on MB because obviously there just wasn't a market for top 6 forwards, but our top 6 is a weak point for this team.

 

[MTL-rules]

I'm actually starting to think Letang might have the inside track on the Norris.

He gets most of his PP point on secondary assists to Malkin/Crosby.

I doubt he surpass Subban. IMO, it's Weber's to lose... his biggest competitors now that Giordano is out are Subban and Doughty. After, we can name Letang, Karlsson, Josi, etc.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

There are so many defense playing great this year Doughty gets way too much love .... Markov is playing like a monster and isnt even considered a top 10 for it

I think Markov deserves to be recognized for the same level of contribution as Subban, just in different ways. Both in my top 10 in terms of performance so far this year. And Doughty deserves every bit of love he gets (even more than Subban and Markov, imo).

 

[Rozz]

Another post that seems quite confident I'm "wrong" yet offers no counter argument to the points I made.

I "wonder" why.

Except a bunch of us have given substantial and very reasonable arguments to debate your whole attack on the bourque for Allen trade ... and you are just repeating your same old nonsense that MB could have done better .. with out offering any kind of evidence or fact that would suggest your option has any merit ... also, it is asinine and ignorant to state as an absolute as you, your self, have no idea what deals MB had discussed or tried for. and there for have not a leg to stand on in your argument here.

All evidence of MBs trades would suggest that he did his due Diligence (as everyone in the media is claiming he is known for) and there for he either accepted the best option available or he purposefully took a worse offer than was available. Which would be stupid to believe but ... hey to each is own.

Anyway, I'm done trying to reason with the unreasonable here .. you know the whole "casting pearls before swine" thing gets old.

 

[DangerDave]

Use the better internal options the organization has?

Makes too much sense for Therrien I guess.

He won't hit any stride in the playoffs. Players like him always struggle in the playoffs.

He is a soft player who struggles when checking gets tight. There's a reason he's been so underwhelming in the playoffs last year and the yera before.

Depends who we face. Pittsburgh, Detroit, Islanders and Capitals are not great defensively and those are the kind of teams where DD will randomly produce at a PPG pace.

He would be much more effective on the third however.

 

[jaffy27]

The thing is everyone assumed the 4th line would be

Prust DLR Weise

They assumed wrong
Prust-DLR-DSP is your third line moving forward in playoffs

Pacioretty-DD-Gallagher
Eller-Plekanec-Galchenyuk
Prust-DLR-DSP
Flynn-Mitchell-Weise

Markov-Subban
Beaulieu-Petry
Emelin-Gilbert
Price

Ladies and gentlemen, the names which will be engraved in the Stanley Cup for 2014-15 season

 

[MTL-rules]

Pacioretty - DD - Gallagher
Eller - Plekanec - Galchenyuk

Two players aren't good enough to be in the top 6, and two players are playing out of position. One player happens to be in both those categories.

Our top 6 is pretty hurting. Not a knock on MB because obviously there just wasn't a market for top 6 forwards, but our top 6 is a weak point for this team.

DD is a top 6 forward, just not a first line center. But his line with Pac and Gally has been one of the most dominant 5 on 5 line in the league. So no problem there.

If you are implying that Galchenyuk is a center, no he's not. I think his creativity is better suited for the RW.

Eller... well he needs a kick in the ass and get his confidence back. He's our only question mark... and from the look of it, it's PAP who will get the chance to play Top 6. Did it before.

Let's hope that one of PAP/Eller/Weise/DSP can be effective as a Top 6 forward.

At least our bottom lines are solid.

 

[CH25]

Dd will never produce at ppg pace in the playoffs

 

[zzoo]

Bergevin confirms that he interested in Jagr.

 

[MTL-rules]

Dd will never produce at ppg pace in the playoffs

Why would he need to ? he's paid 3,5mil a year, not 8...

 

[BLONG7]

So, just home from work, and see we picked up Petry, Flinn, and Mitchell, for essentially nothing..........a good day for MB...

Nothing flashy, but a nice day...Bournival sent to the Dogs...seems like we are ready for da playoff...

 

[Habsawce]

Wouldn't Mitchell-Flynn-Weise make more sense on the 4th line. Let Mitchell take draws if he's better but then everyone is on their correct side.

 

[Monctonscout]

so for this deep draft we're stuck with only a 1st and 6th and 7th round pick?

Worst case we have a 1st 4th 5th 6th and 7th. The 5th can move up as high as a 3rd depend on how far we go.

I think we add a couple extra picks for Bournival and Thomas in June...maybe Gilbert or Emelin also. Habs will have bodies to move this summer as Tinordi Thomas Pateryn and Bournival are no longer waiver exempt. Plus I could see us keeping one or both of Flynn and Mitchell.

 

[Richiebottles]

I am glad we have a smart GM.

Building for the future and still adds good pieces.

He is building a solid bottom 6 and will address the top 6 in the off season when the prices are lower.

Love how he is building this team.

 

[CH25]

Why would he need to ? he's paid 3,5mil a year, not 8...

And patches isnt paid 40 goal money. Salary is pretty irrelevant considering the position he's put in.