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I'm sorry but anyone saying "extend [player]" brings me the mental image of a medieval device operated by the Spanish Inquisition.
GDT: Trade Deadline: f*** Rantanen/His Agent
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kerrabria
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I did see this article...but isn't that data to support Dundon being the issue, not the agent?I'll try to find the link but basically a not insignificant number of agents they interviewed for the piece had Dundon listed as the most difficult front office/owner to work with in the league.
NHL agent poll: Best and worst owners, Connor McDavid’s contract, future GMs
Who is the toughest team to deal with? Should the NHL have a play-in round? We polled 19 agents, who represent hundreds of players.www.nytimes.com
Buenos Necas
lets go canes
Will give it until 3pm to fully judge, would have to think they're very actively trying to flip the picks for a roster player. Ideally that player has some term ala the Skeji trade a few years back, but even if it's for a Boeser rental then that's not a bad outcome.
Seeing the TSN panel move the goal posts is pretty funny. We've heard for years how this team needed that elite scorer, finally get one and they offer him big money but for whatever reason he won't sign. Then it was all about how stupid the team would be to let him walk for nothing after Guentzel, team ends up recouping assets in a trade and now they're stupid for not keeping him.
Would be a different story if he'd actually looked good here, but obviously things didn't work out. Not mad about taking a big swing, I'll take it over what we saw with the RF years. Time to go back to the drawing board.
Seeing the TSN panel move the goal posts is pretty funny. We've heard for years how this team needed that elite scorer, finally get one and they offer him big money but for whatever reason he won't sign. Then it was all about how stupid the team would be to let him walk for nothing after Guentzel, team ends up recouping assets in a trade and now they're stupid for not keeping him.
Would be a different story if he'd actually looked good here, but obviously things didn't work out. Not mad about taking a big swing, I'll take it over what we saw with the RF years. Time to go back to the drawing board.
For me, a lot of this comes down to whether Stankoven can fill that 2C slot. His FO% last year was great in limited numbers, this year not as good.
If he can fill that 2C long term that’s a target we all mentioned for Necas plus 2 firsts. If he’s a RW long term he’s a downgrade from Necas.
FreshSeabass
Aho!
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Crazy thing to me is I thought Rants and Aho were besties? Apparently that didnt matter even though I thought that would make a difference.
Maybe Aho wouldn’t let him use his sauna?
Maybe Aho wouldn’t let him use his sauna?
dogbazinho
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when we traded necas, i searched the trade board for threads with necas in the title between the tdl and late summer last year. i guess seeing all of those 'the canes would have to add to necas to get hronek' and similar discussions just made me happy he went on a hot run so we could get more for him.
now that more turned into a potential 2c - our biggest need - and a shit ton of draft capital.
don't like the all-around way things went down, but i'm good with where we are. all the better if some of the return turns into a boeser or marchand or something like that.
random aside - the tsn panel's immediate responses were very much 'tell me you know nothing about carolina without saying you know nothing about carolina'
now that more turned into a potential 2c - our biggest need - and a shit ton of draft capital.
don't like the all-around way things went down, but i'm good with where we are. all the better if some of the return turns into a boeser or marchand or something like that.
random aside - the tsn panel's immediate responses were very much 'tell me you know nothing about carolina without saying you know nothing about carolina'
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DaveG
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I get where you're coming from but I'll still disagree.
For a team that's not trying to punt things 3 years down the road it's a bad return for Necas with another year on his deal and Drury.
There's still an hour for them to salvage SOMETHING here but Necas should have been the piece that we add to for a premium long term asset. Stankoven is a good player but we just traded a guy with 100 point upside and a #3 center for a guy that won't approach that for another 3 years if he ever does and a veteran middle 6 winger that's slowing down
There are lots of Finns in the NHL.....I'm not putting Aho in the besties category...he wasn't even at this wedding this summer.
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The whiplash I’m getting reading these comments is wild. 90% of this board thinks this team isn’t a cup contender this year. They trade Rantanen for a 22 year old right handed center and two 1st round picks and everyone doesn’t like it because it doesn’t make them a better team now? Which is it? What do you want them to do?
DaveG
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Not necessarily. Agents want to work with people that give them what they want without having to do a ton of give and take. The Guentzel situation was all Dundon IMO, and it's also why we lost Pesce since we were f***ing around on that one for so long
In this case the Canes were more than willing to meet the contract ask and his camp still jerked us around, so this instance I'd say it's on the agent to a huge degree.
Of course imo if you didn't get permission to negotiate an extension ahead of time you don't f***ing trade Necas for Rantanen to begin with.
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well, train left the station already when they gave up Necas and Drury.
Canes salvaged something while it was moving but less so than they could of.
btw: Canes are not a cup contender this year. There are at least 7 teams with much better rosters right now....Jets, Stars, Oilers, Avs, Tampa, Florida, Toronto.
At this point, what they will probably do is milk their fan base for at least two playoff home games at enhanced prices (won't get my $ though) and re-group during the summer with those enhanced assets.
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I'm generally aligned, though the bolded is probably exceptionally generous to Necas and we're only saying it because of how he's produced next to Mackinnon, I actually thought you were talking about Rantanen and mixing the trades up the way others here are doing before I re-read.
The question of whether this is the right asset mix for this team is different than whether the trade were fair or whether we won or lost them or whatever. If you want to make the argument we're a worse roster right now on paper than on Jan 24, I'm all ears on that, Necas is the best player in the final in/out equation once you cancel out Rantanen from both sides. I suppose that then this all becomes a consistency test for some posters here - was this our contending year or wasn't it?
That said, I'd be thrilled to flip some of these new assets for another piece. Dobson is #1 on my wishlist. Go wreak havoc with your new stuff Tulsky.
I'm generally aligned, though the bolded is probably exceptionally generous to Necas and we're only saying it because of how he's produced next to Mackinnon, I actually thought you were talking about Rantanen and mixing the trades up the way others here are doing before I re-read.
The question of whether this is the right asset mix for this team is different than whether the trade were fair or whether we won or lost them or whatever. If you want to make the argument we're a worse roster right now on paper than on Jan 24, I'm all ears on that, Necas is the best player in the final in/out equation once you cancel out Rantanen from both sides. I suppose that then this all becomes a consistency test for some posters here - was this our contending year or wasn't it?
That said, I'd be thrilled to flip some of these new assets for another piece. Dobson is #1 on my wishlist. Go wreak havoc with your new stuff Tulsky.
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Reminder that the deal that was supposedly nixed by Necas in the off-season was for Columbus' previous 1st round pick. There was also an unspecified (I believe) deal with Buffalo that was nixed.
I don't think either of those deals get us the return we had today.
