GDT: Trade Deadline Day

[TMLAM34]

I can definitely see Rielly willing to waive his clause. It’s pretty clear him and Berube do not really mesh with playing style and usage.

I can see Vancouver, Seattle, Utah, Detroit and the Rangers on his list he’d waive to.

 

[tuckerintensity]

They aren't getting a guarantee for a rental. They wanted a win-now player and had to give up on it because they had no leverage.

They were literally trading Rantanen because he wouldn't sign, but they would have been happy to have the same problem with another guy? I don't think so, they would've just kept Rantanen if they were happy to roll with a rental RW.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

They were literally trading Rantanen because he wouldn't sign, but they would have been happy to have the same problem with another guy? I don't think so, they would've just kept Rantanen if they were happy to roll with a rental RW.

That's what I was thinking too.

It doesn't make sense for either Carolina or the Leafs to do this. Leafs would be wanting to load up by adding Rantanen to the core, including Marner, already in place. Carolina wanted to recover assets and still have an adequate incoming roster player for replacement.

Gotta wonder if there was something else going on beyond just Rantanen/Marner.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

They play in Raleigh Durham NC. It’s not as nice as Nashville, Tampa or Dallas but it’s OK. A little too basketball heavy but other than that it’s good place to live.

I was in Raleigh for 6 months on a reorg assignment for a large US multinational changing systems and people after an acquisition .. folks are all car crazy Nascar junkies and hoops too .. this was 20+ years ago but only 2 guys out of a few hundred even knew hockey .. I couldn't even give away canes tickets thats how bad it was

 

[ULF_55]

It’s confirmed. He was asked to waive. He declined.

You know even if he agreed to waive, I don't think the 'Canes would have done the trade without an extension in place.

Would they have gone to 8 * $14mm?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I was in Raleigh for 6 months on a reorg assignment for a large US multinational changing systems and people after an acquisition .. folks are all car crazy Nascar junkies and hoops too .. this was 20+ years ago but only 2 guys out of a few hundred even knew hockey .. I couldn't even give away canes tickets thats how bad it was

Raleigh itself is crap, but the Triangle nearby is nice.

Also, for the Canadians here, the best BBQ in America is in Eastern North Carolina and it's not even close.

 

[ULF_55]

I was in Raleigh for 6 months on a reorg assignment for a large US multinational changing systems and people after an acquisition .. folks are all car crazy Nascar junkies and hoops too .. this was 20+ years ago but only 2 guys out of a few hundred even knew hockey .. I couldn't even give away canes tickets thats how bad it was

Isn't even near a body of water. Might be in 50 years, but now ... nowhere's land.

 

[Nineteen67]

I see Willy as the most willing to waive. Rielly has local family now. Matthews is the captain.

Nylander on NYR makes a ton of sense.

I don’t Willy wanting to move to a place with high expectations. Toronto is a great fit for him because of the attention the team gets, but more importantly, theres no pressure and likelihood of shorter seasons.

I think Matthews would love NYC

 

[Nineteen67]

I was in Raleigh for 6 months on a reorg assignment for a large US multinational changing systems and people after an acquisition .. folks are all car crazy Nascar junkies and hoops too .. this was 20+ years ago but only 2 guys out of a few hundred even knew hockey .. I couldn't even give away canes tickets thats how bad it was

20 yrs ago, sure. They still love auto racing - Charlotte has a lot of NASCAR and Penske has their shop there.
The basketball turned us off from moving there about 15 yrs ago.

 

[Americanadian]

I don’t Willy wanting to move to a place with high expectations. Toronto is a great fit for him because of the attention the team gets, but more importantly, theres no pressure and likelihood of shorter seasons.

I think Matthews would love NYC

I just can’t see a trade making sense between NYR and TOR for Matthews - they have enough top 6 C’s. They don’t have any RS wingers.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Nah guys it's pretty simple. Willy to Philly and Auston to Boston.

It rhymes so you know it's true.

Plus we need packages including our 1sts back to kick off the rebuild.

 

[tuckerintensity]

That's what I was thinking too.

It doesn't make sense for either Carolina or the Leafs to do this. Leafs would be wanting to load up by adding Rantanen to the core, including Marner, already in place. Carolina wanted to recover assets and still have an adequate incoming roster player for replacement.

Gotta wonder if there was something else going on beyond just Rantanen/Marner.

The Athletic's best report on this is that Carolina brought Marner for Rantanen up and Treliving said it's a non-starter. At some point in the lead up to the deadline, we told Marner that we want him to stay and we want to get that deal done as soon as he wants it done and asked if he'd want to move now if he isn't going to stay and he said he wants to stay.

That kind of report doesn't sell subscriptions though, so they have seven articles about Marner in the last three days with varying levels of OMGzzzzz headlines.

 

[Metroid]

The Athletic's best report on this is that Carolina brought Marner for Rantanen up and Treliving said it's a non-starter. At some point in the lead up to the deadline, we told Marner that we want him to stay and we want to get that deal done as soon as he wants it done and asked if he'd want to move now if he isn't going to stay and he said he wants to stay.

That kind of report doesn't sell subscriptions though, so they have seven articles about Marner in the last three days with varying levels of OMGzzzzz headlines.

many ppl are too invested in Marner, so the media plays them like a fiddle.. I'm quietly sitting around waiting for the playoffs and will only get mad if and when the time comes.

Lol at everyone losing their shit when they all say the same thing "regular season doesn't matter".

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The Athletic's best report on this is that Carolina brought Marner for Rantanen up and Treliving said it's a non-starter. At some point in the lead up to the deadline, we told Marner that we want him to stay and we want to get that deal done as soon as he wants it done and asked if he'd want to move now if he isn't going to stay and he said he wants to stay.

That kind of report doesn't sell subscriptions though, so they have seven articles about Marner in the last three days with varying levels of OMGzzzzz headlines.

I have to wonder how sincere those talks actually were.

The Knies + 2x1st ++ for Rantanen would make the most sense. The ++ could be Cowan and Minten and whatever else it takes to get it done. The fact Treliving was engaged in these discussions and ended up with two significantly lesser players for almost the same price Rantanen ultimately was traded for doesn't reflect well on Treliving.

His trades for Laughton and Carlo seem like last minute desperation moves so he could say he did something and the prices paid reflect that.

 

[ToneDog]

They were literally trading Rantanen because he wouldn't sign, but they would have been happy to have the same problem with another guy? I don't think so, they would've just kept Rantanen if they were happy to roll with a rental RW.

The difference is Ranta was traded to Carolina without his consent and would not have signed there for $20m (as Kyper said). Marner would have agreed to go there and may have been open to resigning there.

IMO neither team would have agreed to a deal without each player agreeing to an extension.

 

[ToneDog]

You know even if he agreed to waive, I don't think the 'Canes would have done the trade without an extension in place.

Would they have gone to 8 * $14mm?

Not a chance in hell. Slavin is playing for a million less than Rielly.

 

[tuckerintensity]

I have to wonder how sincere those talks actually were.

The Knies + 2x1st ++ for Rantanen would make the most sense. The ++ could be Cowan and Minten and whatever else it takes to get it done. The fact Treliving was engaged in these discussions and ended up with two significantly lesser players for almost the same price Rantanen ultimately was traded for doesn't reflect well on Treliving.

His trades for Laughton and Carlo seem like last minute desperation moves so he could say he did something and the prices paid reflect that.

We were interested in Laughton for a long time leading up to the deadline, and I'd expect the same is true for Carlo. The prices were reflective of an very strong seller's market.

The difference is Ranta was traded to Carolina without his consent and would not have signed there for $20m (as Kyper said). Marner would have agreed to go there and may have been open to resigning there.

IMO neither team would have agreed to a deal without each player agreeing to an extension.

I think we'd have traded for Rantanen without an extension, especially if we weren't trading Marner in the deal. We'd be happy to have him for the playoff run and have two options for extension, almost like hedging our bet (or forcing the other to choose elsewhere if one was willing to sign early). I don't think we wanted to trade Knies though, he's kind of the winger you need to keep because I don't think we can pay both Rantanen and Marner (plus Willie) all that kind of money when they all play the same position.

 

[Divine]

You know even if he agreed to waive, I don't think the 'Canes would have done the trade without an extension in place.

Would they have gone to 8 * $14mm?

Yeah, who knows if it would have went through. At this point though, we're just playing hypotheticals. What we do know is that Marner stopped the potential deal in it's tracks before it even had the potential to happen. Whether it would have happened if he was willing to waive we're not sure.

 

[Divine]

They were literally trading Rantanen because he wouldn't sign, but they would have been happy to have the same problem with another guy? I don't think so, they would've just kept Rantanen if they were happy to roll with a rental RW.

Well if they didn't trade Rantanen he leaves for nothing anyway. Dallas at one point left the deal because they weren't able to get to an extension and Carolina was going to be stuck with him anyway.

Not every team was going to pay a bonus knowing he's entering the market July 1st. The 8th year is a benefit to Rantanen, not to the team.

 

[ULF_55]

Yeah, who knows if it would have went through. At this point though, we're just playing hypotheticals. What we do know is that Marner stopped the potential deal in it's tracks before it even had the potential to happen. Whether it would have happened if he was willing to waive we're not sure.

We do know the 'Canes moved Rantanen because he would not re-sign.

We also know Rantanen has the 4th. highest PPG in the playoffs the past 5 years, and marner 30th. (min 20 games played).

If 'Canes wouldn't keep Rantanen for the playoffs only, does logic indicate they'd trade for a much worse post-season player as a rental?

 

[tuckerintensity]

Well if they didn't trade Rantanen he leaves for nothing anyway. Dallas at one point left the deal because they weren't able to get to an extension and Carolina was going to be stuck with him anyway.

Not every team was going to pay a bonus knowing he's entering the market July 1st. The 8th year is a benefit to Rantanen, not to the team.

OK? That's a Dallas thing, not a Carolina thing.

If they never cared about having a rental, they keep Rantanen. But they very much cared, so they aren't trading for another guy who says he's testing the market.

 

[Gabriel426]

That's what I was thinking too.

It doesn't make sense for either Carolina or the Leafs to do this. Leafs would be wanting to load up by adding Rantanen to the core, including Marner, already in place. Carolina wanted to recover assets and still have an adequate incoming roster player for replacement.

Gotta wonder if there was something else going on beyond just Rantanen/Marner.

I really think Leafs ask what it will for Rantanen and Canes said let’s us talk to MM and see if we can get an extension….
Tre asked MM and MM said no.

OK? That's a Dallas thing, not a Carolina thing.

If they never cared about having a rental, they keep Rantanen. But they very much cared, so they aren't trading for another guy who says he's testing the market.

100% sure even if MM said yes to waive, Canes would still trying to get an extension in place before trading for him.

 

[Roo]

Report out of Carolina that Rantanen made it clear he would only sign with 4 teams. Clearly one was DAL, where we one of the other three? I doubt it.

Don’t want to make any of the trades mentioned for 3 months of Rantanen.