Trade Deadline 2015 Part II

[seafoam]

I just dont get how more of you are not concerned. Again, Im notasking for Yandle or Kessel, or Vermette. But there is no reason why we still cant add a zidlicky or a z michalek or chris stewart, using third round picks, scott mayfield, brian strait and matt donovan. For example, you really dont think the devils would give up Zid for a third round pick and donovan or mayfield? Who cares about Donovan or Mayfield? I swear any guy that could be called a prospect you guys dont want to give up. Every one of these guys, Pulock, Reinhardt, Pelech, Mayfield, Donovan, are never all going to be in our lineup. Maybe two of them, thats it.

Why should we be more concerned? We've been at the top of the league all year. Also, I'm not going to talk value with you because it's so inconsistent, but Mayfield is a no go unless you are bringing back a stud defenseman. He's simply unmovable at the moment while Boychuk remains unsigned.

Even if Boychuk re-signs, I don't know how much Snow would be willing to deal Mayfield because after Hamonic and Boychuk, our only right handed guys are Pulock and Mayfield. Pulock's a tremendous prospect but you simply just can't bank soley on him.

Donovan can go, along with a 3rd.

 

[seafoam]

And can anyone deny my statement that every other team in the top 9 of the East besides us has made at least one move to upgrade something? It is a fact, not an opinion. And to me that shows this team is not serious about a playoff run this year and the fact that we are where we currently are is in the minds of management just sheer unexpected luck. Hope I am proven wrong over the next 5 hours.

Making moves just because other teams made moves is exactly what you don't want your management doing, at least in my opinion.

Paying huge prices for guys for them to come in and learn new systems for 20 games until they really matter doesn't always work out. In a vacuum, teams made upgrades, but there's not telling how quickly they will adapt.

Snow did his shopping on the eve of the season, when prices were dirt cheap compared to this, and we got to get our guys a full season under their belts.

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

Why should we be more concerned? We've been at the top of the league all year. Also, I'm not going to talk value with you because it's so inconsistent, but Mayfield is a no go unless you are bringing back a stud defenseman. He's simply unmovable at the moment while Boychuk remains unsigned.

Even if Boychuk re-signs, I don't know how much Snow would be willing to deal Mayfield because after Hamonic and Boychuk, our only right handed guys are Pulock and Mayfield. Pulock's a tremendous prospect but you simply just can't bank soley on him.

Donovan can go, along with a 3rd.

Please explain to me where you see that Mayfield is so integral to the future of this club that he would not be worth making an upgrade that could help us in the playoffs this year. What I have seen from Mayfield so far in the NHL and AHL, he looks like his career potential is a average #6 dman/good #7 dman.
Even lets assume we dont sign Boychuck, we have:
Hamonic
Leddy
De Haan
Reinhart
Pulock
and you know at some point over the next year or two we are going to sign a free agent or two.

So where do you see that freaking Scott Mayfield who has done zilch is so integral to the future of this franchise?

 

[Costigan77]

Ok let me clarify.

Phanuef is not a good defenseman. He's bad in his own zone and is usually out of position.

I posted the video not because it was a massive hit, but because Phanuef is a dirtbag. It wasn't a massive hit, it was a dirty hit.

Phaneuf has done nothing but regress since his days in Calgary. Don't like his game, attitude, or his contract. But that's just my opinion.

Statement 1 is absolutely incorrect. I am not sure where the out of position issue comes. If anything he has stopped being aggressive on the offensive side. It actually is amazing he is only a -8 considering how bad that team is and how one dimensional their offense is.

Thats cool, he threw a dirty hit 6 years ago. I think it may be time to move on. I am pretty sure Kyle Okposo wants to win a cup, and will probably lets a hit from 6 years ago fall by the wayside. It is hard to cry about a hit like that when we currently run Clutterbuck, Martin and Boychuk out there. All three have been called out for dirty hits that have injured payers in their career. It is part of the game.

Phaneuf is the captian of the Leafs, and is well respected in the locker room. Most leaf fans are up in arms about him getting traded. They are trading these guys to rebuild. The Toronto media has destroyed Phaneuf, Kessel, Lupul and JVR for months, and most of these guys stopped speaking to them. Again, Phaneuf is a top 4 d-man. Stop with the conjecture and worrying about a preseason hit from 6 years ago.

 

[SI90]

These prices are insane.

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

Making moves just because other teams made moves is exactly what you don't want your management doing, at least in my opinion.

Paying huge prices for guys for them to come in and learn new systems for 20 games until they really matter doesn't always work out. In a vacuum, teams made upgrades, but there's not telling how quickly they will adapt.

Snow did his shopping on the eve of the season, when prices were dirt cheap compared to this, and we got to get our guys a full season under their belts.

Other teams didnt do their "shopping" in the summer and preseason as well? It was just us? This is my other recent favorite Islanders fan
cliche excuse. We make moves in the offseason (just like every other NHL team does) and somehow that is also considered our deadline moves. Why does no other team subscribe to that theory? A team cannot still be upgraded at the deadline to fill holes that have shown themselves over the course of the season (like say, a terrible PK, terrible faceoff %, terrible backup goaltending, a small/weak third defensive pair)? Do the Islanders know something the whole rest of the NHL doesnt? Oh yeah, we have all those cups in the last 30 years to show for the brilliance that is the Islanders while the rest of the NHL has no idea what it is doing.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Other teams didnt do their "shopping" in the summer and preseason as well? It was just us? This is my other recent favorite Islanders fan
cliche excuse. We make moves in the offseason (just like every other NHL team does) and somehow that is also considered our deadline moves. Why does no other team subscribe to that theory? A team cannot still be upgraded at the deadline to fill holes that have shown themselves over the course of the season (like say, a terrible PK, terrible faceoff %, terrible backup goaltending, a small/weak third defensive pair)? Do the Islanders know something the whole rest of the NHL doesnt? Oh yeah, we have all those cups in the last 30 years to show for the brilliance that is the Islanders while the rest of the NHL has no idea what it is doing.

Ho Sang, 2016 first, and Hickey for Yandle

2017 first, 2017 third and Vis for Cobourn

Yay we traded our entire future for the sake of competing for ONE year when we have a huge length of time to compete.

 

[Macch]

Statement 1 is absolutely incorrect. I am not sure where the out of position issue comes. If anything he has stopped being aggressive on the offensive side. It actually is amazing he is only a -8 considering how bad that team is and how one dimensional their offense is.

Thats cool, he threw a dirty hit 6 years ago. I think it may be time to move on. I am pretty sure Kyle Okposo wants to win a cup, and will probably lets a hit from 6 years ago fall by the wayside. It is hard to cry about a hit like that when we currently run Clutterbuck, Martin and Boychuk out there. All three have been called out for dirty hits that have injured payers in their career. It is part of the game.

Phaneuf is the captian of the Leafs, and is well respected in the locker room. Most leaf fans are up in arms about him getting traded. They are trading these guys to rebuild. The Toronto media has destroyed Phaneuf, Kessel, Lupul and JVR for months, and most of these guys stopped speaking to them. Again, Phaneuf is a top 4 d-man. Stop with the conjecture and worrying about a preseason hit from 6 years ago.

Pot calling kettle.

Visit the Leafs' board. They are anything but up in arms about him possibly being traded.

 

[Brooklanders*]

All I'm suggesting is a minor move like a goalie

 

[charlie1]

We're gambling on the future. That's fine, but making a move would also have been reasonable. No need to jump on people who are hoping for a trade.

 

[IslesFanatic]

Just because the isles are young and "up and coming" doesn't mean they will compete. Are their chances better? yes. Does it mean they will be good every year? No, absolutely not. They need to tinker a bit to get better. Nothing earth shattering, but as currently constructed, just not good enough.

 

[Jester9881]

Ok let me clarify.

Phanuef is not a good defenseman. He's bad in his own zone and is usually out of position.

I posted the video not because it was a massive hit, but because Phanuef is a dirtbag. It wasn't a massive hit, it was a dirty hit.

Phaneuf has done nothing but regress since his days in Calgary. Don't like his game, attitude, or his contract. But that's just my opinion.

Not true at all about his defensive ability. If anything, his defense has improved since his days in Calgary. He's a passable top pairing guy and would be an elite 2nd pairing guy on any team in this league. As for him being dirty.... you ever watch Potvin? How about Stevens? Pronger?

 

[seabass45]

IF we decided to make a move for Phaneuf...

Leddy-Boychuk
de Haan-Hamonic
Phaneuf-Vis (next year, Pulock, I assume)

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

Ho Sang, 2016 first, and Hickey for Yandle

2017 first, 2017 third and Vis for Cobourn

Yay we traded our entire future for the sake of competing for ONE year when we have a huge length of time to compete.

Maybe you should read my posts before trying to critique them. I have a post from this same morning saying exactly, " I am not asking for Yandle, Kessel or Vermette". But clearly you ignored that part of it. You also ignored the part where I said why cant we try to get someone on the level of a zidlicky or michalek to upgrade on Hickey. And I would gladly trade Hickey himself if it was in a trade to upgrade on his position. Hickey will never be in the top 6 of a Stanley Cup winning team.

 

[Macch]

We're gambling on the future. That's fine, but making a move would also have been reasonable. No need to jump on people who are hoping for a trade.

Agreed. Have to look at the big picture. Look at the improvement we've made from last season. We still have a lot of nice pieces coming through the pipeline. Not need to go "all in."

At these prices, no reason to make a move.

 

[Jester9881]

I'd argue that we won that series in 93, mainly because of Darius Kasparaitus being in Marios head... and that was because of how dirty he could be out there.

 

[IceAce]

 

[YearlyLottery]

Maybe you should read my posts before trying to critique them. I have a post from this same morning saying exactly, " I am not asking for Yandle, Kessel or Vermette". But clearly you ignored that part of it. You also ignored the part where I said why cant we try to get someone on the level of a zidlicky or michalek to upgrade on Hickey. And I would gladly trade Hickey himself if it was in a trade to upgrade on his position. Hickey will never be in the top 6 of a Stanley Cup winning team.

Who do you want? Glencross? These price are way too high to gamble our picks on. Snow should just stay put.

 

[Macch]

Not true at all about his defensive ability. If anything, his defense has improved since his days in Calgary. He's a passable top pairing guy and would be an elite 2nd pairing guy on any team in this league. As for him being dirty.... you ever watch Potvin? How about Stevens? Pronger?

I'd argue that we won that series in 93, mainly because of Darius Kasparaitus being in Marios head... and that was because of how dirty he could be out there.

You're comparing Dion to players who played a game during a different era. You know the game is completely different now.

I don't want to argue about this all day. I'm not saying my opinion is gospel. I just don't like Phaneuf's game. I don't think he's worth the 7 mill cap hit until 2020. Love his wife though. She can come to the Isles any day.

 

[danteipp]

We're gambling on the future. That's fine, but making a move would also have been reasonable. No need to jump on people who are hoping for a trade.

I can't speak for others but I am not jumping on people who are hoping for a trade, I am simply advocating that if a move is made, it is a calculated and "fair" trade in terms of value. I am all for Snow bringing in a better backup goalie, physical defenseman or vet forward to take draws and help the PK.

However, I am not on board with moving one of the four (4) jewels of the Isles system (MDC, Ho-Sang, Pulock or Reinhart) for anything less than a top player under contract for the next 2-3 seasons. I am only willing to move quality for quality.

As for people advocating using Mayfield as a throw-in for an incremental upgrade, I am uncomfortable with doing so because I have watched Mayfield a lot with the BST and really like his game. He is big, physical, skates well and is progressing nicely. He can probably bring more value to the Isles as quality depth or via a trade next season, when he will return more in value.

Pelech is also an interesting prospect, given that he is a very solid and cerebral player on the ice, but I would move him since IMHO I prefer Mayfield. Mayfield's physical game and style just stands out to me. It would be a shame to move a cheap, young third-pairing defender for a limited upgrade now. Got to get more than that.

I am also exhausted of the overreactions and insanity of some posts. Throwing around terms like "nightmare day" and "you want to punch a wall" is an amazing lack of perspective. You want to talk "nightmare"? Watch your wife be hospitalized on and off for 5-6 years battling an illness then tell me if not getting Petry is in the same boat.

I am sorry but a little perspective is in order for some. And I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings, that is not my intention and I am not trying to be a jerk, just attempting to inject some logic and rational thought into a hockey conversation that should not be this emotionally distressing, lol. The Isles are having a great season, life will be better if we just sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[danteipp]

Lol, I believe I mentioned in the Sabres thread that I cannot wait until they trade Neuvirth and go with Lindback and a local, high school senior in net. They can run raffles for the position on a game-by-game basis.

 

[BTrotts19]

I can't speak for others but I am not jumping on people who are hoping for a trade, I am simply advocating that if a move is made, it is a calculated and "fair" trade in terms of value. I am all for Snow bringing in a better backup goalie, physical defenseman or vet forward to take draws and help the PK.

However, I am not on board with moving one of the four (4) jewels of the Isles system (MDC, Ho-Sang, Pulock or Reinhart) for anything less than a top player under contract for the next 2-3 seasons. I am only willing to move quality for quality.

As for people advocating using Mayfield as a throw-in for an incremental upgrade, I am uncomfortable with doing so because I have watched Mayfield a lot with the BST and really like his game. He is big, physical, skates well and is progressing nicely. He can probably bring more value to the Isles as quality depth or via a trade next season, when he will return more in value.

Pelech is also an interesting prospect, given that he is a very solid and cerebral player on the ice, but I would move him since IMHO I prefer Mayfield. Mayfield's physical game and style just stands out to me. It would be a shame to move a cheap, young third-pairing defender for a limited upgrade now. Got to get more than that.

I am also exhausted of the overreactions and insanity of some posts. Throwing around terms like "nightmare day" and "you want to punch a wall" is an amazing lack of perspective. You want to talk "nightmare"? Watch your wife be hospitalized on and off for 5-6 years battling an illness then tell me if not getting Petry is in the same boat.

I am sorry but a little perspective is in order for some. And I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings, that is not my intention and I am not trying to be a jerk, just attempting to inject some logic and rational thought into a hockey conversation that should not be this emotionally distressing, lol. The Isles are having a great season, life will be better if we just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Totally agree with your paragraph and I am so sorry to hear about that last sentence, wish you and your wife good luck in the future.

 

[stranger34]

Why can't we just get Strait out of relevant role on this team? You can't convince me that if you had an open competition for that spot that one of Pulock, Reinhart or Donovan wouldn't run away with it.

 

[CodeE]

Watching Sportsnet and apparently Matt Carkner's name is trending among other rumored players. Be hilarious if we get anything for Carkner.

 

[danteipp]

Totally agree with your paragraph and I am so sorry to hear about that last sentence, wish you and your wife good luck in the future.

Thanks Trotts, I truly appreciate the well wishes. And thankfully, it appears we are out of the woods. She has been doing very well for the last couple years now so hopefully all of that is past us. But I do not want to derail this thread, or take the conversation off on a tangent, just looking to add some perspective and get people to think about what they type and how it may sound in a post to others. So let's get back to trade talk (or lack thereof)!