GDT: Trade and Free agent Rumours thread | Chayka off-season edition

[namttebih]

One player who can still contribute while bringing a physical force and shouldn't cost a ton would be Evander Kane.

Kane-Tavares-Cowan as your third line

Who is 2C in this situation?

 

[Buckley]

having a good basis for your team is never not a bad thing. again. wasting two years trying to get to the 1st round, vs. "wasting" two years making sure to get pieces so you can get to rounds 2, 3 and 4 [and win] should be the goal. end of story.

Hey, I agree with you and others who think trading these guys is the better approach, but I gave up that dream a while ago. Like it or not, they are going to try to win now.

 

[Budz]

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Who said that?

I’m talking about building, a proper reset. Build the D, get younger and get rid of the bad contracts.

This team is 6 pieces away from even a 50/50 shot of doing damage in playoffs.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Sens are shopping 9th + 25th overall.
They have Cozens playing on the wing.

If they target someone like J Robertson maybe a combo of Avs 1st/Carlo/N Robertson+ can land Cozens?

They have the assets to land Knies as well, but I’d rather not move him (especially to a division rival). But something like 9th + Cozens + Yakemchuk/25th overall would be enough to satisfy the rumoured asking price.

 

[SprDaVE]

We make a couple of good moves and hires and now the fans are thinking we are winning something next year.

Posters today saying go get Kadri??? Huh.

If I’m Chyka - Im resetting the table 2 years out. Our over rating of our players is insane at times and not rooted in facts.

Some people suggest a wealth of different things here. It's just fan stuff. Some people overrate, some people underrate. Some people want Evander Kane, some want Kadri, some want to blow it up.

Nobody said we're winning 100%, but they are clearly not going to give up just because the Panthers traded for Brady Tkachuk. They want to bounce back, just like the Panthers want to bounce back -- people forget where they finished this past year. Why are we assuming they are winning it all on June 21st? They don't even have a goaltender.

You want a rebuild. That's cool. Losing means less expectations and it's nice to not have any expectations. We can suck and we know it. I guess we'll see how bad they are next season, and if they are as bad you think they'll be, then we will have no doubt a lot of fun... at least Boston and Philly will have a lot of fun with our picks.

 

[namttebih]

Thoughts on Arvidsson? What do the advance stats say about his defensive game? Willy is our only right hand shot in the forward group. 3rd line with spot duty in top 6, plus right shot on PP2.

 

[fahad203]

Thoughts on Arvidsson? What do the advance stats say about his defensive game? Willy is our only right hand shot in the forward group. 3rd line with spot duty in top 6, plus right shot on PP2.

Another Jarnkrok as far as I'm concerned

 

[Menzinger]

No idea how things will go, but a lot of things can happen between now and the start of the season. Just so funny to me to see people already give up just because the Panthers got a good player. Should everyone else give up too, or just us?

That's why we watch the games. Panthers finished well out of the playoffs this past year, they aren't young and certainly won't be perfect. One or two injuries and their depth will be tested yet again.

They're also going to be losing pieces to try and make things fit, including their goalie who helped lead them to their cups

Folks need to stop acting like the playoff outcomes are set in stone by things that happen during the summer

 

[SprDaVE]

They're also going to be losing pieces to try and make things fit, including their goalie who helped lead them to their cups

Folks need to stop acting like the playoff outcomes are set in stone by things that happen during the summer

The Avs couldn't lose last season, no way, did you see that team? Exceptional team top to bottom, and they added Kadri?!?... Dusted by the Knights in 4... with the player thou shall not be named.

The Atlantic is going to be very good next year like ever year, a bloodbath even. If the Leafs want to compete, they better get on it this off-season. Raddysh is good, but a lot more to do. This should fire them up even more.

 

[Metroid]

I don't think it really has anything to do w/being afraid of them.
I think the Leafs should just read the room and be like you. it's not happening and I still maintain that we go, "thanks for the memories auston, but please give us a few teams. outside of the common 3 ones every american seems to list right now, and we can move on."

(yes. this goes for Will too, even though he's super passionate about being here)

let's start restructuring a new foundation and atmosphere and then release the hounds as it were. if freaking Brady Tkachuk can get a 3 1sts (including a top ten in this draft), I'm fairly certain even with the question marks about his health, Matthews can get something similarly sexy (as well as a roster player)

Fair enough

But I wanna beat the tkachuk goblins at once. I still say they miss the playoffs next year.

 

[BlackAdam]

Looking at the Brady Tkachuk trade the only thing that pisses me off about it is when you look at the Panthers trading their first round picks... it's brought in the likes or Matthew and Brady Tkachuk, Brad Marchand, Sam Reinhart, Seth Jones.

And what did the Leafs get when trading first round picks? Scott Laughton, Brandon Carlo, Nick Foligno, Cap Space to remove Patrick Marleau while that pick became Seth Jarvis

I get leafs were up to the cap so bringing in someone elite wasn't easy but it's just poor evaluation of assets and talent.

 

[SprDaVE]

Thoughts on Arvidsson? What do the advance stats say about his defensive game? Willy is our only right hand shot in the forward group. 3rd line with spot duty in top 6, plus right shot on PP2.

You could do a lot worse than him. He also did very well under Hiller before. Could be a pretty solid pick-up if he has interest in the Leafs.

He'll probably get a lot though... so sticker price warning. You'd be paying him to play top 6 minutes with PP2 ice time... might be a tough fit.

 

[OVO16]

I'm indifferent on Mason Marchment. Another Toronto guy who I think would be nice but Idk if he's Chayka's type of player, meaning if he's too slow.

But at the same time, we are adding a speedy star-level talent in Gavin McKenna to the forward group, so maybe we could use a power forward like Marchment in the top 6 to balance it out?

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Jake Debrusk
2nd Round Pick

To Vancouver-
Nick Robertson

DeBrusk-Tavares-Cowan would be a solid 3rd line

 

[ER89]

Offer the 1st overall, Knies, Danford, col 1st, and a player to be named later and see if edmonton will finally cut bait. Pretty decent haul to start the rebuild out there....

f*** that get him to come here cus he wants to, to significantly decrease that package

 

[Budz]

To Toronto-
Jake Debrusk
2nd Round Pick

To Vancouver-
Nick Robertson

DeBrusk-Tavares-Cowan would be a solid 3rd line

Why does Vancouver do this?

 

[BlackAdam]

To Toronto-
Jake Debrusk
2nd Round Pick

To Vancouver-
Nick Robertson

DeBrusk-Tavares-Cowan would be a solid 3rd line

Leafs are done with inconsistent players

 

[OVO16]

To Toronto-
Jake Debrusk
2nd Round Pick

To Vancouver-
Nick Robertson

DeBrusk-Tavares-Cowan would be a solid 3rd line

How are the canucks adding the pick here?

 

[Stephen]

Looking at the Brady Tkachuk trade the only thing that pisses me off about it is when you look at the Panthers trading their first round picks... it's brought in the likes or Matthew and Brady Tkachuk, Brad Marchand, Sam Reinhart, Seth Jones.

And what did the Leafs get when trading first round picks? Scott Laughton, Brandon Carlo, Nick Foligno, Cap Space to remove Patrick Marleau while that pick became Seth Jarvis

I get leafs were up to the cap so bringing in someone elite wasn't easy but it's just poor evaluation of assets and talent.

Kinda feel like trading a first rounder at the draft is a better time to do it than at the deadline, if you're going to do it.

 

[LeafsFansad]

I want actual hockey people to tear this apart.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Florida Panthers Connected to Acquiring Maple Leafs Goalie

As they look to solidify their goaltending, the Florida Panthers are being connected to acquiring Toronto Maple Leafs goalie Samuel Ersson.

heavy.com

According to NHL insider Elliotte Friedman, Florida is unlikely to re-sign Sergei Bobrovsky, and he believes the team may be interested in acquiring Samuel Ersson from the Maple Leafs to fill their void in net.

“I’ve heard it’s unlikely that Bobrovsky’s going to be back. I think that you should never guarantee anything this offseason, the way it’s been going, but I think it’s unlikely that he’s going to be back, so I wonder what they’re going to do in goal,” Friedman said.

“Maybe they have some interest in Ersson, who Toronto just acquired, and I’m not sure they’re going to keep him. But that’s the one thing I look at on their team and say, ‘How is that going to settle? What are they going to do in net?'”

 

[pcruz]

The main target (for me) would be Hronek. Obviously Pettersson would be very intriguing, but adding a long-term 28 year old RHD that can play a lot and produce to go with Raddysh and Tanev would be exceptional.

About 3 or 4 weeks ago, I made a comment about thinking the Leafs should try and see if they could make a deal work centered around Mo, EP40, and Hroenek.

My concern is that Pettersson is a slight, left handed player, and we already have far too many lefties.
It would take a bit of massaging, and likely a Cowan or so going as well, but I would do that move in a second.

Goes to show how much the Leafs steal the show. Nobody had any news on this for the entire summer.

Pagnotta is the only one that put out that he wouldn't be surprised if Tkachuk was traded, people shit on the guy for it. And it happened.

Didn't Pagnotta also almost instantly rebuke the whole CJ story?

Matthews will stay if fans rally around him this season. If they completely turn on him, for whatever reason, he’s gone.

There’s ego in his failures and lack of accountability for sure. But he does genuinely want to win here. When fans stop supporting him there’s clearly motive him for to want to leave

Auston has shown himself to be a person with decency, apart from his incident back at home when he was young, rich, and drunk.
And he seemed then, as he does now, to have learned that lesson immediately.

I think the fans in Toronto have to settle the f*** down with trashing their best players, even when they are disappointed in them.

This guy has shown the team, city, and its fans that he wants to be here. He wants to win here. He seems to really appreciate the role he has taken in Toronto.

Going back to his first game, he was asked about his 4 goals, and he immediately talked about losing the game.

Anyone who has watched the various documentaries surrounding the Leafs can see that he honestly wants to win badly. Maybe he isn't punching things and people, but that doesn't mean the fire isn't there.

I said the same thing about Mitch, and he showed that he does have what it takes. He can be a big piece in a winning side.

Auston is a much better overall player than Mitch could ever be - he is just as intelligent on the ice, he is physically more gifted, he can score like nobody else in the game, and he has the desire and ability to defend like the very best players.

I say again to all Leafs fans: learn to appreciate what you have in this guy. He is, has been, and is likely to continue being, one of the most special players in franchise history and even US history.

Don't chase him out, embrace him. Even the stuff that rubs off the wrong way.

He's not going to walk. When that Chris Johnston story came out I was very adamant that it was complete BS. I wasn't saying that because I was guessing. I've been told flat out that Matthews wants to extend here, and the leafs have known that for some time.

You have been, from day 1 of that story, very clear about this.

CJ has walked back his statements somewhat, and others who chimed in have also walked that all back.

Auaton has told us all, in plain f***ing English, he wants to stay and win in Toronto.


Now, if the team decides it wants to blow it up and rebuild for 10 years, he would be stupid to stay, as that plan obviously would not marry with his career in terms of timing or objectives.

And so, at the end of year when he said there are lots of things the team had to decide on, and that he couldn't foretell the future, people jumped off bridges here.

All he did was tell the truth. Flat out nothing else in that statement.

The team has shown us all their intent in the immediate future: to compete, while not giving up youth pieces.

If that leads to an improved season for the team, isn't that exactly what we all want, and what Auston has essentially asked for?

A guy who has the same objective and goal as the team, who genuinely appreciates the role as its captain, who believes the team has and continues making strides towards winning, why would he jump ship like Durant did?
It would be one of the most self-deprecating and humiliating decisions of his life, essentially admitting that he needed to move to a super team to win. To have such little faith in himself.

Matthews has never shown that he lacks self confidence on the ice.
He hasn't cowed when shit hits the fan.

The past 2 seasons he was challenged by a coach to drastically modify his approach to the game, because the coach must have convinced him that was the best move for the team. He didnt shrink, he totally embraced that shit role, took it on the chin for 2 full seasons and never complained or deviated from Berube's system.
Others on the team bailed on that plan. They weren't going to get their accolades and cookies.
Matthews just went out, and did what Chief wanted. It was bad for him personally, and ultimately the wrong thing for the team, but he didn't run away from that challenge.

If he was willing to not demand a trade or a coaching change after that, why would people think he wouldn't want to stay around with a coach and team more conducive to winning and personal success?

 

[SprDaVE]

Florida Panthers Connected to Acquiring Maple Leafs Goalie

As they look to solidify their goaltending, the Florida Panthers are being connected to acquiring Toronto Maple Leafs goalie Samuel Ersson.

heavy.com

According to NHL insider Elliotte Friedman, Florida is unlikely to re-sign Sergei Bobrovsky, and he believes the team may be interested in acquiring Samuel Ersson from the Maple Leafs to fill their void in net.

“I’ve heard it’s unlikely that Bobrovsky’s going to be back. I think that you should never guarantee anything this offseason, the way it’s been going, but I think it’s unlikely that he’s going to be back, so I wonder what they’re going to do in goal,” Friedman said.

“Maybe they have some interest in Ersson, who Toronto just acquired, and I’m not sure they’re going to keep him. But that’s the one thing I look at on their team and say, ‘How is that going to settle? What are they going to do in net?'”

Who knew the Leafs traded for future stanley cup goaltender Samuel Ersson... good for the Panthers I guess for finding that gem. I was told he was terrible.

 

[Duffman955]

I'm indifferent on Mason Marchment. Another Toronto guy who I think would be nice but Idk if he's Chayka's type of player, meaning if he's too slow.

But at the same time, we are adding a speedy star-level talent in Gavin McKenna to the forward group, so maybe we could use a power forward like Marchment in the top 6 to balance it out?

Hes not a great skater but he has very positive advanced stats, and he always finds a way to contribute offensively.

His possession, GF% and relative stats suggest he has a positive impact compared to his teammates and opposition. That seems like a chayka guy.

Weirdly enough Chayka hasn't brought on a single fast skating player yet lmao.

 

[Stephen]

Who knew the Leafs traded for future stanley cup goaltender Samuel Ersson... good for the Panthers I guess for finding that gem. I was told he was terrible.

Why should we trade him to Florida at a reasonable cost, lest he blossom into something good? I don't see the value proposition here, only the spite angle.