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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread -- To trade or not to trade...

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BlueForever75 said:
Ok so we have been seeing these contracts that have been handed out around the NHL for dmen. One in particular stands our for me and it should for the Leafs as well. Neil Pionk just signed not too long ago a contract for 4 years at 5.875 million per season. To me this is what Reilly is worth. If he's willing to sign at a discount to stay with the Leafs than that would be a 4 year deal at 5.5 million per season. He isnt worth a penny more look at both of their stat lines the past couple of seasons:

Pionk

2019-20 6goals 39assists 45pts with a plus 10 rating
2020-21 3goals 29assists 32pts with a plus 6 rating

Reilly

2019-20 3goals 24assists 27pts with plus 6 rating
2020-21 5goals 30 assists 35pts with plus 11 rating

Both players play the PP and high end minutes for their offensively gifted teams. Both do not play the PK.

If Reilly is targetting more than what Pionk got he should be dealt immediately. He would fit at that cost with the salary structure of our defense. Both Muzzin and Brodie are in that range and deservedly so.
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Oh god. Pionk is a comparable eh? :loony:
 
HEAVY DUTY said:
wow. how is this kid worth 9M+ per year after ONE good season in the NHL? i know the kid is talented but this is insane.
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It's definitely a very unique situation.

The team can't go short term like a 1 or 2 year deal beacuse then he'd get arbitration rights and could then jump to ufa quickly. He's basically their franchise player so it's either today up or start again from scratch.

But he definitely hasn't earned that level of money based on his 60 career NHL games
 
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nuck said:
That was kind of my point. The board discussions and various outside "expert" opinions seem to be driven by re-interpreting what Dubas might have meant in that July 24th quote. I have searched for any other Dubas Rielly comments and was unable to find anything first hand. In any case, it was never suggested that he had tried to resign Mo before the other big D contracts so it doesn't really matter who was delaying things. Rielly isn't 27 year old Doughty, or Pietro, or Karlsson so failing to push for an early signing at the best possible terms may never have been a priority. For all we know even $6.5M x 8 is outside of KD's comfort zone because there is just no money. And he is waiting and having dialogue, same as with Hyman but the outcome was pre-determined and he can't start exploring a deal until the other top defensemen are signed and MR becomes the only option for a trading partner.

There isn't a lot of disclosure from this regime so I think we will still be left guessing what was going on behind the scenes however it works out. I am pretty sure if he is moved it won't be because they were 500k apart. Running a big 4 in a flat cap is a house of cards if the GM isn't looking at least two years ahead and I think the club is probably looking at multiple options right now.
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With the increase in the cap next year and the money retained for Phil coming off the books, Leafs could easily do 7.2 x8. My guess is 44 wants 8+.
 
ToneDog said:
With the increase in the cap next year and the money retained for Phil coming off the books, Leafs could easily do 7.2 x8. My guess is 44 wants 8+.
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Leafs are the only team that can give him an 8 year deal. The Leafs can afford to offer in the 7 mil per range as that would equal an 8 per x 7 year he could get elsewhere.
 
New Liskeard said:
Leafs are the only team that can give him an 8 year deal. The Leafs can afford to offer in the 7 mil per range as that would equal an 8 per x 7 year he could get elsewhere.
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Right I am thinking 7.5x8=60m with the usual front loading. If that was the price I question why it has not been done. Maybe Rielly asking 8+x8 thinking he can get 9+x7 on the open market?
 
Allegedly Phil Kessel could be had for a 3rd. Even at 50% retention it'd be hard to pull off, but he'd definitely add a layer of quality goal scoring. I wouldn't be against it... Not that I imagine he'd have any interest in returning
 
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ToneDog said:
With the increase in the cap next year and the money retained for Phil coming off the books, Leafs could easily do 7.2 x8. My guess is 44 wants 8+.
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They could do that if they wanted to be trapped with a bottom 6 populated by $1M players for the next couple of years. Their only hope of some relief is moving Kerfoot out (spot filled by?) and Robertson stepping in (may be a year away). Any player on a cheap 1 year deal or if Mik or Engvall take a step will want a raise next season, as will Campbell and as soon as the cap starts to rise again Matthews and Nylander will be looking for raises. Do we have any illusions that they won't be seeking market topping contracts again? There is no long term solution that accommodates resigning MR and also allows a real improvement of the bottom 6 because cap growth is being treated by high end players and their agents as an inflation adjustment.

If this is a Cup winning lineup then you do it and deal with poverty until Muzzin is gone and JT's new deal or replacement allows some breathing room. I don't quite think they are there yet and they don't have the luxury of seeing how many of the pieces fall into place and then extending Rielly. A big 5 is just building a salary dynasty without any playoff success to justify it. I could be wrong but don't think their first choice was ever to extend him because the cap room was clearly not going to be there. I think they are just trying to work a deal and if that's the case I hope it isn't a Kadri situation where they wanted two players back PLUS retention and don't want to involve a third team.
 
shortfuze said:
Toronto has actually been pretty good for not leaking information.
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If information didn't leak how do you know they only have two weeks left to sign Rielly?

shortfuze said:
who says he isnt talking to rielly? also, he has already stated that he doesnt want to be in this position again and will move him if rielly isnt re-signed in august.
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ToneDog said:
Right I am thinking 7.5x8=60m with the usual front loading. If that was the price I question why it has not been done. Maybe Rielly asking 8+x8 thinking he can get 9+x7 on the open market?
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It hasn't been done because Rielly's agent is having a hard time trying to convert to Dubie dollars.
 
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shortfuze said:
I

never said no information gets leaked but the other poster is acting like it always gets leaked. Which isn’t true.
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where was it leaked that they only have the end of August to sign him?
 
horner said:
Leave now Dubas .

If he doesn't we will get nothing for our top players when they hit UFA status.
Mathews and Marner
Dubas dont want to pressure them a year earlier we will wait until after the season GONE no assets .

Leave now please.........

Didn't learn anything from the Hyman experience.
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What Hyman experience? He was always going ufa and we were never trading him beforehand.
 
ACC1224 said:
where was it leaked that they only have the end of August to sign him?
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I can’t remember exactly what I said but from what I remember is that Dubas was going to start talking to Rielly in august about a new contract but also said that he doesn’t want to leave himself in a position like he was with Hyman. Everything will start in august but he wasn’t specific about it ending in august.
 
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Sypher04 said:
Allegedly Phil Kessel could be had for a 3rd. Even at 50% retention it'd be hard to pull off, but he'd definitely add a layer of quality goal scoring. I wouldn't be against it... Not that I imagine he'd have any interest in returning
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Kessel would be a deadline deal for almost every interested team I imagine. Retention + accrued cap space will make him a very attractive option.
 
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