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Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

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Legion34 said:
Victor rask would be another for a defensive shutdown player.

Vagner/stats as cheap leaders.

Toronto has plenty of options.
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Not sure I would consider Rask as a defensive shutdown player. He may be an option on our offensive line in the bottom 6, but even then, he has struggled to put up offense for a number of years. We could be a team and a system which helps him get back on track but he has to be sub-mill and we have to be convinced he can return to some semblance of a 40 point player if he is given the right opportunities.
 
deprw said:
I think at the moment you should be asking as GM will this helps us winning the next one? In player quality they lost their #2 defenseman for nothing (or cap dump), so probably then answer for the season 2022-2023 is it doesn't help.

Same thing applies here, if we trade Tavares or Muzzin. Does it help or not? We're not in immediate cap trouble, which is good planning from our front office. We can make calculated decisions without being forced to dump our #2 D or #2 C.

It's positive thing not negative.
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I’m not really thinking of it as positive or negative. I look at the Leafs build and it feels kind of maxed out relative to player upsides, organizational pipeline, cap allocation etc. Can we get our championship finishing pieces?

So the most direct way out would be to be able to carve out a massive amount of cap space and try to reshuffle the middle of the roster with cheaper buys in a flat cap environment.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Not sure I would consider Rask as a defensive shutdown player. He may be an option on our offensive line in the bottom 6, but even then, he has struggled to put up offense for a number of years. We could be a team and a system which helps him get back on track but he has to be sub-mill and we have to be convinced he can return to some semblance of a 40 point player if he is given the right opportunities.
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Think Victor Rask is more of a reclamation than a defensive specialist. His offensive game took a wrong turn somewhere leaving Carolina for Minnesota.
 
WayneTrain said:
We have a better offensive player already in the lineup. Kerfoot.
Matthews, Tavares, Kerfoot, Kampf down the middle I have no issue with. Add some intensity and pace to their wings
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Kerfoot isn’t a better center than Kampf. Also, we can’t add pace anything to their wings without the cap space that trading Kerfoot would create.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Not sure I would consider Rask as a defensive shutdown player. He may be an option on our offensive line in the bottom 6, but even then, he has struggled to put up offense for a number of years. We could be a team and a system which helps him get back on track but he has to be sub-mill and we have to be convinced he can return to some semblance of a 40 point player if he is given the right opportunities.
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I watched a lot of Wild games last season and I don't really care for adding Rask. He didn't look good at all, hence the demotions etc.
 
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Stephen said:
I’m not really thinking of it as positive or negative. I look at the Leafs build and it feels kind of maxed out relative to player upsides, organizational pipeline, cap allocation etc. Can we get our championship finishing pieces?

So the most direct way out would be to be able to carve out a massive amount of cap space and try to reshuffle the middle of the roster with cheaper buys in a flat cap environment.
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That is one good solution and I think it's anticipated. Will see how this off-season turns out once things get going. I'm just arguing that we're toying with the idea about trading Muzzin away as copycat move. Though Tampa didn't do that move because they wanted to and I think he had season or two left in him, that would help them win the Stanley Cup. So I don't think that is comparable to our situation, where we should look our team and our solutions from our viewpoint. Tampa were forced and were not.

If we want to dump Muzzin I think best option is to do it next summer and do that shuffle by trading away players that have value to gain assets, which can be turned into players and their cap space used for UFAs.

Every summer we demand these moves and when we make those we moan in Kadri case and feel pretty happy that we didn't pull the trigger like in Marner case.

One thing to remember that we might not have that much room to grow but all of our main competitors will become weaker after this off-season, so even if we can keep our team and hopefully get one upgrade, that might be enough. Might be, but still. Florida, Tampa, Avs, Bruins everyone will bleed assets.
 
BertCorbeau said:
What are your thoughts on Bjugstad? He could be a physical C/LW on the 4th line
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I think he's just that - an option on the 4th line. I wouldn't expect any offense, and while he averaged like 1.7 hits per game, he's one of those guys you see on the ice and wonder why he doesn't hit more. IMO anyway.

I recall him (and Rask) both getting looks with Kaprizov when he first came over and neither could really do anything or keep up.
 
deprw said:
One thing to remember that we might not have that much room to grow but all of our main competitors will become weaker after this off-season, so even if we can keep our team and hopefully get one upgrade, that might be enough. Might be, but still. Florida, Tampa, Avs, Bruins everyone will bleed assets.
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It’s not like we’re not losing assets too. Our starting goalie and best left winger are likely heading out the door.
 
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Sandin for Knight could make a lot of sense. Sandin is 1 year older. FLA has Bobrovsky for 4 more years. Their LHD depth is Forsling/Carlsson. Weegar plays LD but he is UFA next year. Leafs get a 21 year old goalie who has put up decent results but hasn't broken out yet. They could pair him with Fleury this year if Fleury is willing to come to Toronto.
 
Americanadian said:
Sandin for Knight could make a lot of sense. Sandin is 1 year older. FLA has Bobrovsky for 4 more years. Their LHD depth is Forsling/Carlsson. Weegar plays LD but he is UFA next year. Leafs get a 21 year old goalie who has put up decent results but hasn't broken out yet. They could pair him with Fleury this year if Fleury is willing to come to Toronto.
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Do that deal in a second, but doubt Florida is interested. They’re willing to retain 1/2 of Bob’s contract to move him out.
 
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deprw said:
That is one good solution and I think it's anticipated. Will see how this off-season turns out once things get going. I'm just arguing that we're toying with the idea about trading Muzzin away as copycat move. Though Tampa didn't do that move because they wanted to and I think he had season or two left in him, that would help them win the Stanley Cup. So I don't think that is comparable to our situation, where we should look our team and our solutions from our viewpoint. Tampa were forced and were not.

If we want to dump Muzzin I think best option is to do it next summer and do that shuffle by trading away players that have value to gain assets, which can be turned into players and their cap space used for UFAs.

Every summer we demand these moves and when we make those we moan in Kadri case and feel pretty happy that we didn't pull the trigger like in Marner case.

One thing to remember that we might not have that much room to grow but all of our main competitors will become weaker after this off-season, so even if we can keep our team and hopefully get one upgrade, that might be enough. Might be, but still. Florida, Tampa, Avs, Bruins everyone will bleed assets.
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One strange way we could actually become a champion which isn’t talked about enough is how much the top teams get worse relative to us. It’s kind of a funky flat cap dynamic, but think of it like who is standing tallest after everyone gets a haircut. There is a path for us but not in a traditional, constructive fun way to build a team.
 
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Americanadian said:
Sandin for Knight could make a lot of sense. Sandin is 1 year older. FLA has Bobrovsky for 4 more years. Their LHD depth is Forsling/Carlsson. Weegar plays LD but he is UFA next year. Leafs get a 21 year old goalie who has put up decent results but hasn't broken out yet. They could pair him with Fleury this year if Fleury is willing to come to Toronto.
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I doubt Florida does that but I would be all over that!
 
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Americanadian said:
Sandin for Knight could make a lot of sense. Sandin is 1 year older. FLA has Bobrovsky for 4 more years. Their LHD depth is Forsling/Carlsson. Weegar plays LD but he is UFA next year. Leafs get a 21 year old goalie who has put up decent results but hasn't broken out yet. They could pair him with Fleury this year if Fleury is willing to come to Toronto.
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Good luck with that. I think you might be over rating Sandin, not to mention Florida is not the team that is going to help you put out our tire fire between the pipes.
 
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I mentioned a deal around Sandin for Knight a while ago. I do think it would take more now with Sandin to acquire Knight however.
 
With the hiring of Sanford doe he recommend the leafs acquire one of Silovs or Dipietro? Neither help the Leafs right now but maybe he likes one and sees potential in them.
 
Stephen said:
One strange way we could actually become a champion which isn’t talked about enough is how much the top teams get worse relative to us. It’s kind of a funky flat cap dynamic, but think of it like who is standing tallest after everyone gets a haircut. There is a path for us but not in a traditional, constructive fun way to build a team.
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One odd gift we got by at least lightly overpaying our stars is that relative to whole league it should be easier to resign them and not get worse after it. Avalanche will have to make moves to be able to keep MacKinnon and Florida will be in trouble with Huberdeau after next season.

This flat cap adds whole new dynamic to this league, that so long banked on cap rising and signing players to contract that get better overtime. We got shafted by this logic, but teams like Bruins, Panthers, Lightning and Avalanche will be caught by it when those sweetheart deals end.

Odd dynamic and not fun one.
 
Amadeus said:
Spencer Knight ? He's Florida's goalie of the future. No way they're dealing him.
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Not for Sandin anyway. I mean the Canucks moved Schnieder when there were no takers for Luongo so if they have to pay him, they might move him if they can't find a taker for Bob.
 
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