Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[SprDaVE]

Latest Leaf Report
-Mirtle says Muzzin isn't being traded.
-Holl will be traded
-Liljegren's AAV is the highest Leafs want to go for Sandin's contract
-Senses Leafs will spend up to 7 million on 2 goalies. One goalie at 4-5 million, and other at 2 million. The goalies Leafs will look at are Varlamov, Fleury, Husso or Campbell.
-reshape the bottom 6

Makes sense. I know Mirtle has said in a previous Leafs Report he doesn't see a great market for Kerfoot so the Leafs might opt to keep him. I assume they didn't mention his name this podcast? Because if they plan on using around 7M on goaltenders, on top of the filler players, they will need to shed cap space I think.

It does seem like the Leafs are going to go pretty young in their additions, more likely from promotions. The rest of the money will be on mostly goaltenders.

 

[budzz]

So if Toronto is willing to spend 5m on a goalie, I guess Gibson is till an option if we can get them to retain 1.4m.

I don’t see any other goalie, I’d be comfortable spending 5m on, Not on Campbell, Not on Husso, not on signing Fluery or Varlamov to a contract extensions at that range. Gibson at 5m is the more comfortable for me knowing he’s at least posted solid numbers before.

I read somewhere that florida wants to move bobrovsky and would be willing to eat up to 50% of his contract. 4 more years at 5 million would work. No idea what the cost might be, but I'd jump on that.

 

[SprDaVE]

If you move Mrazek, Kerfoot and Holl... before any Marlies or Abruzzese type moves up, taking Simmonds and Clifford out of the equation we actually would have pretty good flexiblity. I had Engvall at $1.5 mil. (we shall see)

Bunting Matthews Marner
xxx Tavares Nylander
xxx Kampf Engvall
xxx xxx xxx

Mo Brodie
Muzzin Sandin
Gio Liljegren

xxx
xxx

$16 mil in cap space.

$6 mil in goalies, gives us $10 mil to fill five spots on forward.. to have a minimum 20 man roster...

I added in Robertson, Abruzzese, and Niemala to the lineup, just for bodies, to get to a 16 man roster. (I know Niemala is unlikely, it's just a body for Capfriendly)

Puts us at $7.5 mil leftover, to sign three/(four if you want a 22 man roster) forwards... (If assume $6 mil on goalies)

League minimum contract is $750,000 this year.

Dubas has been pretty good at finding efficient bottom line players. Last year getting Bunting, Kampf and Kase was probably among the best signings out there.

I wouldn't be surprised if he targets a player or two that we didn't see coming.

I also wouldn't count out Simmonds as a 4th line player. He'll probably be at the very least a rotating player. Clifford is less likely to make it but he's also a cheap veteran they'll have as an option.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Are you just looking at points? By what means have you judged this?

Hes a 4 C with Limited upside. Maybe he becomes a 3c one day but I doubt it. Sandin will be a top 4d more then likely in a year or two. You don't trade a potential 4d for a 4c with a moderate chance to be a 3c.

 

[ACC1224]

I read somewhere that florida wants to move bobrovsky and would be willing to eat up to 50% of his contract. 4 more years at 5 million would work. No idea what the cost might be, but I'd jump on that.

With the Leafs and Panthers battling for the Division the next few seasons I wouldn't think the Panthers would be looking to help solve the Leafs goaltending issues.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Makes sense. I know Mirtle has said in a previous Leafs Report he doesn't see a great market for Kerfoot so the Leafs might opt to keep him. I assume they didn't mention his name this podcast? Because if they plan on using around 7M on goaltenders, on top of the filler players, they will need to shed cap space I think.

It does seem like the Leafs are going to go pretty young in their additions, more likely from promotions. The rest of the money will be on mostly goaltenders.

If they just tinker but mostly run it back and go out in round 1 again, I would be willing to bet my house at that point in time, you can kiss Matthews good bye.

Muzzin did PRP to get through the playoffs and it's not a long term solution, another 2 years on the deal? Insane to hold on.

They need to make actual changes to their group, you can't love a team that hasn't won a thing *that much* if you're the GM, it's business.

If you can get a 2nd for Kerfoot after you've paid out the bonus, do it, use the $$ elsewhere. Sometimes change for change sake isn't a bad thing, bad mojo around the group.

 

[Apex Predator]

I see people always asking how do you replace Nylanders goals if you trade him. It’s not about replacing Nylander it’s about making a balance and depth throughout the 4 lines, d pairing and goaltending.


We don’t need to add goals we need to add traits that this team lacks in the playoffs. (Grit and toughnes) We need to be find ways to win in the playoffs when we can only score 2 goals. The game tightens up in the playoffs and we need to be built for that.

People don’t like Lyubshkin but we need a player like him. He brings a trait that can’t be found on advanced stats. Hitting and toughness does change the game mentally for the leafs and their opponents. Hitting gives the team energy and that boost to go. You see a guy lay out the other player and you get pumped up.

 

[ToneDog]

I see people always asking how do you replace Nylanders goals if you trade him. It’s not about replacing Nylander it’s about making a balance and depth throughout the 4 lines, d pairing and goaltending.


We don’t need to add goals we need to add traits that this team lacks in the playoffs. (Grit and toughnes) We need to be find ways to win in the playoffs when we can only score 2 goals. The game tightens up in the playoffs and we need to be built for that.

People don’t like Lyubshkin but we need a player like him. He brings a trait that can’t be found on advanced stats. Hitting and toughness does change the game mentally for the leafs and their opponents. Hitting gives the team energy and that boost to go. You see a guy lay out the other player and you get pumped up.

Game 6 SCF. Stamkos makes big hit on MacKinnon. Ranta makes big hit on Palat. Matty started playing more physical but what other Leaf forward makes those hits, let alone one in our top 6. Answer maybe Bunting.

 

[Duffman955]

We should replace Matthews with 20 guys who can score 3 goals each.

That will bring balance to our lineup

 

[Dreakmur]

Wonder how they’ll afford him.

Move out Killorn? But that net savings is minimal.

They’re running out of moveable contracts to re-sign guys.

They have almost 5 million in cap space to fill 1 roster spot, so they can easily bring back Nick Paul.

They would have to move Killorn to re-sign Ondrej Palat.

 

[ULF_55]

I see people always asking how do you replace Nylanders goals if you trade him. It’s not about replacing Nylander it’s about making a balance and depth throughout the 4 lines, d pairing and goaltending.


We don’t need to add goals we need to add traits that this team lacks in the playoffs. (Grit and toughnes) We need to be find ways to win in the playoffs when we can only score 2 goals. The game tightens up in the playoffs and we need to be built for that.

People don’t like Lyubshkin but we need a player like him. He brings a trait that can’t be found on advanced stats. Hitting and toughness does change the game mentally for the leafs and their opponents. Hitting gives the team energy and that boost to go. You see a guy lay out the other player and you get pumped up.

You can add without moving.

They already have openings due to UFA status players.

They don't need to look for more skill, or scoring.

They just need a forward who can skate and brings some snarl on the second line, and it doesn't have to be a 2nd. line player. It really is about adding a 3rd. player on the 2nd. line that works. Could even be a prospect. It's about fit.

Some people are just making it too complicated.

 

[Americanadian]

We should replace Matthews with 20 guys who can score 3 goals each.

That will bring balance to our lineup

This is a strong argument. If we can find 2 goalies that are a lock for 3 goals a piece I'd be significantly more entertained.

 

[Apex Predator]

We should replace Matthews with 20 guys who can score 3 goals each.

That will bring balance to our lineup

You missed the point completely. You can’t compare replacing Matthews like replacing Nylander.

 

[ACC1224]

We should replace Matthews with 20 guys who can score 3 goals each.

That will bring balance to our lineup

Is this what passes for humour these days?

 

[stickty111]

Interesting.

Wonder what reshaping the bottom 6 looks like.

It's going to likely be value additions like last year and keep maybe 2 spots open for Marlies to fight over.

Im happy to see they plan to bring in a proper starter rather than spending like 2 million on each. If the leafs bring back Campbell for 5 i will be pissed though... never proven he can be a number 1 guy yet and he is 30, is injury prone and just had a couple months of some of the worst goaltending I've seen in years.

I really hope someone else makes that mistake.


Yup I saw that. Maybe that's what is keeping up Sandin's contract?

Everything points to Jack leaving. Very likely 2 new goalies

If you move Mrazek, Kerfoot and Holl... before any Marlies or Abruzzese type moves up, taking Simmonds and Clifford out of the equation we actually would have pretty good flexiblity. I had Engvall at $1.5 mil. (we shall see)

Bunting Matthews Marner
xxx Tavares Nylander
xxx Kampf Engvall
xxx xxx xxx

Mo Brodie
Muzzin Sandin
Gio Liljegren

xxx
xxx

$16 mil in cap space.

$6 mil in goalies, gives us $10 mil to fill five spots on forward.. to have a minimum 20 man roster...

I added in Robertson, Abruzzese, and Niemala to the lineup, just for bodies, to get to a 16 man roster. (I know Niemala is unlikely, it's just a body for Capfriendly)

Puts us at $7.5 mil leftover, to sign three/(four if you want a 22 man roster) forwards... (If assume $6 mil on goalies)

League minimum contract is $750,000 this year.

Plenty of space when you remove Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek

Interesting that Blackwood wasn't mentioned. With Jersey's interest in Campbell, I thought he would be an option in a bigger trade. Unless they're eyeing him for that "2 million" spot.

I was thinking Blackwood for backup spot with a clear starter in front

Makes sense. I know Mirtle has said in a previous Leafs Report he doesn't see a great market for Kerfoot so the Leafs might opt to keep him. I assume they didn't mention his name this podcast? Because if they plan on using around 7M on goaltenders, on top of the filler players, they will need to shed cap space I think.

It does seem like the Leafs are going to go pretty young in their additions, more likely from promotions. The rest of the money will be on mostly goaltenders.

Kerfoot wasn't mentioned in this podcast really. Another thing that adds a wrinkle is apparently Leafs have discussed having 2 different defences for regular season and playoffs. I don't see how thats possible but something to track if they make moves. Marner at centre was brought up as well which Marner is open too apparently.

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs only have 10 NHL forwards right now, and that includes Simmonds, Clifford, and Abruzzese.

Leafs have to add without moving players.

 

[Duffman955]

You missed the point completely. You can’t compare replacing Matthews like replacing Nylander.

Uses the same logic you were using lmfao

 

[Apex Predator]

Uses the same logic you were using lmfao

Comparing a center who scores 60 goals to a winger who takes nights off and scores 30ish goals. Not even close to the same logic.

Maybe you were making a joke and it went over my head. If that’s the case my bad.

 

[notdoneyet]

Honourable mention: Nico Sturm, Trevor Lewis, Johan Larsson, Sam Gagner, Ryan Dzingel, Mark Pysyk, Nick Cousins

WTF would anyone want sam gagner
If thats what dubas gets he should be fired

 

[Gabriel426]

Management needs to evaluate every player and ask themselves which players could have played in the final? Which players are willing to do what it takes to get there? Assuming management watched the playoffs….

Well, I know Dubas and Spezza were watching the memorial cup. Lol

 

[Americanadian]

Uses the same logic you were using lmfao

Replacing Nylander/Spezza/Simmonds at 8.6M with a 4M UFA who can score 20 goals (Marchment?) in the top 6 and a 3M UFA who can score 15 goals in the bottom 6 (Rodrigues?) and 15 goals from a player you get for Nylander in return on an ELC (Tomasino?) while all 3 provide better defense than Nylander/Spezza/Simmonds doesn't seem that outlandish. You could also go after Mangiapane who provides the goal scoring AND the defense at probably 1M less than Nylander. The acquisition cost of a Mangiapane offer sheet would be a 1st/3rd which is probably less than you'd get in return for Nylander.

 

[ULF_55]

WTF would anyone want sam gagner
If thats what dubas gets he should be fired

Why?

Or do you mean if that's all he gets?

Gagner is a NHL player, and if he comes in at Spezza money, he's just insurance.

 

[thusk]

Good lord this is such a poor way to construct your argument. Hey you know what would have been cool, if someone else scores a few goals in that third period so we could have tied it.

When the leafs were losing to cbj 4-1 in the third and William scored the first goal to make it 4-2 people like you would have been saying it was a useless goal. Guess what? It wasn't. Cherry picking stats is silly.


Or you know what, I'd love to see why a 7m player is held to the same standards in the playoffs as our 11m superstars.

You value gibson more than William based on your trade proposals and that's just a horrific take unfortunately. Like it doesn't make sense.

How many time did you see in your life a team came back of 3 goal in the last 8 or 4 in a period? If youre happy with a player playing trash 1st 50 and get a good last 10 minutes with a 3 goal game, fine for you but i prefer a guy who will work hard 60 with maybe less skilled. You will never win by staring to play with a 3 or 4 goal deficit, Never!!!

-Why tampa won 2 cup and reach a 3rd final in 3 year? Its not kucherov, stamkos, point or hedman the main reason is Vasilevskiy
-Why montreal reach stanley cup? Price
-Why vegas reach stanley cup in his 1st season? Fleury
-why pittsburgh won 2 back to back cup murray and fleury was very good
-Why blues won cups, Bunnington saved their season and was clutch on playoff. Was playing his best hockey a the right time.
- Washington : holtby was great on playoff before he started to decline pretty hard
Lak Quick was amaizing
Hawks : crawford was excellent

Without goalie making save and being clutch at the right time...its will be hard to win anything...youre better to have a hell of a team like avs this season if you hope win that way and i dont think leafs is even close to get avs D or same kind of depht...

Soni prefer bet on a #1 goalie than on a 4th foward...

 

[Dreakmur]

Why?

Or do you mean if that's all he gets?

Gagner is a NHL player, and if he comes in at Spezza money, he's just insurance.

If Gagner starts on this roster, it’s a problem.

 

[Duffman955]

Replacing Nylander/Spezza/Simmonds at 8.6M with a 4M UFA who can score 20 goals (Marchment?) in the top 6 and a 3M UFA who can score 15 goals in the bottom 6 (Rodrigues?) and 15 goals from a player you get for Nylander in return on an ELC (Tomasino?) while all 3 provide better defense than Nylander/Spezza/Simmonds doesn't seem that outlandish. You could also go after Mangiapane who provides the goal scoring AND the defense at probably 1M less than Nylander. The acquisition cost of a Mangiapane offer sheet would be a 1st/3rd which is probably less than you'd get in return for Nylander.

Why doesn't Tampa replace Stamkos 42 goals with 3 players who put up 15 goals each?