Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[ULF_55]

Who's with me on Vinny Hinostroza as a high-motor type for the 4th line?

If this is the Coyote Vinny I am in.

 

[Dreakmur]

Who's with me on Vinny Hinostroza as a high-motor type for the 4th line?

If we want that, keep Blackwell.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Gibson is one of best goalie in the NHL playing in front of one of the worst team. The only reason ducks was so competitive last season was gibson. Sure if you watching just the stats, you will not see anything...Do you think you take vasilevskiy and put him in a team like arizona or detroit or any awful team, so you really think he will keep his stats high? He would be pretty close of gibson kind of stats...

He is responsible for a lot of his woes. Sure, his team doesn't help and maybe behind a good defense he can regain some of his composure, but he (and he alone) has not played like a top goalie for a while now. Even when he had good regular season numbers, he had some really rotten playoff games.

He is also turning 29 and still has 5 years left on a very inflated contract. He is not at cap dump territory, but he is not a guy who should be demanding top assets and ANA is going to need to take some money back too. We are talking about Mrazek at the very least. It depends on what we get for them, but I can't see the Leafs paying more than a return they get for either Holl or Kerfoot + a B prospect on top of Mrazek, and even that is a major homerun swing that could really come back to bite the Leafs. Although I guess if you are looking for a Kawhi risk vs. upside move, that is probably the closest thing you'd get.

 

[Amadeus]

Need to sign Nick Paul in the offseason if possible. He's what our third line needs. I'd trade Kerfoot to open up room for him.

 

[Zero1]

One name is off the list. Rust re-signed at 6-years $5.125 mill AAV.

 

[thusk]

He is responsible for a lot of his woes. Sure, his team doesn't help and maybe behind a good defense he can regain some of his composure, but he (and he alone) has not played like a top goalie for a while now. Even when he had good regular season numbers, he had some really rotten playoff games.

He is also turning 29 and still has 5 years left on a very inflated contract. He is not at cap dump territory, but he is not a guy who should be demanding top assets and ANA is going to need to take some money back too. We are talking about Mrazek at the very least. It depends on what we get for them, but I can't see the Leafs paying more than a return they get for either Holl or Kerfoot + a B prospect on top of Mrazek, and even that is a major homerun swing that could really come back to bite the Leafs. Although I guess if you are looking for a Kawhi risk vs. upside move, that is probably the closest thing you'd get.

Its like Carey Price, he didn't had big stats last 3 or 4 season he played but still a tremendous goalie amount top 5 in the NHL when healthy. You just cant do everything on the ice!!!

Sure when your team suck and having a huge lack of depht in every position and you need to almost steal every game you playing to have a shot to win... sure you will probably loom bad as goalie and it will be extremely hard to keep confidence high.Gibson in a good team Around 0.920 to 0.930 % saves and something between 2 to 2.50 GAA its what you can expect of

you give me a choice between a nylander or gibson to give me the best chance to win a cup and the choice will be extremely easy to do. For me its the same than having to choose between stamkos or vasilevskiy to win a cup. Tampa was able to win a cup without stamkos but will never be the case without vasilevskiy.

A 3 team trade

to x team
Nylander

To toronto
Gibson

To anaheim
Asset of X team

I do it anytime

 

[Gallagbi]

One name is off the list. Rust re-signed at 6-years $5.125 mill AAV.

I don't think Rust ever made sense with us. We're RW heavy in the top 6 and lacking on the left with limited cap space

 

[supermann_98]

Except they all agree on contracts prior to….. the idea that Matthews would want to go back to Toronto and listen to rumours and all the circus just wouldn’t happen

Cj himself said it wouldn’t. There will be a decision one way or another.

Like Seth Jones. He says I will sign extension with x or trade me to wherever but I’m not signing.

So a local reporter who works for a network owned by the Leafs should be the final word on what would or would not happen?

If Dubas doesn't bend to Matthews' contract demands all Matthews has to say is he won't negotiate during the season and will not comment on his contract status during interviews. Sure there'd be a Twitter circus, but how would that bother him day-to-day?

If he's greedy and he wants say $15m/year and won't sign for a penny less, he's gone ... and I'm not even worried about Arizona, they are a joke of an organization.

I'm more worried about a California team or the Rangers or another US based like that where he doesn't have to put up with the BS Toronto media and can walk down the street without being recognized by anyone and everyone while still cashing in on huge endorsement deals as the best US born player in the world.

Dubas walked him to UFA 3 years earlier than he should have and put his own team in the position to lose him for nothing is his final year with that asinine NMC. There's dumb and then there's Dubas-dumb, at least when it comes to contract negotiation

 

[4thline]

The minimalist off-season
Re-sign
Engvall/Liljegren/Sandin all 1.5 x 1-2 years
One of Malgin/Kase 1.25 1 year

Trade
Kerfoot & Mrazek

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Marner
Engvall-Kampf-Malgin/Kase
Clifford-Abbruzzese-Simmonds
xxx

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Holl
xxx

1G
2G

7m for goaltending, 1.7k for xxx's, 1.4 to accrue to ~4ish by the deadline.

Before anyone starts yammering about it not being an improvement, not being a cup team. No it's not - on Oct 1. But the team on Oct 1 does not need to be the team that competes in the playoffs, it just has to be good enough to get us to the dance, IF there's room for growth through the season. This has that, both through the development of youth and the cap space to make some serious additions.

 

[Legion34]

So a local reporter who works for a network owned by the Leafs should be the final word on what would or would not happen?

If Dubas doesn't bend to Matthews' contract demands all Matthews has to say is he won't negotiate during the season and will not comment on his contract status during interviews. Sure there'd be a Twitter circus, but how would that bother him day-to-day?

If he's greedy and he wants say $15m/year and won't sign for a penny less, he's gone ... and I'm not even worried about Arizona, they are a joke of an organization.

I'm more worried about a California team or the Rangers or another US based like that where he doesn't have to put up with the BS Toronto media and can walk down the street without being recognized by anyone and everyone while still cashing in on huge endorsement deals as the best US born player in the world.

Dubas walked him to UFA 3 years earlier than he should have and put his own team in the position to lose him for nothing is his final year with that asinine NMC. There's dumb and then there's Dubas-dumb, at least when it comes to contract negotiation

1.) yes. A local insider with strong ties to the team (ie kadri getting traded. Babcock getting 20 games) etc would absolutely know the current plans.


2.) there is very little chance that that top star on the biggest team who watched Marner go through his contract and the Tavares disaster would play that season out. When he could just go home and have it all worked out in the offseason


3.) by playing out his last year. He gives up an 8th year. If that is important to him

4.) the top us born player in a smaller market means nothing. Compared to endorsements in Toronto. He knows that. Patrick Kane is a top us player. MVP. 3 time cup winner. He isn’t a cross over hit

5.) he absolutely might walk. CJ has also reported that he would like to bring hockey to hispanics. That might make him want to go to La or Dallas.

The odds that he would want to leave. Come back and go through all that just to sign somewhere else knowing what JT went through. When he could just demand a trade. Or only negotiate an extension with X like Seth Jones is really unlikely

 

[MarMarSab3]

The minimalist off-season
Re-sign
Engvall/Liljegren/Sandin all 1.5 x 1-2 years
One of Malgin/Kase 1.25 1 year

Trade
Kerfoot & Mrazek

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Robertson-Tavares-Marner
Engvall-Kampf-Malgin/Kase
Clifford-Abbruzzese-Simmonds
xxx

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liljegren
Sandin-Holl
xxx

1G
2G

7m for goaltending, 1.7k for xxx's, 1.4 to accrue to ~4ish by the deadline.

Before anyone starts yammering about it not being an improvement, not being a cup team. No it's not - on Oct 1. But the team on Oct 1 does not need to be the team that competes in the playoffs, it just has to be good enough to get us to the dance, IF there's room for growth through the season. This has that, both through the development of youth and the cap space to make some serious additions.

So make us even less physical? Did we not watch the playoffs?

 

[4thline]

So make us even less physical? Did we not watch the playoffs?

Go back, read the last paragraph, respond again.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Go back, read the last paragraph, respond again.

Except you don't change the identity or or play style of a team in March, that starts in September

 

[ULF_55]

1.) yes. A local insider with strong ties to the team (ie kadri getting traded. Babcock getting 20 games) etc would absolutely know the current plans.


2.) there is very little chance that that top star on the biggest team who watched Marner go through his contract and the Tavares disaster would play that season out. When he could just go home and have it all worked out in the offseason


3.) by playing out his last year. He gives up an 8th year. If that is important to him

4.) the top us born player in a smaller market means nothing. Compared to endorsements in Toronto. He knows that. Patrick Kane is a top us player. MVP. 3 time cup winner. He isn’t a cross over hit

5.) he absolutely might walk. CJ has also reported that he would like to bring hockey to hispanics. That might make him want to go to La or Dallas.

The odds that he would want to leave. Come back and go through all that just to sign somewhere else knowing what JT went through. When he could just demand a trade. Or only negotiate an extension with X like Seth Jones is really unlikely

It would be sad, but if there is no success before that happens that would be worse.
Ray Bourque.

It would free up $12mm in capspace for another go round with perhaps a better team.

 

[4thline]

Potential mid/late season reinforcements
Douglas - legitimate monster. Already better AHL'er than Gauthier ever was, ahead of Marchment at the same age
Steeves - potential AJ/KK type addition. scrappy and versatile
Anderson - similar but less upside IMO
Knies - potential day 1 top 6 PWF when he goes pro
Tverberg - likely needs AHL time, but physical two-way player that could surprise

 

[robertmac43]

Who's with me on Vinny Hinostroza as a high-motor type for the 4th line?

I have always liked Hinostroza. Solid skill level, good engine, defensively responsible, wins faceoffs. Would be a solid pick up

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Its like Carey Price, he didn't had big stats last 3 or 4 season he played but still a tremendous goalie amount top 5 in the NHL when healthy. You just cant do everything on the ice!!!

Sure when your team suck and having a huge lack of depht in every position and you need to almost steal every game you playing to have a shot to win... sure you will probably loom bad as goalie and it will be extremely hard to keep confidence high.Gibson in a good team Around 0.920 to 0.930 % saves and something between 2 to 2.50 GAA its what you can expect of

you give me a choice between a nylander or gibson to give me the best chance to win a cup and the choice will be extremely easy to do. For me its the same than having to choose between stamkos or vasilevskiy to win a cup. Tampa was able to win a cup without stamkos but will never be the case without vasilevskiy.

A 3 team trade

to x team
Nylander

To toronto
Gibson

To anaheim
Asset of X team

I do it anytime

You will not be winning the cup with Kase/Simmonds as your RW options behind Marner.

 

[thusk]

You will not be winning the cup with Kase/Simmonds as your RW options behind Marner.

1-Playing with a kind kerfoot/ mikheyev on wings and an elite goalie you will have more chance to win on playoff than an okay goalie and nylander

2- its a lot more easier to find a foward at trase deadline than a good staring goalier

Why do you think leafs lost 3 to boston lost to mtl and tampa... because they was a worst team? No because rask, price and vasilevskiy outplayed leafs goalies simple as that

 

[Anthrax442]

Why people want Kase back? He is a great dude, but cant rely on him and his cap hit is much needed to be productive

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Why people want Kase back? He is a great dude, but cant rely on him and his cap hit is much needed to be productive

His cap hit likely won't be that high again. You won't find many, if any, guys as good as him (when he is healthy) that come as cheap as he does.

 

[Cor]

Matthews contract is pretty easy. 8 years, probably around 18% of whatever the cap is. Maybe he’s nice and only takes around 15% like he did previously.

People really shouldn’t be considered about it. It’s the easiest negotiation that will come up.

 

[thusk]

This threat is kind of funny at time...

Leafs losing against tampa, we must be firing everybody and trade every player of the core...
Or
We gonna give away all leafs futur for a player leafs dont need in an offensive dman like jacob chychrun
Or
When they get a chance to solve a problem we had last 6 years by upgrading at a position leafs always losing the battle ( goaltending).... ah no im not sure, he cost too much. considerated like one of best goalie by almost everybody in the NHL ( considerated like a top 5 goalir by player) but nah he dont have good stats with his AHL team against NHL team so he sucks.

 

[Stephen]

Matthews contract is pretty easy. 8 years, probably around 18% of whatever the cap is. Maybe he’s nice and only takes around 15% like he did previously.

People really shouldn’t be considered about it. It’s the easiest negotiation that will come up.

Unless Matthews is willing to take a massive discount to go to another contender, the concept of him taking $12-15 million on another roster means at least 2 star level players will need to be pitched overboard with no guarantees he'll have the on ice success or linemates he's used to here in Toronto. And Toronto was a Top 4 team this year.

Otherwise he's going to a late stage rebuilder, but it means that if they have any ELC superstars, those kids will get the squeeze in a very short amount of time.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Matthews contract is pretty easy. 8 years, probably around 18% of whatever the cap is. Maybe he’s nice and only takes around 15% like he did previously.

People really shouldn’t be considered about it. It’s the easiest negotiation that will come up.

Maybe he'll want out of this shit-show if things continue

 

[123offtheglass]

If Campbell walks then Ville Husso is a FA I'd like them to go after because I doubt he'd be too expensive & he's reasonably young for a goaltender; his peak could be yet to come. He has just one solid NHL season with 40 games to his name & solid GSAx & GSAA numbers; passes the eye test for me too.

Plan B could be one of Blackwood or Samsonov, Fleury if he wanted to come here.