Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[All Mod Cons]

Wow no way a 10 game stretch where he paces for 32 ES points instead of the 40 he's on pace for the rest of this season, he's basically disappeared.

Last 10 games, I would agree with you.

 

[Americanadian]

OK so last 10gms

Nylander 6gls 13pts
Tavares 2gls 10pts
Mikheyev 4gls 7pts
Engvall 2gls 7pts
Kerfoot 2gls 5pts
Kampf 2gls 3pts

The point I was trying to make in the original post is the 2nd line has been underwhelming this year and Marchessault would be a good investment. The Leafs have a worse 5v5 xGF% with Tavares and Nylander on the ice vs. when they are not on the ice which is not promising for a 2nd line not what you'd expect out of 22% of your cap space. It gets even worse when you look at Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander.

 

[Cor]

Tavares only has 4 5v5 points in his last 10 games. I think all assists?

So moving the goal posts already.

Also, that’s not a bad pace for 5v5 scoring pace lmao

 

[All Mod Cons]

So moving the goal posts already.

Also, that’s not a bad pace for 5v5 scoring pace lmao

I'll be honest, as a Leafs fan, I thought it was our duty to downplay non-5v5 points. Seems like we do it to Draisaitl all the time.

Secondly, 4 5v5 points in 10 games for 11mil a year is f***ing atrocious

 

[Martin Skoula]

I'll be honest, as a Leafs fan, I thought it was our duty to downplay non-5v5 points. Seems like we do it to Draisaitl all the time.

Secondly, 4 5v5 points in 10 games for 11mil a year is f***ing atrocious

McDavid has 1 ES point in his last 5 games for 12.5, how much do you think they'd pay us to take that cap dump?

 

[Cor]

I'll be honest, as a Leafs fan, I thought it was our duty to downplay non-5v5 points. Seems like we do it to Draisaitl all the time.

Secondly, 4 5v5 points in 10 games for 11mil a year is f***ing atrocious

It really isn’t.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Tavares does some things really well such as his board battles and puck control, general effort level, positioning, and face-offs. The areas he lacks are skating, dangling entering the zone, and backhand passing specifically.

I think the biggest thing the average viewer can see is that he’s a below average skater and it feeds their negative confirmation bias about him while the smaller things he does good go relatively unnoticed.

Some games he seems to be able to skate when he’s really into the game and I think we’re going to see him give 110% in the playoffs and surprise a lot of people.

 

[All Mod Cons]

McDavid has 1 ES point in his last 5 games for 12.5, how much do you think they'd pay us to take that cap dump?

And 8 in his last 10 (including some actual goals), so no, no I don't think they'd pay usnto take that cap dump.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

The Tavares slander on this board is outta hand, man. Wayyyyyy over the top

 

[William Hylander]

I have a feeling we are going to have to get out of Muzzin's contract. Hasn't been having a good season and keeps getting injured, would not be surprised to see muzzin moving for a younger type like Provy or Chychrun.

 

[Leaffan1991]

My opinion and wish list:

Nylander for Parayko
Muzzin retire or traded
Resign Gio
Resign Boosh
Resign Mik
Resign Engvall
Resign Blackwell
Resign Kase if he can still play
Trade for Meyers
Trade Holl
Trade Kerfoot
Sandin for a young C prospect
Sign a starting goaltender

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Mik
Engvall Kampf Kase
Blackwell Douglas Simmonds/Clifford

Rielly Parayko
Giordano Lilly
Brodie Boosh/Meyers

Starting Goalie
Campbell

 

[Nylanderthal]

My opinion and wish list:

Nylander for Parayko
Muzzin retire or traded
Resign Gio
Resign Boosh
Resign Mik
Resign Engvall
Resign Blackwell
Resign Kase if he can still play
Trade for Meyers
Trade Holl
Trade Kerfoot
Sandin for a young C prospect
Sign a starting goaltender

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Mik
Engvall Kampf Kase
Blackwell Douglas Simmonds/Clifford

Rielly Parayko
Giordano Lilly
Brodie Boosh/Meyers

Starting Goalie
Campbell

First bolded: Gross
Second Bolded: if you mean Philippe then he’s more likely to be bought out

 

[Americanadian]

Sandin for a young C prospect

I have thought about this. Possible options are:

Tomasino
Necas
Hayton
Turcotte
Vilardi

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I have thought about this. Possible options are:

Tomasino
Necas
Hayton
Turcotte
Vilardi

Tomasino would be a dream come true. Watched that kid come up as just a wee young lad on the Niagara Icedogs, and grow into a really likeable player. Huge work ethic, deceptively good shot.

Hard to compare D value to a C/W, but I have to imagine Sandin has a bit more value due to position. We would need to see what he looks like when he comes back, he hasn't had a steady season yet at the NHL level.

Good chance Sandin is part of the top 4 for the next 10 years.

 

[Leaffan1991]

First bolded: Gross
Second Bolded: if you mean Philippe then he’s more likely to be bought out

And who do you think Nylander would be worth?
Philippe is turning his game around with the Marlies, he's going to be in the Nhl next season

 

[Fogelhund]

And who do you think Nylander would be worth?
Philippe is turning his game around with the Marlies, he's going to be in the Nhl next season

Why are you trading Nylander at all?

We won't need to trade for Myers. He's likely going to get bought out, and we could sign him as a UFA if desired, to a near league minimum contract. He'll make good depth, and perhaps he will find his game enough to be NHL level again... but to pencil him in a lineup, is well premature.

 

[ToneDog]

My opinion and wish list:

Nylander for Parayko
Muzzin retire or traded
Resign Gio
Resign Boosh
Resign Mik
Resign Engvall
Resign Blackwell
Resign Kase if he can still play
Trade for Meyers
Trade Holl
Trade Kerfoot
Sandin for a young C prospect
Sign a starting goaltender

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Mik
Engvall Kampf Kase
Blackwell Douglas Simmonds/Clifford

Rielly Parayko
Giordano Lilly
Brodie Boosh/Meyers

Starting Goalie
Campbell

You still have nobody who plays a "heavy" game in your top 9. Whether you move Nylander or not you have to find a way to add one or two Josh Anderson, Tom Wilson, a Tkachuk, E Kane type of players IMO.

 

[Nylanderthal]

And who do you think Nylander would be worth?
Philippe is turning his game around with the Marlies, he's going to be in the Nhl next season

A lot more than parayko.
Cool sign him to an AHL deal when Nashville buys him out then

 

[Cor]

I have been trying to find some possibly under the radar winger options, but it's tough. Like, Max Domi could be one of the primary buy low options. I don't really see any RFA's that may be non qualified like Ritchie/Kase last season, but even those two showed why they were non qualified in the first place.

I currently have;

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Engvall (1.75) - Kampf - Kase (1.25) (I'd give Joey Anderson a shot here when Kase gets injured)
Blackwell (900K) - Steeves - Spezza (750K)
Simmonds (900K)

Rielly - Lyubushkin (2M)
Muzzin - Brodie
Gio (1.75M) - Liljegren
Sandin

Campbell (4M)
Kallgren

This leaves 2.8M in cap space - around 3.7M when you send down Robertson, to find a top 9 winger to play with JT & Willy (though, I'd rather that be JT and Marner I think). You can free up another 1M by not signing Gio, and bringing in a league minimum guy instead. We open up A LOT of options if Jake Muzzin can be moved - but I'm not someone that is going to project that.

The Leafs might just need to give Robertson that spot and see how it goes.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

And who do you think Nylander would be worth?
Philippe is turning his game around with the Marlies, he's going to be in the Nhl next season

Myers has actually not been all that good for the Marlies. Maybe that has to do with playing with Kivihalme all of the time, and Kivihalme is hot trash, but for a guy who is supposed to be an NHL-caliber defenseman, he doesn't exactly look like one.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

McDavid has 1 ES point in his last 5 games for 12.5, how much do you think they'd pay us to take that cap dump?

 

[WTFMAN99]

So, this maybe goes to shit if the Leafs advance a round but I kind of think about some of those old Leaf teams in the 2000s compensated for Sundin not being the meanest guy, they had Domi, Tucker, Corson, Roberts etc.

I know it's a bit different now but we'd all say Matthews, Marner, JT, Rielly etc aren't going to exactly take anyone's head off.

Lybushkin was a nice add, adds an edge. Simmonds is well past his prime though...should we be looking to add more hostile players that not only meet a physical challenge but maybe are the aggressors in a game?

I think it goes beyond hits, fights etc too, I found we as a group were very passive vs CBJ and MTL in elimination games.

Thoughts?

 

[zeke]

they had Domi, Tucker, Corson, Roberts etc.

Let's be honest there was no "etc". That's the whole list and Corson wasn't even a hitter or fighter anyways.

 

[showtime8]

So, this maybe goes to shit if the Leafs advance a round but I kind of think about some of those old Leaf teams in the 2000s compensated for Sundin not being the meanest guy, they had Domi, Tucker, Corson, Roberts etc.

I know it's a bit different now but we'd all say Matthews, Marner, JT, Rielly etc aren't going to exactly take anyone's head off.

Lybushkin was a nice add, adds an edge. Simmonds is well past his prime though...should we be looking to add more hostile players that not only meet a physical challenge but maybe are the aggressors in a game?

I think it goes beyond hits, fights etc too, I found we as a group were very passive vs CBJ and MTL in elimination games.

Thoughts?

I would tend to agree that the team definitely buckles when there is any sort of pressure put on them. But there are so many elements that affect a series in the playoffs that it isn't just being physical.

There were a bunch of games last series against Montreal where Keefe didn't get the top line away from their 3rd line and Danault on a consistent basis. Then there were times where the top guys would no show in addition to getting nothing from the rest of the line-up. And then you have spots where you wouldn't get a big save. In order to win anything more than a couple games, the coaching, goaltending and best players all have to show up. For the Leafs, they haven't had that at the same time. I'm not sure if the lack of success is due to being physical, but it probably wouldn't hurt to get a heavier line-up that can play.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Let's be honest there was no "etc". That's the whole list and Corson wasn't even a hitter or fighter anyways.

Corson fought 21 times in a Leafs uniform excluding the pre-season. Green, Svehla, Yuskevich, McCabe, Nolan, Markov were all 'etc.' guys that played physical as well. Those teams were arguably the toughest in the league. Nowhere near as skilled as the Matthews-era, but they weren't to be trifled with.