Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[WTFMAN99]

Same with Malkin wanting to play the Leafs.

We are discussing hypothetical stuff anyway.

He's at least a UFA.

If Winnipeg said rebuilding etc, okay sure but otherwise Helley is one of the only things keeping the team respectable most nights.

 

[Gabriel426]

He's at least a UFA.

If Winnipeg said rebuilding etc, okay sure but otherwise Helley is one of the only things keeping the team respectable most nights.

So? How many big trades involving top players were announced in advance? Most of those trades happen behind the scene and when it happens, it shocks Twitter.

Anyhow, it was fun discussing lets trade player X for player Y... kind of no point discussing which players eligible or available or not. BC I am sure 90% of the players mentioned in this thread are not openly available anyway. It is just us thinking this could be a good trade and make sense......

 

[Americanadian]

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[WTFMAN99]

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[BertCorbeau]

That's a brilliant trade for Montreal .. Dadanov will have a lot of opportunity to stat pad and be sold at the deadline for a nice asset.

Vegas just giving away players for .. dead cap? Weber has to be done, right?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Just listened to the most recent Leaf Report Podcast.

Jack Campbell
Jonas Siegel says Campbell's agent mentions they have spoken to the Leafs regularly but they have not yet spoken numbers.

Mirtle says he believes Campbell won't be back. Says other teams will offer him higher AAV and more years than the Leafs want to offer. Oilers, Red Wings, Devils mentioned.

Campbell wants to stay in Toronto (Siegel and Mirtle both mentioned this).

Leafs are looking at all options for goaltending. Looking at UFA + trade. Mirtle puts it at a 15% chance Campbell returns.

Goaltending Department
Mirtle wonders if the Leafs will build a goaltending department as other teams have done recently. A lot of teams simply have one goalie coach for NHL and one goalie coach for AHL (as the Leafs have done in recent years). He thinks the Leafs will be investing more in the goaltending department moving forward with more of a structure to it.

Semyon Varlamov
Mirtle and Siegel both think this is one of the likely options for the Leafs. Doesn't believe the trade cost will be very high. Isles looking to shake things up. Varlamov has 1 year at 5 million remaining on his contract. They think they would try to get the Islanders to retain on Varlamov (obviously this would come with an asset going to Isles)

Petr Mrazek
Discussed Chicago as a landing spot for Mrazek. Buffalo as well.

Mirtle believes he will be traded rather than bought out. They don't believe the Leafs have interest in buying out Mrazek.

Mirtle is very confident that Mrazek will be gone.

Engvall + Kase
Will be more difficult to sign these players than is being perceived. Leafs have to decide if they will be giving Kase a QO (dealine is July 11th)

Engvall probably easier to get done - more simpler arbitration case).

Going to arbitration with Kase is risky as he's a good player but is injury prone. 1.25 million is the QO amount. They speculate he could get as much as 2.5 million. Walk away amount of arb is 4.5 million so Leafs wouldn't be able to walk away.

They speculate Leafs may not qualify Kase and then try to re-engage him in free agency.

Denis Gurianov in Dallas got 2.9 million in arb (using him as a comparable).

Qualifying Offers
There may be many good players this year that aren't qualified.

Goalie Options
They believe Keumper will get 4 years x 5 million AAV.

Husso will 'get something silly'. 57 NHL games played. They thing a team will gamble on him. 27 years old.

Alex Kerfoot
Mirtle believes he would be undervalued by other teams. Low maintenance. Plays all three forward positions. Thinks the Leafs will want to keep him.

Justin Holl + Jake Muzzin
Mirtle believes Holl will be moved and Muzzin will stay. Mirtle thinks they will try to bring back Lyubushkin.

Muzzin looking solid in the playoffs is the reason he thinks they will keep him. He says he's not guaranteeing it but that's what he believes.

So they won't break up the core. Which I can understand the rationale for not moving Nylander, it is very debatable.

But now we hear that they don't want to move Kerfoot? Plus wanting to re-sign Engvall and Kase?

So the major move up front is to let Mikheyev walk and replace him?

Something doesn't add up otherwise this will be a very disappointing off-season.

That being said yes to be Varly with retention or Kuemper at 4 x $5

 

[SprDaVE]

So they won't break up the core. Which I can understand the rationale for not moving Nylander, it is very debatable.

But now we hear that they don't want to move Kerfoot? Plus wanting to re-sign Engvall and Kase?

So the major move up front is to let Mikheyev walk and replace him?

Something doesn't add up otherwise this will be a very disappointing off-season.

That being said yes to be Varly with retention or Kuemper at 4 x $5

I'll be disappointed if they don't move Kerfoot. I understand the thought process because if they can't get enough value to trade him, I guess it's better to keep him. No reason to sell low on a good mid line and versatile 2-way player.

With that said, they'll need to get creative. We'll see. It feels a little too early right now one way or another, but I just don't see how Kerfoot and Holl are here next season. They have no picks and they are very with limited cap space without moving out cap.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

For the last three years we have a solid top 6 Who eats up most of the cap

We have proven it’s not acceptable to spend 1 million each on the bottom six

Something has to change if not another first round exit

We have about 8 million in cap

Have to sign Lilly sandin and Engval. How much will that cost

Dubas will never learn

 

[Menzinger]

For the last three years we have a solid top 6 Who eats up most of the cap

We have proven it’s not acceptable to spend 1 million each on the bottom six

Something has to change if not another first round exit

We have about 8 million in cap

Have to sign Lilly sandin and Engval. How much will that cost

Dubas will never learn

They could potentially end up signing those 3 guys for maybe 4 mil combined. Likely no more than 5. Depending on what other moves they make they could have a bit of playing around money. To rearrange things. It's not as if finds like Bunting or Kampf broke the bank. It's all about finding the right guys (ie Ritchie wasn't better than Bunting just because he was in a position to ask for more money ect)

 

[TheRumble]

For the last three years we have a solid top 6 Who eats up most of the cap

We have proven it’s not acceptable to spend 1 million each on the bottom six

Something has to change if not another first round exit

We have about 8 million in cap

Have to sign Lilly sandin and Engval. How much will that cost

Dubas will never learn

Let me try and explain this to you.

As bad as you think the team is right now, any trade involving one of the five core guys - Rielly, Matthews, Marner, Tavares or Nylander makes the team even worse than what it currently is because most trades involving big contracts amounts to, "Lets trade our good player for a player that is not as good."

If a Matt Duchene tier deal emerges for any of the five guys I mentioned - except for Matthews, yeah, lets make the trade.

But you guys seem to think that trading Nylander for a 2nd pairing defenceman and Max Domi or some dumb garbage need start sharing the weed you smoke with me.

 

[Menzinger]

Varlamov for the Leafs 1st?

I'd consider it especially if they manage to get an extra 2nd from trading Holl

Edit: though maybe he could be had cheaper

 

[Kurtz]

Lou didn't leave on the best terms. Can't see he and Dubas coming together on a trade. But if he did, he'd probably be interested in Muzzin. Muzzin for Varlamov, then send a pick to a 3rd team (Phoenix?) to retain 2.5m on Varlamov. This would solve our cap crunch.

 

[Jozay]

Varlamov for the Leafs 1st?

I'd consider it especially if they manage to get an extra 2nd from trading Holl

Edit: though maybe he could be had cheaper

Id be shocked if they could get a 2nd for Holl.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Id be shocked if they could get a 2nd for Holl.

Be prepared. Hell fetch that at minimum this summer

Lou didn't leave on the best terms. Can't see he and Dubas coming together on a trade. But if he did, he'd probably be interested in Muzzin. Muzzin for Varlamov, then send a pick to a 3rd team (Phoenix?) to retain 2.5m on Varlamov. This would solve our cap crunch.

Lou and Kyle literally completed a trade 24 hours after Tavares signed here.

Varlamov for the Leafs 1st?

I'd consider it especially if they manage to get an extra 2nd from trading Holl

Edit: though maybe he could be had cheaper

Can’t see Varly costing a first, maybe mrazek and 25 for Varly and colorados 2nd (63-64)

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Id be shocked if they could get a 2nd for Holl.

If Chairot can get a 1st, Holl most definitely can return a 2nd.

 

[ACC1224]

If Chairot can get a 1st, Holl most definitely can return a 2nd.

They don’t seem to be comparable players. Holl may get a second, I don’t think he will, but it won’t be because Chariot got a first at the deadline.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Varlamov for the Leafs 1st?

I'd consider it especially if they manage to get an extra 2nd from trading Holl

Edit: though maybe he could be had cheaper

Would not move a 1st for Varly .. don’t think he’s worth that

 

[ACC1224]

Varlamov for the Leafs 1st?

I'd consider it especially if they manage to get an extra 2nd from trading Holl

Edit: though maybe he could be had cheaper

I’d be happy with that.

 

[TMLAM34]

2024 2nd and a solid prospect for Varlamov with 1.5 million retained.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

They don’t seem to be comparable players. Holl may get a second, I don’t think he will, but it won’t be because Chariot got a first at the deadline.

Chariot has a reputation of a top 4 defensive defensemen who beats the hell out of people when really he's an expensive replacement level player who beats the hell out of people.

Holl should have good value as a big right shot D who can be the #4 in a decent group who moves the puck well and can play on the PK. He should be more valuable than Chiarot because he's a better player with a better contract, he just doesn't have the mean streak that older school GM's like.

Why not keep him then? we can find cheaper options for the 3rd pair and Brodie/Liljegren need to be the top 2 RHD next season.

2024 2nd and a solid prospect for Varlamov with 1.5 million retained.

I'm not trading for Varlamov unless Mitch Korn and Piero Greco come with him. I don't think Dubas would take a shot at somebody with his personality issues.

 

[TMLAM34]

Chariot has a reputation of a top 4 defensive defensemen who beats the hell out of people when really he's an expensive replacement level player who beats the hell out of people.

Holl should have good value as a big right shot D who can be the #4 in a decent group who moves the puck well and can play on the PK. He should be more valuable than Chiarot because he's a better player with a better contract, he just doesn't have the mean streak that older school GM's like.

Why not keep him then? we can find cheaper options for the 3rd pair and Brodie/Liljegren need to be the top 2 RHD next season.


I'm not trading for Varlamov unless Mitch Korn and Piero Greco come with him. I don't think Dubas would take a shot at somebody with his personality issues.

When your current goaltenders are Mrazek and Kallgren, you might (should) be open to just about anything that improves your situation lol

 

[613Leafer]

So they won't break up the core. Which I can understand the rationale for not moving Nylander, it is very debatable.

But now we hear that they don't want to move Kerfoot? Plus wanting to re-sign Engvall and Kase?

So the major move up front is to let Mikheyev walk and replace him?

Something doesn't add up otherwise this will be a very disappointing off-season.

That being said yes to be Varly with retention or Kuemper at 4 x $5

I'm kinda hoping this management group has learned to play the media a little bit, and that all of this is just posturing and meaningless.

But I doubt it, based on previous offseasons. We're like quadrupling down at this point or something like that.

Would not move a 1st for Varly .. don’t think he’s worth that

He's a bandaid solution. The guy is 34 years old, so it's not like we're getting 3-4 quality years out of the guy. Wouldn't move a 1st for him either.

 

[pspot]

would be pretty leafs if Campbell went to Oilers and then Canes and Oilers have more playoff success with Anderson and Campbell

 

[TMLAM34]

I can see Campbell going to Detroit.

 

[Legion34]

would be pretty leafs if Campbell went to Oilers and then Canes and Oilers have more playoff success with Anderson and Campbell

What success did Carolina have with Fred?

He has had 3 mystery knee injuries in playoff
Times. 2 in back to back years. Fred didn’t play a second