Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[stickty111]

Something happening

 

[ToneDog]

Pretty sure Leafs have had Jon Elkin as their goaltender evaluator/development for awhile (it's on their website that he is). Briere was the Leafs goaltender coach. I don't know if Elkin has multiple people work for him in that department. They'll probably add more/change it up but they've had a department for it for a bit.

Kuemper at 4 x 5M would be a very EASY signing for me. He's been consistently among the best on multiple teams. I would be all over that. He'll push 6M at the very least I think but if you can get him at 5M... I don't think there is much risk there. The only worry is regression and he hasn't had a lot of years with #1 work load.

Varlamov I'm not overly interested in unless it's dirt cheap. Being in the same position this time next year is not good. I think the Leafs should concentrate on a longer term option. He's 34 years old but he's been fairly consistent for awhile so he'd probably be good on the Leafs.

Mrazek to Chicago makes way too much sense.

I'd rather sign Soup for 4.5m. 4 years younger than Kuempher and not much worse. If we are going to win with this core it won't be because of goaltending IMO.

 

[Americanadian]

Kerfoot is almost never on the PP ...Kerfoot floats around every line wherever we need him, he is a very consistent and safe player who can play on any line and at any point in the game.
he is very good on the PK, and solid and responsible defensively
he is far cheaper than Garland also, which makes him far more valuable by a wide margin, not even considering his versatility, or how much his offensive numbers could go up on a weaker offensive team that could use him as a primary offensive threat rather than a fill-in.
we took an offense only player (when we got him) and turned him into defensive specialist
and you want to buy high on a guy who just had a career best season when he'd never hit 40 points before and has basically a $5mil cap hit that goes through when we need to re-up Matthews, Nylander, then Marner.
this is one of the worst contracts/players the leafs could ever take on, when we may consider moving Kerfoot only to free the LESSER cap hit he has, or we keep/deal him at the deadline, and his cap space helps us resign Bunting and Kampf who both need new contracts after next year.
...but, you'd rather lock in 5 mil for a career 40 point player for the next 4 seasons

1. Kerfoot is not good on the PK. He was below replacement level on the PK this year - which is his only year playing the PK.
2. He is cheaper because he is worse.
3. Kerfoot has been the 8th best defensive forward on the Leafs since he arrived. He is behind Matthews, Marner, Bunting, Engvall, Kampf, Mikheyev and Hyman (yes, I know he is gone now). Garland is also much better defensively.
4. Garland has paced 55 points/82 games the last 3 years (2 cut short due to COVID). He is not a 40 point players.
5. The roster I proposed leaves enough moeny to re-sign the core players. I outlined it in my original post.

Almost every trade there sucks, and the one that doesn't Vancouver isn't doing

The whole point of proposing trades in my mind is to propose trades that feel like Toronto is losing. That's how I try to eliminate my own leaf fan bias. Propose any of those on the main board and I guarantee opposing fan bases will say they aren't receiving enough. I agree on the Vancouver deal though.

 

[SprDaVE]

Knights remove a lot of salary. Weber is done.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Lol they finally got rid of Dadonov

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Knights remove a lot of salary. Weber is done.

Makes no sense for Vegas. LTIR doesn't help you if you're already going to be over the cap to start the year.

Maybe the hail mary is convincing Weber he can play by the playoffs next year? but putting your roster through hell during the season doesn't really make sense.

 

[SprDaVE]

Makes no sense for Vegas. LTIR doesn't help you if you're already going to be over the cap to start the year.

Maybe the hail mary is convincing Weber he can play by the playoffs next year? but putting your roster through hell during the season doesn't really make sense.

I think the plan will be to use his LITR eventually. Pretty sure they'll shed more salary soon. They are only ~3M over the cap right now.

But yeah... this is definitely weird.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think the plan will be to use his LITR eventually. Pretty sure they'll shed more salary soon. They are only ~4M over the cap right now.

But yeah... this is definitely weird.

Brossioit is definitely traded this summer.

 

[Menzinger]

I suspect theeafs will bring in a cheap tandem from trades/free agency and then pull the trigger on a bigger trade closer to the tdl if things don't look like they're working out.

I'll be surprised if they go for a bigger money asset, with maybe the exception of someone like Varlamov.if he can be had for a cheapish return

 

[Menzinger]

I think the plan will be to use his LITR eventually. Pretty sure they'll shed more salary soon. They are only ~3M over the cap right now.

But yeah... this is definitely weird.

Makes you wonder if there's a second part to the plan.

Vegas definitely would want to clear up capspace for future tdl moves

 

[as Pure as Evil]

well if thats the cost to get out of webers contact i dont think we should have to worry about mrazek muzzin or any other

 

[hamzarocks]

Malkin is apparently considering heavily to leave the Pens.

Would turning the big 4 into the big 5 get us succsess?

Run Mrazek + Woll as the goalies, dump kerfoot + holl and give Malkin 2 years 7M

 

[WTFMAN99]

well if thats the cost to get out of webers contact i dont think we should have to worry about mrazek muzzin or any other

I think Weber is $6M actual cash

So Mrazek who will actually play isn't so bad

Muzzin and Kerfoot actually look really good after July 1st bonus paid, 750k for Kerfoot in particular.

Malkin is apparently considering heavily to leave the Pens.

Would turning the big 4 into the big 5 get us succsess?

Run Mrazek + Woll as the goalies, dump kerfoot + holl and give Malkin 2 years 7M

No...too top heavy still and that goaltending is sooooooooo bad.

 

[Gabriel426]

Malkin is apparently considering heavily to leave the Pens.

Would turning the big 4 into the big 5 get us succsess?

Run Mrazek + Woll as the goalies, dump kerfoot + holl and give Malkin 2 years 7M

Malkin would be someone to come in and bring that Champions Swagger and DNA. The clutch factor. He might even prolong his career playing behind AM and JT but Dubas needs a lot of help in trades to get Malkin under contract

 

[Martin Skoula]

Malkin is apparently considering heavily to leave the Pens.

Would turning the big 4 into the big 5 get us succsess?

Run Mrazek + Woll as the goalies, dump kerfoot + holl and give Malkin 2 years 7M

I don't know where he fits at 5 on 5 but his shot arsenal from distance is what our PP needs.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Malkin would be someone to come in and bring that Champions Swagger and DNA. The clutch factor. He might even prolong his career playing behind AM and JT but Dubas needs a lot of help in trades to get Malkin under contract

I don't know where he fits at 5 on 5 but his shot arsenal from distance is what our PP needs.

 

[Gabriel426]

You're probably having JT take the face off but otherwise play wing for Malkin.

It's too crazy to even think about though, you're taking liquidating Nylander for futures/not much $$ and hoping Malkin signs with us.

88 for 2023 1st NJD, Blackwood, Mercer

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
JT-Malkin-Mercer
Engval-Kampf-X
X-X-X

Rielly-Brodie
X/Sandin/Giordano-X/Liljegren
Giordano/Sandin/X-Liljegren/X

Blackwood
X

Kerfoot, Muzzin, Mrazek, Holl gotta go in that scenario.

OR trade MM, Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek away for Helly and picks, then sign Malkin with the rest of the cap.

 

[WTFMAN99]

OR trade MM, Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek away for Helly and picks, then sign Malkin with the rest of the cap.

Marner goes nowhere, I did an iteration above on capfriendly with 3M+ in cap space...not sure if it was fair...bought out Myers and not sure NJD accepts.

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner goes nowhere, I did an iteration above on capfriendly with 3M+ in cap space...not sure if it was fair...bought out Myers and not sure NJD accepts.

The fact that getting Helly in net and Malkin coming in as UFA would require trading MM.
Blackwood and Holtby will be the same as Campbell with Petr or whoever. IF the goal is the win the Cup, Leafs need someone like Helly in net.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The fact that getting Helly in net and Malkin coming in as UFA would require trading MM.
Blackwood and Holtby will be the same as Campbell with Petr or whoever. IF the goal is the win the Cup, Leafs need someone like Helly in net.

Kuemper and Francouz at 899 save % are in the SCF, I'd be fine with Blackwood-Holtby tandem, if it starts to go south, add a goalie in-season/TDL.

 

[Brobust]

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Sam Gagner + Chris Tierney is an interesting 4th line combo.

The rest of your ideas look fine, outside of Maatta, but Nylander's not going anywhere and I don't think Muzzin's going either.

 

[Gabriel426]

Kuemper and Francouz at 899 save % are in the SCF, I'd be fine with Blackwood-Holtby tandem, if it starts to go south, add a goalie in-season/TDL.

Who can you add in-season/TDL? Judging from this past season, the only noticeable Goalie available was MAF.

Avs also have someone like Makar and Toews as first pairing, then you add in Mack, Landy and Rantanen plus Kadri up front.

The goal is to win the Cup and getting that No. 1 goalie like Helly is a huge piece toward that goal.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sam Gagner + Chris Tierney is an interesting 4th line combo.

The rest of your ideas look fine, outside of Maatta, but Nylander's not going anywhere and I don't think Muzzin's going either.

Maatta was about the only reasonable 2nd pairing LD type to get at a reasonable cost as a UFA. RD was even worse so I settled on a younger more affordable Roy.

In the Malkin joins the team scenario, $$ needed to be shuffled around, I am not nearly as married to the idea of keeping as everyone else is so JT-Malkin become a duo that hopefully gel with young Mercer...JT+88 had zero chemistry so I am not gonna sweat it too much.

Besides if we are being completely honest, Malkin is gonna make his way to NYR to play with Panarin over coming to Toronto.

Who can you add in-season/TDL? Judging from this past season, the only noticeable Goalie available was MAF.

Avs also have someone like Makar and Toews as first pairing, then you add in Mack, Landy and Rantanen plus Kadri up front.

The goal is to win the Cup and getting that No. 1 goalie like Helly is a huge piece toward that goal.

Things change, haven't heard *anything* about Helley even being available at this point anyway.

 

[Gabriel426]

Maatta was about the only reasonable 2nd pairing LD type to get at a reasonable cost as a UFA. RD was even worse so I settled on a younger more affordable Roy.

In the Malkin joins the team scenario, $$ needed to be shuffled around, I am not nearly as married to the idea of keeping as everyone else is so JT-Malkin become a duo that hopefully gel with young Mercer...JT+88 had zero chemistry so I am not gonna sweat it too much.

Besides if we are being completely honest, Malkin is gonna make his way to NYR to play with Panarin over coming to Toronto.



Things change, haven't heard *anything* about Helley even being available at this point anyway.

Same with Malkin wanting to play the Leafs.

We are discussing hypothetical stuff anyway.