GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART X

[SeaOfBlue]

Nick Abruzzese was a former 2019 round 4 #124 (mid-round pick) ,overall by Toronto Maple Leafs although I wouldn't deal him for Chara.

I would do your suggested deal however but I just can't see NYI agreeing to that goalie swap because Mrazek cost more and has more term left and has been brutal. NYI might take Campbell in return however. IMO

Chara is just a replacement for Dermott on our depth chart, so if that is their sticking point, I would do the deal without him. Same with the 5th round pick.

The main deal is Mrazek + Dermott + Abruzzese for Varlamov. Abruzzese is a high end NCAAer who just put up a PPG at the Olympics. There is a legitimate chance he could play in the NHL next year. His value is closer to a 2nd than the late 4th we got him for. Dermott's value too is probably in that sort of range as well. I would be surprised if they get more than that for Varlamov with his contract (both the cap hit and the NTC), and I don't think there is a deal out there which does not involve them taking back some kind of money... And the money they take back here is still a guy who almost certainly will bounce back to being the solid 1B he has been for most of his career. That is something they will need for Sorokin going forward and there are not a ton of those guys out there on the UFA/trade market right now.

It turns their 9 mill tandem into a 7.8 mill tandem and gives them three guys who can help them with a re-tool out of a guy who is not going to be the easiest contract they can move.

 

[Cleetus]

jakob chychrun left the game with an injury in tonights game as well

 

[Legion34]

jakob chychrun left the game with an injury in tonights game as well

Wonder if that will push teams to sell early rather than lose players I injury

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Wonder if that will push teams to sell early rather than lose players I injury

I mean the TDL is in like a week, so it is not exactly "selling early" at this point.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd heard a lot of teams that are sellers are wanting to sell asap for the exact reason of last night, worry their assets get injured.

Not as many buyers.

 

[thusk]

It saves them 1.2 mill on their backup next year, so they gain some cap space. Dermott does cost cap, but he also fills a top 6 role where they'd need to spend cap anyways.



Campbell is not getting a serious raise anymore. He'd be lucky to get the Mrazek or Driedger deal at this point. Also, if Campbell can't handle a 1A role, I am not even sure the Leafs would even want him. He may have to be willing to take a one or two year prove-it deal to see if he can handle regain his form.

What ulmark did more than campbell to get 5M/4year?

 

[ToneDog]

jakob chychrun left the game with an injury in tonights game as well

Murphy of the Hawks was carted off on a stretcher after being hit from behind into the boards by Kelly of the Sens. Hope he is better than what it looked when he crumpled to the ice and did not move.

 

[Stigma]

What's the story here? If he can't put it together in Ottawa after seeking a trade out of Montreal, this is not a good look for him.

I'm wondering the same thing. I will fully admit that I wanted us to draft him when he kept dropping.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

What’s the package that hurts the LEAST to pry Chychrun outta AZ?

 

[Jozay]

Another flop NHL trade deadline incoming lol

 

[Maplebeasts]

What’s the package that hurts the LEAST to pry Chychrun outta AZ?

There isn't a reasonable package out there that is worth it for us with how Chychrun is playing this year. It's weird seeing him drop off so much from last season.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Things could get interesting if there’s not a good performance tomorrow from Mrazek

Management has probably been shopping for a goalie for a while now. Whether Mrazek plays well today or not almost certainly doesn't matter.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Another flop NHL trade deadline incoming lol

E4

 

[SeaOfBlue]

What ulmark did more than campbell to get 5M/4year?

Age is one of the larger factors, especially given both were unproven. Not many teams want to commit big money to unproven goalies in their 30's, and Campbell is still very unproven at this point (or he has only proven that he is very inconsistent, which is arguably worse). Ullmark's deal expires when he is only one year older than when Campbell's would be when his new deal starts.

Campbell has mostly only played behind good defenses in his career, and he has shown he can absolutely suck behind them. Ullmark has been solid behind some really trash Buffalo defenses.

Finally, Boston probably regrets giving 5 mill to Ullmark as much as we regret giving Mrazek 3.8 mill right now. That is to say that it is not the end of the world, and he can easily live up to that deal at some point, but right now he is struggling to do so. .907 behind a team that plays pretty good defensive team hockey.

 

[Cor]

Management has probably been shopping for a goalie for a while now. Whether Mrazek plays well today or not almost certainly doesn't matter.

While it’s possible, i do disagree it doesn’t matter.

While these outdoor games have lost some meaning among fans, they do matter to the organization.

If Mrazek lays a stinker, it will push Dubas from a due diligence stage to an active stage.

 

[Cor]

Another flop NHL trade deadline incoming lol

People just need to realize that much like the NFL, the NHL is an off-season move league.

you’ll have various trades through out the year, maybe even a big trade or two in season, but most of the heavy lifting is done in the off-season.

It can only be a dud if expectations are set improperly

 

[thusk]

Age is one of the larger factors, especially given both were unproven. Not many teams want to commit big money to unproven goalies in their 30's, and Campbell is still very unproven at this point (or he has only proven that he is very inconsistent, which is arguably worse). Ullmark's deal expires when he is only one year older than when Campbell's would be when his new deal starts.

Campbell has mostly only played behind good defenses in his career, and he has shown he can absolutely suck behind them. Ullmark has been solid behind some really trash Buffalo defenses.

Finally, Boston probably regrets giving 5 mill to Ullmark as much as we regret giving Mrazek 3.8 mill right now. That is to say that it is not the end of the world, and he can easily live up to that deal at some point, but right now he is struggling to do so. .907 behind a team that plays pretty good defensive team hockey.

Do you prefer paying 5 M for a campbell of start next season with something like mrazek and martin jones or thomas greiss as goalie?

I prefer taking guest and giving 5M to campbell and hope he real value his when he was traded to toronto since january 14 than go with 2 goalie we already know they will not get the job done

Ps lak was one of worst during that time and no toronto is an average defence

 

[SeaOfBlue]

While it’s possible, i do disagree it doesn’t matter.

While these outdoor games have lost some meaning among fans, they do matter to the organization.

If Mrazek lays a stinker, it will push Dubas from a due diligence stage to an active stage.

Fairly sure it is already at that stage.

Far too much smoke around us and Fleury over the past few weeks, and I would imagine he is heavily involved with Varlamov too (but that is being kept on the DL for various reasons).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Do you prefer paying 5 M for a campbell of start next season with something like mrazek and martin jones or thomas greiss as goalie?

I prefer taking guest and giving 5M to campbell and hope he real value his when he was traded to toronto since january 14 than go with 2 goalie we already know they will not get the job done

I would not give Campbell 5 mill under any circumstance. Even when he was good, 5 mill was a stretch for him. He needed to show that he could keep that up for a full season, and as we all know now, he could not.

4 mill is his ceiling at this point, and that already factors in him bouncing back. If he continues sucking, he'd be lucky to get more than 3 mill on his next deal.

 

[Shooter2x]

What’s the package that hurts the LEAST to pry Chychrun outta AZ?

The lowest I can see Arizona going is 1st + Sandin. (That's just a market value comment, let's not start a debate on Sandin v Chychrun)

It's obvious Jakob wants out. There's no real positives to convince him to stay. He probably has ambition for 9+ mil on his next deal and the only way to get that is to go play somewhere else he can shine. His value is tanking so hard in Arizona. That gives Arizona more incentive to trade him now too, because next season he might be worth less in a trade if his underlying numbers keep going south with them.

It's smart for them to start at the "astronomical" level 10 so they can end up around level 7.

 

[thusk]

I would not give Campbell 5 mill under any circumstance. Even when he was good, 5 mill was a stretch for him. He needed to show that he could keep that up for a full season, and as we all know now, he could not.

4 mill is his ceiling at this point, and that already factors in him bouncing back. If he continues sucking, he'd be lucky to get more than 3 mill on his next deal.

So you think get a jones or greiss or korpisalo or forsberg around 2 or 3 M with mrazek at3.8M. its what giving leafs best chance to win?

Yes he need to came back strong like every goalie who had a bad streche... If during playoff, he do what he did last playoff. Do you give him his 4.5-5M or not?

 

[ToneDog]

So you think get a jones or greiss or korpisalo or forsberg around 2 or 3 M with mrazek at3.8M. its what giving leafs best chance to win?

Yes he need to came back strong like every goalie who had a bad streche... If during playoff, he do what he did last playoff. Do you give him his 4.5-5M or not?

If Soup can rebound and win a round, he might get close to $5m from somebody. If he and Mrazek don't rebound, the Leafs are screwed and will have to look for a true #1. You can't risk going into next season without a solid starter.

Any combination of jones, greiss, korpisalo, or forsberg and one of our two is probably not the answer.

I'd kick tires on Varlamov and see if Holtby can be had for $2m.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So you think get a jones or greiss or korpisalo or forsberg around 2 or 3 M with mrazek at3.8M. its what giving leafs best chance to win?

Yes he need to came back strong like every goalie who had a bad streche... If during playoff, he do what he did last playoff. Do you give him his 4.5-5M or not?

I don't see why I am giving Jones/Korpisalo/Greiss 2 or 3 mill to be subpar backups. I might as well just use Woll for league minimum over them (especially at that price).

For me, I am looking at other options if Campbell thinks he is a 4.5-5 mill goalie, because he simply is not. He needs to win a round and not be a complete liability for me to even consider giving him over 4 mill at this point. Otherwise, I am looking at Kuemper, Varlamov, etc. as more proven options, or guys like Samsonov and Husso as less proven (and far less costly on the cap) options with upside. 30 year old inconsistent tandem starters with limited resumes don't get 4.5-5 mill unless teams are stupid and desperate, and the Leafs are not stupid and desperate.

In fact, if Washington is serious about moving Samsonov and they are willing to take Mrazek back, I would ask about him.

 

[thusk]

If Soup can rebound and win a round, he might get close to $5m from somebody. If he and Mrazek don't rebound, the Leafs are screwed and will have to look for a true #1. You can't risk going into next season without a solid starter.

Any combination of jones, greiss, korpisalo, or forsberg and one of our two is probably not the answer.

I'd kick tires on Varlamov and see if Holtby can be had for $2m.

Solid starter, every team keep him when they get it because its pretty hard to find.

Varlamov it is really better than campbell to give him 5M + trade value unstead of sign campbell? Not sure and do leafs what he will cost? A 1st and a good prospect like colorado with kuemper? So giving a 1st pick and a prospect for probably stay at the same level?

 

[ToneDog]

Solid starter, every team keep him when they get it because its pretty hard to find.

Varlamov it is really better than campbell to give him 5M + trade value unstead of sign campbell? Not sure and do leafs what he will cost? A 1st and a good prospect like colorado with kuemper? So giving a 1st pick and a prospect for probably stay at the same level?

Varlamov is a proven commodity. Soup is not and if Leafs pay him $5m and he has a repeat of this year, you will be in a place worse than cap hell.