Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - 2022-23 Edition - Postseason Success can't be a Myth!

[djgriff]

Would you folks do McCleod and Holtz for Fiala and Talbot and/or would New Jersey doing it?

Don't come at me and tell me how stupid I am if I am way off, just give me your pros and cons

Wild really need to get better at Face-off and PK. I think this trade gives them major help in those areas of need while hoping Holtz develops into a top 6 RW for the future. I think they can take care of the PP internally with the guys they have.

I'm a big fan of something around Holtz as the basis for Fiala. He has top 10 pick value, but is closer to contributing in the NHL than anyone we would pick this year. Plus his contract was a slide rule this year, so he'll be on his ELC until after the cap crunch.

I like the thought of McLeod too. A RH shot, with a 57.3% FO win % last year, used in a very shutdown role. Like Jan Itor said, if he's good on the PK I'd be interested.

Not sure about trading Talbot. I'm not sold on Flower as a stand alone #1 goalie.

Overall I like the proposal though.

 

[57special]

I don't like that proposal at all. Fiala alone is worth at least Holtz and McLeod. McLeod is living up to his pre draft descriptions. Great size, great speed, and no clue what to do with them. Don't see that he is a huge need. He would not be taking over from Gaudreau, JEE, or Hartman.

I think we are underestimating how much a starting goaltender on a sub 4M deal is worth. Teams like NJD, BUF or OTT will be all over Talbot if you are offering him for essentially, nothing.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

No to the New Jersey proposal because the McLeod and Talbot parts don’t need to be involved.

I get the feeling that Guerin sees his roster for next year as pretty much filled out. At least, that’s what I take from his comments on the lastest Russo podcast. He was about some guys down the lineup stepping in and taking a bigger role when Fiala gets moved. I think he’s referring to Jost/Rossi. Don’t see him wanting a player back in the Fiala deal that pushes those guys down the lineup (Holtz, for example). Obviously don’t think he’s opposed to Holtz, but think he maybe prefers an asset a few more years out. Would lineup better with the huge raises coming for Kaprizov/Boldy/Rossi after Parise deals.

I like the idea of 13th + Raty. Only deal I’ve certainly thought was better is 7th + Pinto, but that seems less likely to happen to me.

 

[Digitalbooya]

No to the New Jersey proposal because the McLeod and Talbot parts don’t need to be involved.

I get the feeling that Guerin sees his roster for next year as pretty much filled out. At least, that’s what I take from his comments on the lastest Russo podcast. He was about some guys down the lineup stepping in and taking a bigger role when Fiala gets moved. I think he’s referring to Jost/Rossi. Don’t see him wanting a player back in the Fiala deal that pushes those guys down the lineup (Holtz, for example). Obviously don’t think he’s opposed to Holtz, but think he maybe prefers an asset a few more years out. Would lineup better with the huge raises coming for Kaprizov/Boldy/Rossi after Parise deals.

I like the idea of 13th + Raty. Only deal I’ve certainly thought was better is 7th + Pinto, but that seems less likely to happen to me.

I could see the "bigger role" argument being for Jost. Slide Gaudreau to the wing, move Jost up:

Kap-Hartman-Zucc
GREEF
Boldy-Jost-Gaudreau

13th + Raty would be a good return. Good center prospect and a top 15 pick? Sign me up.

I'm wondering if Colin White could be a good buy low candidate. Maybe something like #7+White(50% retained) for Fiala(extended)?

 

[57special]

13th is a long way from a 7th. Would much prefer the 7th +. Main reason is because when the inevitable "surprise' pick(or two) happens in the first few picks, the 7th allows us to get a shot at a Cooley, Nemec, or whomever.

 

[Wabit]

13th is a long way from a 7th. Would much prefer the 7th +. Main reason is because when the inevitable "surprise' pick(or two) happens in the first few picks, the 7th allows us to get a shot at a Cooley, Nemec, or whomever.

I'd prefer Raty or Holtz over either 7 or 13.

 

[Digitalbooya]

13th is a long way from a 7th. Would much prefer the 7th +. Main reason is because when the inevitable "surprise' pick(or two) happens in the first few picks, the 7th allows us to get a shot at a Cooley, Nemec, or whomever.

Unless Cooley is there, I’d take #13+Raty. Raty had an excellent D+1 season.

 

[57special]

Unless Cooley is there, I’d take #13+Raty. Raty had an excellent D+1 season.

Kind of weird how he was a top prospect, then fell in the draft, and is now climbing back up again.

I would be good with him and guy like Kasper/Lekkerimaki/Ostlund at #13, then pick up a big RHD like Rinzel/Warren/ Luneau/Chesley in the 2nd round. Not a fan of Wahlstrom. I see another Kunin in him.

 

[Wabit]

Kind of weird how he was a top prospect, then fell in the draft, and is now climbing back up again.

I would be good with him and guy like Kasper/Lekkerimaki/Ostlund at #13, then pick up a big RHD like Rinzel/Warren/ Luneau/Chesley in the 2nd round. Not a fan of Wahlstrom. I see another Kunin in him.

I would have liked to have seen Kunin (as a wing) with Boldy. His shot is good enough to really make use of Boldy's passing.

 

[IAHockey25]

No to the New Jersey proposal because the McLeod and Talbot parts don’t need to be involved.

I get the feeling that Guerin sees his roster for next year as pretty much filled out. At least, that’s what I take from his comments on the lastest Russo podcast. He was about some guys down the lineup stepping in and taking a bigger role when Fiala gets moved. I think he’s referring to Jost/Rossi. Don’t see him wanting a player back in the Fiala deal that pushes those guys down the lineup (Holtz, for example). Obviously don’t think he’s opposed to Holtz, but think he maybe prefers an asset a few more years out. Would lineup better with the huge raises coming for Kaprizov/Boldy/Rossi after Parise deals.

I like the idea of 13th + Raty. Only deal I’ve certainly thought was better is 7th + Pinto, but that seems less likely to happen to me.

Part 1. Doesn't Holtz jump into Fiala's spot?

Part 2. Guerin will bring in a C this year too. They will address those areas of concerns in my original post. I am more worried about the PK and Face-offs then most because that was the Achilles heel in the playoffs again this year. That's 2 years in a row. So from a 30k foot view, no production from Fiala but lost because of special teams and Face-offs.

 

[Wabit]

Part 1. Doesn't Holtz jump into Fiala's spot?

Part 2. Guerin will bring in a C this year too. They will address those areas of concerns in my original post. I am more worried about the PK and Face-offs then most because that was the Achilles heel in the playoffs again this year. That's 2 years in a row. So from a 30k foot view, no production from Fiala but lost because of special teams and Face-offs.

There is currently ~$8m in cap space with a 17 man roster (10 FWD, 6D, 1G). You pretty much need to have a 13 FWD, 7D, 2G roster.

You can nickel and dime a little bit with Kulikov and Jost. But even that is only $2m-$3m opened up once their cheap replacements are factored in. You might get a Haula quality player for that, but it's more likely to be a Bonino quality player.

 

[mezcal]

Thoughts on JT Miller?

 

[keppel146]

Part 1. Doesn't Holtz jump into Fiala's spot?

Part 2. Guerin will bring in a C this year too. They will address those areas of concerns in my original post. I am more worried about the PK and Face-offs then most because that was the Achilles heel in the playoffs again this year. That's 2 years in a row. So from a 30k foot view, no production from Fiala but lost because of special teams and Face-offs.

I would want to say yes if that happened.

Thoughts on JT Miller?

No thank you. Might as well get someone who can play for a very long time.

 

[AKL]

Thoughts on JT Miller?

Good hockey player. Don't care to get him on the Wild though. Doesn't fit the timeline or salary cap.

 

[MK9]

Thoughts on JT Miller?

Seems like a good player, but Vancouver is expecting an overpayment from the description of the bidding war that went on during the season for him. So for what they'd have to bid against and eventually give up to get him, no thanks. Also, I don't think he's necessarily one of the sources of their locker room "cancer". However, I also think based on little things I've seen him say in interviews and quotes, he's got enough of an abrasive side to him that could easily throw off team chemistry.

 

[P10p]

Curious to see if Miller gets the package that we are wanting for Fiala and we are stuck with lesser because of this. Fiala is younger but Miller is a C so its hard to parse. Maybe it goes the other way and a team loses out on Miller and then overreacts and "has to get Fiala".

 

[57special]

No to the New Jersey proposal because the McLeod and Talbot parts don’t need to be involved.

I get the feeling that Guerin sees his roster for next year as pretty much filled out. At least, that’s what I take from his comments on the lastest Russo podcast. He was about some guys down the lineup stepping in and taking a bigger role when Fiala gets moved. I think he’s referring to Jost/Rossi. Don’t see him wanting a player back in the Fiala deal that pushes those guys down the lineup (Holtz, for example). Obviously don’t think he’s opposed to Holtz, but think he maybe prefers an asset a few more years out. Would lineup better with the huge raises coming for Kaprizov/Boldy/Rossi after Parise deals.

I like the idea of 13th + Raty. Only deal I’ve certainly thought was better is 7th + Pinto, but that seems less likely to happen to me.

Makes for a very small bottom six. Almost all of our size and toughness is on one line. Not that Holtz would fix things much in that regard, but he is bigger than Rossi, and more suited to a RW shooter role. Getting Holtz in the lineup would take Rossi's spot in the top 9, though. I can see Guerin's POV. Getting Holtz would stifle Rossi's development.

Kap - Hart - Zucc
GREEF
Boldy - Gaudreau - Rossi
Jost - Dewar - Duhaime

DLo/Shaw/Chaffee/Beckman

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What pick in 2022 would you rather have than a 2023 top 10 protected 1st, assuming that one of them is the main return of a Fiala trade.

Examples:

Would you rather have Ottawa's #7 or their 2023 protected pick? Philly's 5th? NJ's 2nd?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

What pick in 2022 would you rather have than a 2023 top 10 protected 1st, assuming that one of them is the main return of a Fiala trade.

Examples:

Would you rather have Ottawa's #7 or their 2023 protected pick? Philly's 5th? NJ's 2nd?

I wanna pick this year

 

[Wabit]

Makes for a very small bottom six. Almost all of our size and toughness is on one line. Not that Holtz would fix things much in that regard, but he is bigger than Rossi, and more suited to a RW shooter role. Getting Holtz in the lineup would take Rossi's spot in the top 9, though. I can see Guerin's POV. Getting Holtz would stifle Rossi's development.

Kap - Hart - Zucc
GREEF
Boldy - Gaudreau - Rossi
Jost - Dewar - Duhaime

DLo/Shaw/Chaffee/Beckman

I don't see Holtz as stifling Rossi's development, unless Rossi isn't going to be a center in the NHL. I didn't think Rossi hit that "nothing left to learn in the AHL" wall last season.

MN could make it a true transition season and go for rookie experience and just outscore their problems.
GREEF
Kap/Hartman/Zucc
Boldy/Freddy G/Holtz
Jost/Rossi/Dewar (energy/skill 4th line instead of the grinder 4th line)

Brodin/Dumba
Middleton/Spurgeon
Merrill/Addison

Goalies

Squeak into the Playoffs and hope that Rossi, Holtz, Addison, Dewar, and Boldy (to a lesser extent) have figured out the NHL game.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I don't see Holtz as stifling Rossi's development, unless Rossi isn't going to be a center in the NHL. I didn't think Rossi hit that "nothing left to learn in the AHL" wall last season.

MN could make it a true transition season and go for rookie experience and just outscore their problems.
GREEF
Kap/Hartman/Zucc
Boldy/Freddy G/Holtz
Jost/Rossi/Dewar (energy/skill 4th line instead of the grinder 4th line)

Brodin/Dumba
Middleton/Spurgeon
Merrill/Addison

Goalies

Squeak into the Playoffs and hope that Rossi, Holtz, Addison, Dewar, and Boldy (to a lesser extent) have figured out the NHL game.

I’d want to see the 3 kids on a line. 99% ozone starts.

 

[Wabit]

I’d want to see the 3 kids on a line. 99% ozone starts.

I'd be fine with them all on the same PP2 unit. Not 5v5 until Holtz and Rossi get acclimated to the NHL.

Somewhere between x-mas and the TDL I'd put the kids line together.

 

[keppel146]

I'd prefer Raty or Holtz over either 7 or 13.

Raty over savoie/Nazar/jiricek/kemell? Idk

 

[Wabit]

Raty over savoie/Nazar/jiricek/kemell? Idk

Yep. Wright, Slaf, Nemec, and Jiricek (before his injury) are the only ones of the draft class that I like more than Raty or Holtz. All four of them should be gone by 7oa.

 

[TanSor]

Now that Carolina has been eliminated, I wonder if they could be in the mix for Fiala. They only scored more than 2 goals once in 7 games against the Rangers. They also should have a good amount of cap space, especially if they let Trocheck walk in free agency (which wouldn't be that outlandish considering they signed Kotkaniemi to an 8 year deal).

Necas could be a really nice piece in a Fiala trade. He had a down year and Fiala would be an upgrade for the Canes. Would Necas and maybe a 2023 first be too rich?