Trade and Free Agency Discussion Thread - Don't Expect More Augmenting

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We have multiple players that can take the draw and do it well. The Leafs were near the top in faceoff percentage last year as a team. I have definitely seen Bonino play and he's a good player but at 4.1 million a season he isnt that much better then Kerfoot. I really like Kerfoot's hockey IQ, he is a smart player that isnt afraid to go into the tough areas. Plus we found out last season in playoffs the guy can PK as well. So maybe for 75oK less we have a Bonino in the making on our hands already.

To me its wasted $$$.
*draws on the PK. Check again at PK draws, we're near the bottom; and even though we're better without GOAT, not having him drops that number more. I think you've made a very fair argument though, I guess I just don't agree.
 
*draws on the PK. Check again at PK draws, we're near the bottom; and even though we're better without GOAT, not having him drops that number more. I think you've made a very fair argument though, I guess I just don't agree.

If you look at the numbers in the bubble when Kerfoot was given a more prominent role on the PK, our numbers during that time were better. I guess things can change year to year. But for the money we spend on Kerfoot he delivers respectably.
 
He is younger, cheaper, signed long term, and I am not sure the Bonino in the three year stretch between this past year and his first Cup in PIT (2016-2017, 2017-2018, 2018-2019) has been any better than Kerfoot has been in his first three years in the league... And I would bet on Kerfoot progressing as a 26 year old who is healthy and was quite effective in the playoffs over a 31 year old Bonino coming off of a career year and is likely to regress back to a level of play which could easily be worse than Kerfoot next year.

If we lose Kerfoot to expansion, or trade him for a pending UFA like Bonino, we are going to need his money to find another Kerfoot next year. It is not like there is a shortage of options in UFA, but I think Dubas would rather have Kerfoot on his roster for a year and then lose him in expansion (which has value in itself, since we would not lose another valuable asset like Holl to expansion instead) than trade for a marginal upgrade at best, who costs more cap, and then is a UFA we'd need to re-sign or replace for likely the same amount of money as Kerfoot, but with a lot less upside.

Dubas is probably done with any major moves. Some even think he won't be giving out any kind of PTO's or make any more minor trades/signings. I think that comes down to whether guys come back from Europe this year, whether there will be an AHL season, and how the taxi system will work. If certain guys who would typically be in the AHL are on the taxi squad instead, then he almost certainly needs to sign a couple of forwards at the very least.

I like what Dubas has done and I see where you're coming from; personally I'm just not sold on him, and not for 3.5m; and because of the pricetag I don't see term as much more added value. The way I view it, I think he has a jump on Vesey 0.9m, Thornton 0.7m, but the gap is small. I think the short term market has changed with COVID. Wennberg (26) just went for 2.25m, Wallmark (25) just went 0.95m. I view them as being in the ballpark of close to equivalent replacements.

My guess for Kerfoot this year is that because of team personnel he's deployed in a more defensive role this year because they need him to be. I think he steps up and improves in those area, and eats some PK time and draws, and he puts up similar numbers to this season as last while doing it; which is more impressive than the numbers might suggest considering it's harder to put up points when you're deployed with more defensive responsibility (ex. d-zone starts, harder matchups, pk) and less offensive opportunity. Basically I think he's going to be deployed not the same as, but closer to, how Nick Bonino is deployed/utilized. Not only does that guy do it, he does it really well (better), while still putting up comparable/better numbers. It's definitely not all about numbers but for arguments sake it's factual and the eye-test can become very disputable. That's my take.
 
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If you look at the numbers in the bubble when Kerfoot was given a more prominent role on the PK, our numbers during that time were better. I guess things can change year to year. But for the money we spend on Kerfoot he delivers respectably.

That's a very small sample size against 1 team. A major factor in that was Hyman winning a lot more draws than he has been in recent years.
 
Some of the faithful seem obsessed about Lou & the demise of the NYI ...... LOL.

It's a mental trap (and loser mentality) to worry about what happens elsewhere and with symbols (Lamiorello) of what you hate. No one who amounts to anything handles the world in that way.
 
It's a mental trap (and loser mentality) to worry about what happens elsewhere and with symbols (Lamiorello) of what you hate. No one who amounts to anything handles the world in that way.
I agree. I'm not going to waste any CPU cycles worrying about what a past GM does (or doesn't do). And, hard to loathe any other team or GM when its just a sport for entertainment purposes.
 
I agree. I'm not going to waste any CPU cycles worrying about what a past GM does (or doesn't do). And, hard to loathe any other team or GM when its just a sport for entertainment purposes.

With having blowhard Montreal fans for relatives, I have to admit to enjoying their failures a wee bit.
 
With having blowhard Montreal fans for relatives, I have to admit to enjoying their failures a wee bit.
Friendly, good natured ribbing and rivalries are OK. Some people go further (take if more seriously) and/or have a hard time being objective though. I also have relatives that cheer for rival teams like you.
 
So are the Leafs going with a 21 man roster? I don't see any other way to get under the cap unless they make another deal to get relief.
 
So are the Leafs going with a 21 man roster? I don't see any other way to get under the cap unless they make another deal to get relief.

I don't even know how that works with the whole "taxi" squad concept being discussed.

Are we going to be allowed to have 21 players for cap purposes, while still carrying 2-3 guys on a "taxi" squad?
 
I don't even know how that works with the whole "taxi" squad concept being discussed.

Are we going to be allowed to have 21 players for cap purposes, while still carrying 2-3 guys on a "taxi" squad?

I think that is how it is going to work. The taxi squad is effectively going to be like they are in the minors, except they get to travel with the team full time like they are on the official roster. I would not be surprised if they still need to clear waivers to go on the taxi squad, and if they want to have them on the full roster, then they need to make cap room just like they would if they were to call them up.
 
I think that is how it is going to work. The taxi squad is effectively going to be like they are in the minors, except they get to travel with the team full time like they are on the official roster. I would not be surprised if they still need to clear waivers to go on the taxi squad, and if they want to have them on the full roster, then they need to make cap room just like they would if they were to call them up.

It makes some sense, at least in some respects, but not in a Covid world. So, your starter gets injured, or has Covid, and you pull your Goalie from the taxi squad, he goes through waivers, gets claimed, and then what??? It kind of defeats the purpose of the taxi squad.
 
It makes some sense, at least in some respects, but not in a Covid world. So, your starter gets injured, or has Covid, and you pull your Goalie from the taxi squad, he goes through waivers, gets claimed, and then what??? It kind of defeats the purpose of the taxi squad.

Not when he is pulled from the taxi squad, but when he is first put on it.

The rules should work exactly like they would work if you sent a guy to the minors, except instead of going to the AHL affiliate, they go to the taxi squad. No waivers required if you are brought up, but there are waivers if you are sent down.

Seems to be how they are going to do it.
 
Not when he is pulled from the taxi squad, but when he is first put on it.

The rules should work exactly like they would work if you sent a guy to the minors, except instead of going to the AHL affiliate, they go to the taxi squad. No waivers required if you are brought up, but there are waivers if you are sent down.

Seems to be how they are going to do it.

It's still problematic for us... now it means Hutch could end up getting playing time.
 
Missed that Anthony Duclair signed a 1 year $1.7M deal with Florida. It could have worked out worse for him but that's less than Ottawa's QO. At least he didn't have to pay an agent.
 
Bill Guerin didn't make Rask trade, it was Fenton.

He shipped off Staal because Staal is old & doesn't do Jack squat in playoffs.

Bonino isn't going anywhere at least till trade deadline if not resigned. He traded for Bonino because of his toughness and locker room presence

Also Google is your friend. how you didn't google.com to see it was Fenton who made rask trade, & Fenton was fired last year is mind boggling embarrassing for you
Sounds like somebody wasn't impressed with Staal; still a clear loss in my mind for what they got in return. I agree with that, he was just acquired; my thread proposal was a mid-season trade proposal on the Leafs boad; it was off the assumption that Bill Guerin is a bad general manager; maybe there's hope. I guess for not googling it I assumed nobody would car because of who it was.
 
It makes some sense, at least in some respects, but not in a Covid world. So, your starter gets injured, or has Covid, and you pull your Goalie from the taxi squad, he goes through waivers, gets claimed, and then what??? It kind of defeats the purpose of the taxi squad.

According to Chris Johnston, each team must carry 3 goalies on the team and taxi squad.



Edit: Apparently, that doesn't mean Dell wouldn't still have to clear waivers...sorry.
 
Hawks apparently shopping Connor Murphy. Any interest in him?
He was the ideal target pre-Brodie.

Bringing him in now would mean you lose Dermott in expansion. Considering they rejected Dermott + AJ for Weegar, don’t see management interested in something similar for Murphy.

Upgrading on Holl will have to happen internally or post-expansion draft.
 
He was the ideal target pre-Brodie.

Bringing him in now would mean you lose Dermott in expansion. Considering they rejected Dermott + AJ for Weegar, don’t see management interested in something similar for Murphy.

Upgrading on Holl will have to happen internally or post-expansion draft.

Likely comes through Dermott or Liljegren, which is possible as soon as next year.
 
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Not when he is pulled from the taxi squad, but when he is first put on it.

The rules should work exactly like they would work if you sent a guy to the minors, except instead of going to the AHL affiliate, they go to the taxi squad. No waivers required if you are brought up, but there are waivers if you are sent down.

Seems to be how they are going to do it.
I think they will make an exemption with COVID calls up. Personally, I dont think the League and PA have gone far enough with waiver and taxi squad yet. They just finished with the start date of the season and playoff format.
 
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