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AKL
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Imagine if Billy had contacted Rossi's agent early like he did with Zucc, Hartman, and Freddy instead of watching the kid's price go up with his progress every damn game.
I knew this was gonna be BG's plan. He was gonna sit on his hands, while Rossi continued to get better and more expensive. By doing so, he can now tell the fans that Rossi is asking for too much than he's willing to pay, therefore he has no choice but to move him.
It's one thing to move the kid if you can get an obvious upgrade. But that won't be what happens. He's gonna make a lateral move AT BEST just for the sake of moving a player he simply doesn't like. He's gonna send away the one centerman who can not only score goals, but who also has had the best chemistry with Kaprizov.....all for probably another older, bigger, slower, fringe top 6er. But hey, he'll be more tough!
But you be you, Billy!
I knew this was gonna be BG's plan. He was gonna sit on his hands, while Rossi continued to get better and more expensive. By doing so, he can now tell the fans that Rossi is asking for too much than he's willing to pay, therefore he has no choice but to move him.
It's one thing to move the kid if you can get an obvious upgrade. But that won't be what happens. He's gonna make a lateral move AT BEST just for the sake of moving a player he simply doesn't like. He's gonna send away the one centerman who can not only score goals, but who also has had the best chemistry with Kaprizov.....all for probably another older, bigger, slower, fringe top 6er. But hey, he'll be more tough!
But you be you, Billy!
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This isn’t going to be a Khusnutdinov type trade. If it does happen, it’ll probably be a 1-for-1 hockey trade for someone of similar age/skill or a Fiala type trade of a near NHL ready prospect + 1st.
Rossi wasn't going to get a Boldy or Faber type of contract offer after last season. Those type of deals are the only ones an agent should consider with a year left on a players ELC. At best Rossi would have gotten similar money to JEE. It's better for the player play out the next season, raise his value, and see what the cap increase is going to be.
The vet players mentioned it was better to get the payday when they could because their value isn't going to go up and more likely to go down.
Killakirillthethrill
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I feel like a bridge at the start of the season for like 5m , everyone would've jumped down BGs throat for signing it too early, but he would've looked like a genius now if we locked Rossi up at 5m for he next few seasons.
Now its looking to be at least 7m...
Positive note Kaprizov should start skating next week!
Now its looking to be at least 7m...
Positive note Kaprizov should start skating next week!
Trading Rossi would resonate negatively in the locker room, IMO. Rossi is the one guy who has done everything asked of him, and more, by the management, and has shown, if not elite, then quasi elite ability to score points while playing the Center position, all at a young age. He doesn't miss games, doesn't act like a jerk off ice... what more does Guerin want?
I could see a house cleaning in Vancouver if they miss the playoffs. Tochett gone(good riddance, always thought he was a jerk), Boeser, and EP. They can't be paying a guy 11.6M and have him mail it in like he has. I wonder if they would go for a trade based on Rossi + Ohgren for EP? Maybe even throw in Spurgeon both for cap reasons, and to provide cover for Quinn Hughes, who seems to have no help on the team. It would be a risk for us, if it turns out that EP's terrible year is a sign of things to come, rather than just a blip.
I could see a house cleaning in Vancouver if they miss the playoffs. Tochett gone(good riddance, always thought he was a jerk), Boeser, and EP. They can't be paying a guy 11.6M and have him mail it in like he has. I wonder if they would go for a trade based on Rossi + Ohgren for EP? Maybe even throw in Spurgeon both for cap reasons, and to provide cover for Quinn Hughes, who seems to have no help on the team. It would be a risk for us, if it turns out that EP's terrible year is a sign of things to come, rather than just a blip.
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Dr Jan Itor
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Hoping all this trade talk is just a negotiating tactic, would like to keep rossi. Or just bridge him and see what happens down the road.
MK9
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I think it's pretty apparent, downright blatant at this point that Guerin values size and grit over anything else. He's also on record a few years ago as saying something akin to centers not being as important as everyone believes them to be. I don't get it. I like Rossi and hope it works out they keep him. But, I'm not anywhere near hopeful based on the amount of times we've heard Guerin wants to trade him.
As far as Pettersson goes, not sure I'm down for that. Wouldn't go so far as to say I wouldn't want him here if they made a move for him. Just that, I love the skill he has, but I have a healthy aversion to players that are suspect of being low effort and/or me first guys. The Laine, Fiala, Pettersson types and to go back even further, Gaborik. I was not put out whatsoever when they got rid of him. It was clear he didn't want to be here and I've zero interest in watching guys like that. Just do your f***ing job. Rantanen is another one. He can deny all he wants, I don't believe his rebuttals about not putting in full effort during his time in Carolina and I was not disappointed when he went elsewhere. (Not saying there was even a sniff of a chance of him coming to MN) However, him going to Dallas annoys me. Watching Dallas and the Avs load up really sucks. Hope they both fail spectacularly in the playoffs.
You don't think he has this worth? I mean Knies pluis 1st would still be good
No chance. Knies is a very rare prototype. I don’t even know if Rossi gets it done in a 1 for 1 deal.
BagHead
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I think Knies is a very interesting young player due to his skillset combined with his size, but he also plays almost exclusively with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Tavares, with that heavily skewed toward the first two guys. He ranks 5th on their team in scoring behind all 4 of them, with ~35% fewer points than the guy who's 4th (Tavares), and ~89% fewer points than the guy in 1st (Marner). I don't think he's exactly a passenger, but he's certainly the weak link on the 1st line.
I'm not trying to argue that he's not worth Rossi+, but I think the Wild won't have quite the same level of offensive support for him as the Leafs are giving him right now. Just food for thought.
Obvious Fabertism
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I find it funny that we started the season as the shortest and lightest team in the league and people get up in arms at Guerin for being all about size.
BagHead
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Truth. He speaks fairly highly of several other Wild players who are small, including Zuccarello and Spurgeon.
That said, I think he's either got it in his head that you can only have so many small players, or he's changed his mind about small players. Not sure why he would do the latter, though, as the Wild's smallest players seem to be its most productive overall. If that's not the case, I don't understand why Rossi keeps getting tossed out there as a trade option.
I agree. I just think he’s worth more to Toronto because they have the foundational pieces already in place and need elite role players, which Knies profiles to be. For a team with a history of playoff failures, a big guy with an elite motor like Knies has a ton of value.
Rossi is such a hard player to gauge. On one hand, he’s a productive Top 6 C who is never injured and won’t kill you in your own zone. On the other, he’s one of the smallest Cs in the league, can’t carry the puck and isn’t suited to being the best guy on a line.
MK9
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Size is great, but simply going for size but shedding skill and speed for just the sake of big and gritty isn't the fix. Let's not ignore that that's what has happened.
If Kaprizov does leave, I definitely see him leaving for New York. Shesterkin is his best friend and New York will make him the highest paid forward in the league. He would also give New York a franchise talent they haven't had in a while. However, I just don't see anything on New York's roster that Minnesota would want. They passed on Perrault for a reason and their prospect depth is terrible.
BagHead
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Wild at the end of '18-19 before BG took over (when healthy):
5'11 - 6'4" - 6'0"
5'11 - 6'3" - 6'0"
6'3" - 6'2" - 6'4"
6'6" - 6'3" - 6'0"
5'10"
6'1" - 5'9"
6'2" - 6'1"
6'2" - 6'3"
5'9"
Parise - Staal - Fiala
Zucker - Koivu - Donato
Foligno - Rask - Fehr
Greenway - JEE - Kunin
JT Brown
Suter - Spurgeon
Brodin - Dumba
Pateryn - Seeler
Brad Hunt
Zucker - Koivu - Donato
Foligno - Rask - Fehr
Greenway - JEE - Kunin
JT Brown
Suter - Spurgeon
Brodin - Dumba
Pateryn - Seeler
Brad Hunt
The Wild Today (when healthy):
5'10" - 6'3" - 5'8"
6'2" - 5'9" - 5'11"
6'3" - 6'0" - 5'10"
6'1" - 6'0" - 6'2"
6'6" - 6'1"
6'2 - 6'1"
6'3" - 5'9"
6'1" - 6'3"
6'3"
Kaprizov - JEE - Zuccarello
Boldy - Rossi - Nyquist
Foligno - Hartman - Hinostroza
Johansson - Gaudreau - Trenin
Brazeau - Shore
Brodin - Faber
Middleton - Spurgeon
Chisholm - Bogosian
Merrill
Boldy - Rossi - Nyquist
Foligno - Hartman - Hinostroza
Johansson - Gaudreau - Trenin
Brazeau - Shore
Brodin - Faber
Middleton - Spurgeon
Chisholm - Bogosian
Merrill
The bottom team is noticeably smaller. I'm not sure I'd say they're more skilled, but they're not far less skilled either.
This board has a tendency to spiral.
The real question that needs to be answered: is Rossi worth $8-9M per year?
If the answer is yes, is the only reason because the cap ceiling is expected to reach $110M in a few years?
I think it's tough to square paying Rossi more than $7M if they think Boldy is a more valuable player.
He signed in 2019 - so 6 years ago. And while he has produced points, he hasn't produced goals except for last season and this season. Kaprizov has a 50+ goal potential.
Explain to me why Toronto would trade Knies+1st for Rossi.
I think because Toronto needs a top 2c and Rossi has become that. There's the value or a C and a Wing
