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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
....and he took it further.

Do you think this roster is championship caliber? Do you think the roster's of the last 2 years should've been better than top 4 and top 8 in the NHL? I certainly don't.

Do you remember the same types of things being said about the 08-09 team? About how they were a coach away from being contenders? I do. It was ******** then and its ******** now.

The next coach, no matter who it is, will run into the same problem. Inflated expectations from the fanbase.
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Last season's team was tied for the 2nd best regular-season record in the NHL and was only 2 points from the top spot. There's absolutely no reason that team shouldn't have been considered a Cup contender.

As for the 08-09 team, I don't remember anyone thinking they would be Cup contenders with a different coach. That team was all over-the-hill players, underachievers or players too green to be relied upon - except Hank.

Was this team a Cup contender? I think they were at the beginning of the season...and then the season unraveled and there's no reason for Torts to escape any blame for that season unraveling.

In the end, I think this team had enough talent to compete with the Bruins and certainly enough to win more than one game.

Torts had 5 years in NY. Nobody cheated him of an opportunity to get the job done. He didn't. End of story.
 
Quotes from Fire Tom Renney Thread/Tom Renney and Perry Pearn Fired thread:

Funny quotes to look back on. Sounds similar to Torts firing thread/encompassing Torts threads.

Ever hear of players like Zherdev, Drury, Gomez, Naslund, Rosival, Lundqvist? These are no names to brush aside. That is serious talent. Talent a serious coach will use to their strengths. If fact, these inferior players and you imply have the same point totals as the Florida players you mentioned so with Renney apparently with nothing to work with got so much out of those players, I guess under Renney, Horton, Weiss, Bouwmeester, Frolik, Booth would all be top 20 scorers?

Renney has a system. Sather signed players and they didn't work too well with the system. Wouldn't making adjustments and generally changing your system to get the most out of your players be a nice step forward? Renney just stuck with his system hoping as one other poster pointed out, Lundqvist and Jagr would win games for him and before this season, it was always enough. I'm a seriously doubt Renney had no input on what players to go after during UFA season so Sather isn't 100% at fault for those choices. I'm sure Perry Pearn has got a large chunk of the Redden signing on him as well.

again, I have nothing against Renney other than he did not make adjustments. He's a good coach but the team changed and he didn't see it fit to change with them. Great coaches can coach with whatever you give them and make it work.
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Most teams dont have 3 legit top line players either.

We have Drury, Gomez, Dubinsky, Naslund, Zherdev who are top 6 players player....that is plenty of offensive talent on the top 2 lines that should produce. Then you have 3rd line players like Voros and Callahan who have put up great numbers for "3rd line" players.

This isnt playstation, and Sather doesnt have a magic wand where he can magically get 1st line players, and neither does any GM. The coach has to work what he has, and fix problems...something Renney doesn't do and just hopes eveything just works out in the end.
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Perry Pearn is obviously a jackass with no clue of how to run a power play. The amount of player turnover would suggest that it's not the players, but who is running the show, and that is Pearn. Not only has the power play's inability to score become a glaring issue, but their inability to stop other teams from scoring is overwhelming, and downright pathetic. It's time for a change. Marc Staal should have been put on that power play a long time ago, I've been saying it since about December of last year. They refuse to change up who is on the power play and who is not, and how the power play is ran, so Pearn's gotta go.
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The team has talent. Its the coach.
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Which group of forwards do you think is more offensively talented?

In all honesty, ignoring salary, ignoring everything ancillary, which group of forwards do you think is better, plain and simple.

Phil Kessel
Marc Savard
David Krejci
Blake Wheeler
Milan Lucic
Dennis Wideman
Marco Sturm
Michael Ryder
Chuck Kobasew
Patrice Bergeron

OR

Nikolai Zherdev
Scott Gomez
Chris Drury
Markus Naslund
Brandon Dubinsky
Ryan Callahan
Aaron Voros
Nigel Dawes
Freddy Sjostrom
Lauri Korpiskoski

Which do you think is more suited for goal scoring. Be honest here.

I look at both rosters, and I can honestly say, based on talent alone, id say the Rangers are better.

And yet, the Bruins goal scoring: 3.32G/G (4th in NHL) and the Rangers goal scoring: 2.41G/G (29th in the NHL)

What does this say to me? This says to me that you do not need to have a team filled with Crosbys and Ovechkins to score goals. You just need a coach with some semblance of an idea of how to best take advantage of the players he has.
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lol.
 
Ola said:
We had a great firesale in on the spring of 04'. We traded Kovalev, Rucinsky, Leetch, Barnaby, Nedved, Simon, Malakhov and Carter for picks and prospects.

Nine years ago.
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And then trading for Jagr said that we were done rebuilding.

Lundqvist being so awesome didn't help matters either. (Tanking-wise)
 
I would like to see Adam Graves as the coach of the New York Rangers. I know he doesn't have any coaching experience, I don't care! He would be awesome. :handclap:
 
Ola said:
We had a great firesale in on the spring of 04'. We traded Kovalev, Rucinsky, Leetch, Barnaby, Nedved, Simon, Malakhov and Carter for picks and prospects.

Nine years ago.
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There was a firesale but it was simply to get a better shot at Crosby...but we couldn't get that right, either. There was no rebuild. We came out of the lockout and signed Jagr and part of his Czech National team posse, had Henrik and away we went. The Rangers did put more emphasis on player development to fill out depth positions but the key players were still UFA's.
 
Brian Boyle said:
Dreger talking about Messier on NHL Live.

Honestly wonder about him as a coach. He'd definitely demand a ton of respect.

In the end, though, I'd definitely say NO to Messier. Literally has no coaching experience.
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Mess picked the poor job for Canada as a GM for the 2010 WCH's picking this roster:
http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/230/IHM2300CAN_83_9_0.pdf

That team was sadly one of the worst Canadian national teams I've ever seen. There where sooo many players that just did not belong on that level.

Messier is and forever will be my big idol as a hockey player. Nobody will overtake him for me. But his biggest strength was his stubborness. He was behind our failure in 2001-2003 to just the same extent as Slats.

I don't think the motivation is there for him anymore to really learn the game we have today.
 
offdacrossbar said:
i really hope we get an infusion of talent and offensve ability and perhaps less 3rd line grinder types. im looking forward to a few new faces on this roster that can actually beat someone one on one and create offensive chances on the rush for a change.
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I think that was the Columbus trade. I don't see where an infusion of talent comes with the current cap situation, not unless a major shake up happens. I think Richards gets bought out, Clowe isn't resigned (hopefully Zucc is), and we see a Miller or a Fast make the team out of camp. Hopefully Marc Staal can be Staal again after a full offseason, that's a major plus right there. Maybe some small moves get made, but I just don't see the flexibility for anything major.

I'm actually ok with that. We're still talking about a young roster that is finding its way. Who here called Derek Stepan making the jump he did before the season started? We all expected too much out of Chris Kreider coming into this season, my guess is that we will all expect too little from him going into next. There is more offensive talent on this team than has manifested so far, if you bring in a coach that can squeeze more creativity out of it and a few kids take a step forward, its a very formidable roster. They don't need to go out and win a track meet every night - the strength of the roster is always going to be the goalie and the D-corps - they just have to be a bit more balanced.
 
Kershaw said:
Funny quotes to look back on. Sounds similar to Torts firing thread/encompassing Torts threads.

lol.
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Obviously, history made an ass of those people saying that Torts was the answer/Renney the problem re: more goal scoring.
 
I didn't watch the TSN shows but didn't anybody make point of who would be a good fit for the current roster? Instead of just discussing names and resumes, that's something i'd be interested in.
 
Stay far away from Crawford, Vigneault, Ruff and espeically Messier.

Torn on Boucher.

My choices are Dave Tippett, Dallas Eakins, Scott Gordon in that order. Pierre wouldn't be a bad choice either, he's a fantastic hockey mind in spite of his creepiness.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
In Torts system yes, he has all of his lines playing the same way. They don't sustain a pressure and take a lot of shots from the perimeter. It's not hard to understand why they don't score goals when you take that into consideration. Braden Holtby was right when he said it was a "walk in the park", bit him in the ass in the end, but none the less they didn't really challenge goalies.
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System has some to do with it, but I dont think changing systems is going to convert these guys into high goal scorers.

I mean just look at everyone on the offense, only a couple of them have only ever played under Torts.

Nobody apart from Nash and Cally have ever even approached 30 goals. (ignoring richards).

Compare to lets say the pens last year... They had what, 5/6 guys that hit 25 goals? And thats with crosby out of the lineup.

Who are these guys that are going to explode goals wise in a new system? Nash, sure. Who else? Is Hagelin going to score 20+? I doubt it. Who else? Stepan? Maybe. Zucc? Very doubtful.

This team, like always, is top heavy. It was much better in 11-12 with Dubi and Anisimov, but its never had the scoring depth to not rely on 2-3 guys. And next year wont be any different.


Can compare to a team like Stl, that has what, 7 or 8 20 goal scorers on the roster, but no real superstar. They beat teams by having everyone on that team a threat to score. Sort of similar to how Boston wins.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Had Richards produced at even the same level this year as last we could have been top four. I understand you and Kershaw both hate every player on the team and think we are complete scrubs but it's tiresome. This team isn't as bad as it looked this year. No world beater IMO but also not just lucky to be there.
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No I do not hate any player on this team. I do detest Glen Sather for getting an absolute free pass without any local media criticism. He is to blame for building a roster filled with crap players.

I heard the same thing with previous Rangers coaches. "This team has the talent, the coach is holding them back!". Fool me once......
 
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