Speculation: Toronto Offer Sheet Post Opening Day

[Jumptheshark]

Toronto has a deceptive amount of cap space. After the season starts they will put Horton on LTIR and they will clear plenty of cap space after this season. They also have an unlimited budget. I also think this draft class is weak.

I could totally see Toronto put an offer sheet on Trouba, Kucherov or Lindholm. Any of those players are probably better players than the player they would draft and the player they offer sheeted would still be a very young player. To me it would make sense for Toronto to be aggressive. It does not hurt their rebuild and could be a huge addition, especially Lindholm. I don't see what Anaheim or Tampa could do if they put an offer on Lindholm or Kucherov.

It would also be very ironic if they offer sheeted Kucherov. Tampa resigns Stamkos who spurned a larger contract from Toronto. Tampa, by signing Stamkos, lacks the cap space to resign Kucherov who signs with Toronto.

couple of quick hits

1) Leafs would be idiots to give up first rounders at this point in time
2) IN the off season they can only go over the cap by X amount. Players are not on LTIR in the off season
3) Factor in rookie bonus'..matthews could easily tap out at 3.75 and marnier at 1.75

 

[go4hockey]

They would trade their 3rd round pick back if it helped them have enough space to sign Lindholm. Toronto could acquire Fowler and their 3rd. Lindholm would sign with Anaheim but Toronto could still go after another RFA.

Yea good luck with that happening.

 

[Mad Brills*]

I'd rather just trade assets instead of the picks.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba would be the cheapest option I would think. Would also give
You a potential long term partner for Reilly.

Cheveldayoff most likely would want Gardiner+Kapanen even to get the discussion going. As far as suggesting that Trouba could be a long term partner with Rielly that all depends talk is he has no desire to play in Canada period especially in Toronto the team that he grew up despising as a diehard Red Wings fan.

 

[ChargersRookie]

this years draft is nothing special

and the top 3 draft positions are all lottery based. they had a 20% chance to draft 1st overall as the worst team in the league.

Lindholm/Kucherov vs a top 5 pick in a weak draft

You'd have to be lucky to get a Lindholm/Kucherov with those odds

Who whispered that in your ear?

 

[LeafFever]

They'll be no offer sheets by the Leafs or any team.

 

[Sabretooth]

Very very unlikely.

For offer sheets, the following pick compensations must be made according to the dollar value of the contracts:

$5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First, Second and Third Round Picks - Toronto is not eligible
$7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - 2 First Round Picks, 1 Second and 1 Third Round Pick - again Toronto is not eligible
$9,388,080 or greater - 4 First Round Picks - Toronto is eligible but they'd be crazy to offer that much money and give up 4 first rounders.

See this for more detail http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

Didn't see it mentioned in here but just wanted to point out that those contract values are only for 5 yr contract offers and below. Hypothetically, a 7yr $6,705,772 per offer would also be in the 4 1st rd picks tier because the total value of the contract ($46,940400) is divided by 5 for offer sheet compensation purposes for 6 or 7 year offers.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

They'll be no offer sheets by the Leafs or any team.

Totally agree with this, If one were going to be offered. It would have already been done by now.

 

[almostawake]

Trouba wants out of Winnipeg.

Offersheet is an awful option for a player that actually wants to leave somewhere as the team can just match.

 

[McDLT]

Trouba is not going to sign an offer sheet because if he does the Jets will simply match and Trouba is either obligated to play for the Jets for the full term of the contract, or not play anywhere.

Yeah. Signing an offer sheet is probably the very last thing that Trouba would want to do right now. The Jets would match it and then send Lou a thank you note for keeping Jacob in WPG for another X years.

The only way that I see the Jets not matching what the Leafs offer is if the compensation is at least Two firsts, a second and third-round pick.
edit: messed up compensation

 

[FrankAbagnale]

Very very unlikely.

For offer sheets, the following pick compensations must be made according to the dollar value of the contracts:

$5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First, Second and Third Round Picks - Toronto is not eligible
$7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - 2 First Round Picks, 1 Second and 1 Third Round Pick - again Toronto is not eligible
$9,388,080 or greater - 4 First Round Picks - Toronto is eligible but they'd be crazy to offer that much money and give up 4 first rounders.

See this for more detail http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

For the two lower-priced options, the only alternative would be to re-acquire the pick(s) they traded to make the offer.

 

[613Leafer]

Offer sheets are bad ideas, especially if you just finished last in the league.

Pretty much by definition, you have to overpay in capspace to acquire the player, and THEN give up very valuable picks on top of that.

The other team has the choice to match or not, so would only not match if they think the capspace + picks are definitely more valuable than the player.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Toronto has a deceptive amount of cap space. After the season starts they will put Horton on LTIR and they will clear plenty of cap space after this season. They also have an unlimited budget. I also think this draft class is weak.

I could totally see Toronto put an offer sheet on Trouba, Kucherov or Lindholm. Any of those players are probably better players than the player they would draft and the player they offer sheeted would still be a very young player. To me it would make sense for Toronto to be aggressive. It does not hurt their rebuild and could be a huge addition, especially Lindholm. I don't see what Anaheim or Tampa could do if they put an offer on Lindholm or Kucherov.

It would also be very ironic if they offer sheeted Kucherov. Tampa resigns Stamkos who spurned a larger contract from Toronto. Tampa, by signing Stamkos, lacks the cap space to resign Kucherov who signs with Toronto.

Neither Stamkos nor Kucherov want to play in Toronto, though.

 

[Ropesman]

Yeah im totally against the offer sheet idea. Especially during a rebuilding year. I don't think our management wants to have another team gunning to offer sheet our players either. I know I sure don't with all the talent we have coming up the pipeline.

 

[Ropesman]

Who whispered that in your ear?

My thoughts exactly lol

Most of these young guys don't truly show up until their draft year begins. Only the true studs are being talked about this early.

 

[Bfreezy40]

If Toronto offer sheets one of them if they could wouldn't it be like Phil Kessel all over again?

 

[Legend123]

Rebuilding teams dont offer sheet players esp players from other rebuilding teams.

 

[Menzinger]

While I do feel the Leafs will be much better this season (ie not in the bottom 5) as a general rule of thumb not a great idea for a former 30th overall team to risk their 1st rounder especially in a guy like Trouba - who while a good player isn't a franchise guy

 

[colchar]

talk is he has no desire to play in Canada period especially in Toronto the team that he grew up despising as a diehard Red Wings fan.

And where, exactly, is this "talk" coming from?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

And where, exactly, is this "talk" coming from?

It's been rumored that he wants to play in the States and as close to home as possible. And that Overhardt isn't even talking to Canadian teams. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Leafs87]

Two reasons why Toronto shouldn't offer sheet any stars.

Seguin

Hamilton

 

[Starat327]

Something to consider in getting those picks back is that

A) Anaheim holds the one (if I am following correctly). They also have two RFAs unsigned. Doubt they'd risk it at all, even if there was some sort of gentleman's agreement.

B) NJ has the other (again, if I follow correctly). They also are one of the few other teams with loads of space. Why create competition for the offer sheet? Keep the pick and handcuff the Leafs to make an offer they don't want to (and likely wouldn't). Though, I also believe NJ is missing a pick this year too, but I could be wrong there.

 

[colchar]

It's been rumored that he wants to play in the States and as close to home as possible.

I'll ask again - where is this coming from? If from a legit source, fine. If not, then it isn't worth the paper it is written on.

 

[colchar]

Two reasons why Toronto shouldn't offer sheet any stars.

Seguin

Hamilton

That was a trade, not an offer sheet.

And had they not had Phil that season would have played out differently, as would those draft picks.

 

[Leafs87]

That was a trade, not an offer sheet.

And had they not had Phil that season would have played out differently, as would those draft picks.

Yeah it probably would of been a first overall selection followed by another top 5 pick. I know it was a trade but it was essentially what an offer sheet would of cost. Since Burke crapped on Lowe for offersheeting one of his players he didn't want to do the same thing.