Speculation: Toronto Offer Sheet Post Opening Day

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Toronto and Anaheim have a real go-to trade relationship. They've traded with each other a lot over the last 6 or so years, like way more than any other two teams.

No way Toronto offer sheets any Anaheim player and vice versa.

 

[whlscowt]

I'd argue the 2017 draft is deeper, especially with the Europe and WHL crop. There's no one right now on a Matthews type trajectory, but it's shaping up to be a good draft year in my books.

 

[Dustin]

There is no point in offer sheeting right now for the Leafs. If they were more competitive and knew that their picks would be later in the draft perhaps, but as it stands I would much rather let Hunter do his job and see how it pans out.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Toronto will not be giving up multiple first round picks to overpay (in $$) for an -albeit very, very good- player.

Offer sheets are for bubble teams on the rise and high end teams with cap space

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Very very unlikely.

For offer sheets, the following pick compensations must be made according to the dollar value of the contracts:

$5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First, Second and Third Round Picks - Toronto is not eligible
$7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - 2 First Round Picks, 1 Second and 1 Third Round Pick - again Toronto is not eligible
$9,388,080 or greater - 4 First Round Picks - Toronto is eligible but they'd be crazy to offer that much money and give up 4 first rounders.

See this for more detail http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

If this is the only thing stopping them offer sheeting a player (meaning that they have a contract acceptable for them ready to be signed), they would have no issue conceding some value in getting those picks back. This is a non-issue

 

[Razz]

Although highly unlikely, I could get behind an offer sheet. At this point the Leafs are less likely to be keen on young players after drafting Matthews and can afford to risk some draft picks.

Their strategy seems pretty clear that they have chosen their age group to be the age range of Matthews - Rielly and have filled the cupboards with players mostly in that range. The last draft had a lot of older draft picks, which to me is a dead giveaway.

 

[TT1]

4 1st's for Kucherov at 9.4M, sounds good

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Why on Earth would any of these guys sign the Offer-Sheet with Toronto? They're a basement dwelling team and any of these offer-sheets would destroy the future rebuilding plans they have.


Players would just see this and realize they'd be setting themselves up for a disappointing future on a lackluster team most likely.


Not only that, but TBL and ANA would just match the offersheets anyway. Unless the Leafs are offering a contract for 9M+, these players are too valuable to teams contending for a cup right now to just be given away for 4 first round picks.


The only team who maybe takes that is Winnipeg with Trouba. Everyone else happily matches right away or makes a move or two freeing up cap space before matching.



And guess what? Then, in 3-4 years when Marner, Matthews, Nylander, etc. are in the same situation, you damn well know these teams will be firing right back with some sort of crazy offer sheet just to screw the Leafs the same way.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If this is the only thing stopping them offer sheeting a player (meaning that they have a contract acceptable for them ready to be signed), they would have no issue conceding some value in getting those picks back. This is a non-issue

Depends on who they're trying to offer sheet. Doubt Anaheim has an interest in a trade ensuring the conditions on the Andersen trade doesn't involving a Leafs 2nd if that opens them up to having the Leafs offer sheet Lindholm or Rakell.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Depends on who they're trying to offer sheet. Doubt Anaheim has an interest in a trade ensuring the conditions on the Andersen trade doesn't involving a Leafs 2nd if that opens them up to having the Leafs offer sheet Lindholm or Rakell.

I agree. That's the only exception though.

 

[Batrous]

4 first round picks option is about the only option they could do given the deal they made with the ducks and given the devils and wings have the leafs 3rd round picks in the next 2 drafts. Plus they traded a conditional 2nd to the ducks in the Anderson deal and so who knows whether that could end up the leafs pick.

If the leafs really wanted to get any of those players they would have simply tried to do a straight up deal ... not a smart move to piss off a potential trading partner for a long time with an offer sheet especially when you are a rebuilding team that will in all likelihood be moving more veterans for picks, young players and prospects near the trade deadline. Teams looking to content for cups also tend to be willing to move out part of their future to add depth for a deep run.

 

[gamer1035]

we are going to finish last overall. why the **** would we trade a pick

 

[Stuzchuk]

Very very unlikely.

For offer sheets, the following pick compensations must be made according to the dollar value of the contracts:

$5,632,847 to $7,510,464 - First, Second and Third Round Picks - Toronto is not eligible
$7,510,464 to $9,388,080 - 2 First Round Picks, 1 Second and 1 Third Round Pick - again Toronto is not eligible
$9,388,080 or greater - 4 First Round Picks - Toronto is eligible but they'd be crazy to offer that much money and give up 4 first rounders.

See this for more detail http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

you will require to pick up you 3rd first... or give 4- 1st rounder

 

[Whileee]

Trouba is not going to sign an offer sheet because if he does the Jets will simply match and Trouba is either obligated to play for the Jets for the full term of the contract, or not play anywhere.

 

[Funk21]

By virtue of not having our third makes any substantial offer sheet unlikely to not be matched. Second while I would love trouba on the team, paying him more than the more established player in Reilly would be a bad move.

The idea of offersheeting an Ana player is not likely as our two teams trade history would suggest a pretty solid relationship, second introducing that type of tactics would ultimately backfire when our kids reach RFA & UFA status.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They should definitely not make an offer that will cost them 4 1st rounders. That would be ******** even it meant Kucherov or Lindholm.

If they could reacquire their 3rd rounder they should put an offer sheet. A 1st and 3rd or 1st, 2nd and 3rd is not a big deal in this draft and Toronto already has a deep prospect pool. They need to continue to add elite talent like Kucherov and Lindholm.

Ideally Toronto gets Fowler for cheap with their 3rd rounder back and maybe still has enough cap space to go after Kuchreov by putting an offer sheet that only costs them a 1st and 3rd or an offer sheet costing them 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Kucherov - Matthews - Nylander
Marner - Kadri - JVR
xxx-xxxxx-xxxx
xxx-xxxx-xxx

Fowler - Zaitsev
Reilly - XXXX
Gardiner - XXXX

Anderson
XXXX

That is a solid foundation.

Fowler plays with Reilly

 

[Halla]

4 first round picks option is about the only option they could do given the deal they made with the ducks and given the devils and wings have the leafs 3rd round picks in the next 2 drafts. Plus they traded a conditional 2nd to the ducks in the Anderson deal and so who knows whether that could end up the leafs pick.

If the leafs really wanted to get any of those players they would have simply tried to do a straight up deal ... not a smart move to piss off a potential trading partner for a long time with an offer sheet especially when you are a rebuilding team that will in all likelihood be moving more veterans for picks, young players and prospects near the trade deadline. Teams looking to content for cups also tend to be willing to move out part of their future to add depth for a deep run.

I dont think it would be too hard to get a 3rd back.
SJ 3rd + a 4th and its done.

 

[Morbo]

They're not giving up 1st round picks, but they have enough assets to put in trade bids on those players. That's the far likelier route if by chance any of those guys ends up in a Leaf uniform.

 

[trick9]

Maple Leafs really shouldn't offer sheet anyone for atleast few more years. They will likely be near the basement for atleast the next 2-3 years with that line-up.

 

[Halla]

Why on Earth would any of these guys sign the Offer-Sheet with Toronto? They're a basement dwelling team and any of these offer-sheets would destroy the future rebuilding plans they have.


Players would just see this and realize they'd be setting themselves up for a disappointing future on a lackluster team most likely.


Not only that, but TBL and ANA would just match the offersheets anyway. Unless the Leafs are offering a contract for 9M+, these players are too valuable to teams contending for a cup right now to just be given away for 4 first round picks.


The only team who maybe takes that is Winnipeg with Trouba. Everyone else happily matches right away or makes a move or two freeing up cap space before matching.



And guess what? Then, in 3-4 years when Marner, Matthews, Nylander, etc. are in the same situation, you damn well know these teams will be firing right back with some sort of crazy offer sheet just to screw the Leafs the same way.

I think the player would likely use the leafs as leverage in this situation.

remember when ROR signed an offer sheet in calgary?
why would he have wanted to go there?

but yeah leafs arent doing this. they will likely be in the patrick/liljegren sweeps and thats a lot better than giving up multiple picks for the right to pay a guy 7.5 mil

 

[Halla]

Maple Leafs really shouldn't offer sheet anyone for atleast few more years. They will likely be near the basement for atleast the next 2-3 years with that line-up.

imagine a timothy lilejegren added to "that line-up"
downright scary in a couple years

 

[TheDoldrums]

Offer sheets are very rarely a good move and definitely not when the Leafs could be giving up the 1st overall + more picks. Not a chance this happens.

 

[SI90]

Trouba would be the cheapest option I would think. Would also give
You a potential long term partner for Reilly.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Toronto has a deceptive amount of cap space. After the season starts they will put Horton on LTIR and they will clear plenty of cap space after this season. They also have an unlimited budget. I also think this draft class is weak.

I could totally see Toronto put an offer sheet on Trouba, Kucherov or Lindholm. Any of those players are probably better players than the player they would draft and the player they offer sheeted would still be a very young player. To me it would make sense for Toronto to be aggressive. It does not hurt their rebuild and could be a huge addition, especially Lindholm. I don't see what Anaheim or Tampa could do if they put an offer on Lindholm or Kucherov.

It would also be very ironic if they offer sheeted Kucherov. Tampa resigns Stamkos who spurned a larger contract from Toronto. Tampa, by signing Stamkos, lacks the cap space to resign Kucherov who signs with Toronto.

And what happens if all their guys on ELC's hit their bonuses? Matthews , Marner, Zaitsev, and Nylander all have bonus money that needs to be accounted for. Going over the cap with LTIR means that $ will be taken off of next year's cap. Thus next year's cap would be 2 or 3 or even 4million less.

Makes total sense to do an offer sheet now doesn't it?

 

[varano]

I don't think any of the options available as an offer sheet are worth the compensation