Confirmed with Link: Toronto Maple Leafs announce elevations and additions to the player development department

[sxvnert]

Great, childish name-calling instead of an actual argument



So? Gretzky was bloody good at the game as well, didn't make him able to translate that ability into other areas of hockey

How is she qualified for that Position? What has she achieved developing player at this level?

Maybe she's good, maybe she isn't but literally nobody knows one way or the other until we get some results through

The real question is what happens to the next gm who wants to clean house should the Kyle era not succeed. Good luck.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Believing the solution to fixing racism is more racism then you and other like minded individuals are part of the problem.

You should hire a lawyer and sue.

 

[sxvnert]

You'd have a point if they were switching from only hiring white people to only hiring people of color. But they are just hiring people of any race now, which is how it should be. I don't get a sense that you really know what the problem is or how to address it, but luckily the Leafs do

"are seeking diverse candidates"

Exactly what that statement means.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

"are seeking diverse candidates"

Exactly what that statement means.

they are creating new positions to give people experience in the industry. They are not refusing to hire white people now

 

[keonsbitterness]

Great, childish name-calling instead of an actual argument



So? Gretzky was bloody good at the game as well, didn't make him able to translate that ability into other areas of hockey

How is she qualified for that Position? What has she achieved developing player at this level?

Maybe she's good, maybe she isn't but literally nobody knows one way or the other until we get some results through

Literally nobody can specifically quantify what results were obtained by the guy they just let go. This position is too far removed from the public eye compared to coaches, G.M. and players.

You got something against dinosaurs?

The real question is what happens to the next gm who wants to clean house should the Kyle era not succeed. Good luck.

Just like any new G.M. hire, they'll keep who they want and fire the rest.

 

[sxvnert]

they are creating new positions to give people experience in the industry. They are not refusing to hire white people now

Any position with color preferences attached to it is racism regardless of its intentions. Again two wrongs dont make a right regardless of who its directed towards.

 

[hotpaws]

they are creating new positions to give people experience in the industry. They are not refusing to hire white people now

how aren't they refusing to hire white people for those positions ?

 

[Kiwi]

Literally nobody can specifically quantify what results were obtained by the guy they just let go. This position is too far removed from the public eye compared to coaches, G.M. and players.

You got something against dinosaurs?
Just like any new G.M. hire, they'll keep who they want and fire the rest.

The players that came through our system, some of them from mid to late picks are wins for the previous development team

If Wickenheiser can't do the same as them or better she will be a failure

 

[Menzinger]

Great, childish name-calling instead of an actual argument



So? Gretzky was bloody good at the game as well, didn't make him able to translate that ability into other areas of hockey

How is she qualified for that Position? What has she achieved developing player at this level?

Maybe she's good, maybe she isn't but literally nobody knows one way or the other until we get some results through

I mean it's not as if anyone from these boards is able to answer that since none of us know how the internal interworkings of the organization play out at the day to day level. She's worked with the Leafs for a while, one would presume management was able to evaluate her work at a more intimate level and clearly they feel comfortable with her in that role.

Based on what public knowledge we have her hockey background + medical one certainly gives her a more unique knowledge set than many other candidates. Which in turn seems to vibe well with the Leafs being big into "sports sciences".

 

[Kiwi]

Any position with color preferences attached to it is racism regardless of its intentions. Again two wrongs dont make a right regardless of who its directed towards.

how aren't they refusing to hire white people for those positions ?

Easy boys, it's "good" racism

If Leafs management are doing it we all know it's the correct kind of racial discrimination not the kind bad people get up to

 

[Marshy]

Ya this thread is heading towards locksville.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Great, childish name-calling instead of an actual argument



So? Gretzky was bloody good at the game as well, didn't make him able to translate that ability into other areas of hockey

How is she qualified for that Position? What has she achieved developing player at this level?

Maybe she's good, maybe she isn't but literally nobody knows one way or the other until we get some results through

From what I've heard, Gretzky wasn't very hands on when it came to coaching. I heard he relied on his assistants mostly on the x's and o's.

Thats the thing, she has already been working with the leafs in a development role. We as fans on the outside looking in dont know how much of an impact she has already had on young players in the organization so I don't think its warranted for people to be so quick to dismiss her as a quality candidate. Like I said, she is a hockey legend that young players can lean on about things like positioning, reading and making plays, and having a medical degree, I'm sure players can talk to her about things like nutrition, training, preparation, rest etc.

 

[Kiwi]

I mean it's not as if anyone from these boards is able to answer that since none of us know how the internal interworkings of the organization play out at the day to day level. She's worked with the Leafs for a while, one would presume management was able to evaluate her work at a more intimate level and clearly they feel comfortable with her in that role.

Based on what public knowledge we have her hockey background + medical one certainly gives her a more unique knowledge set than many other candidates. Which in turn seems to vibe well with the Leafs being big into "sports sciences".

Part time, I'm also not sure that amount of exposure to development at that level justifies that level of promotion

Honestly I'd be far happier if it was another female outside of the organization with a track record in player development like the people we just fired

Who had done good work by the way

 

[hamzarocks]

Man I knew 100% this thread would go down this route.

Frankly my position about this is who cares? Both in a good or bad way.

Wickenheiser is at the same spot for me dubas was in 2019. She has a chance to earn her keep and if she proves strong that props to her and she will be valued highly like Dubas/Gilman/Keefe etc are.

She lacks experience no doubt but really this is her chance to prove herself I'm a managerial role at the NHL level. If she does well and the results are visible then she should be considered for promotional opportunities. If she stinks she can be talked like nonis/Burke etc are and become a meme.

It's just to early at this point to say if she and the other person who was hired will prove good/bad. She deserves her chance for sure though and we can see how things play put in the next few years

 

[Kiwi]

From what I've heard, Gretzky wasn't very hands on when it came to coaching. I heard he relied on his assistants mostly on the x's and o's.

Thats the thing, she has already been working with the leafs in a development role. We as fans on the outside looking in dont know how much of an impact she has already had on young players in the organization so I don't think its warranted for people to be so quick to dismiss her as a quality candidate. Like I said, she is a hockey legend that young players can lean on about things like positioning, reading and making plays, and having a medical degree, I'm sure players can talk to her about things like nutrition, training, preparation, rest etc.

That just goes to show you that just because your bloody good it doesn't always translate to other situations, that's why journeyman types seem to do well in coaching

Look at Keefe for instance

Lots of people can talk about nutrition, psychology and sports science, we are asking her to develop NHL players from scratch

That isn't easy, I hope she's great but I'm going to need some tangible results first

 

[keonsbitterness]

The players that came through our system, some of them from mid to late picks are wins for the previous development team

If Wickenheiser can't do the same as them or better she will be a failure

If they're not happy with her work, she'll be fired.

Regardless, as fans we give all credit or blame to the G.M., coaches and players, and maybe team president. This position hardly ever gets mentioned except when there's a hiring or firing.

 

[On-the-Fly]

Wow. This thread...

Congrats Hailey, well done.

 

[GardinerTheForward]

Great. Would be as honest as her? Or would you just say that?

Not here to debate - we can agree to disagree, but nobody would be able to complete their residency and work another fulltime job without there being sacrifice.

You’re entitled to your opinion, so we’ll leave it there.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Not here to debate - we can agree to disagree, but nobody would be able to complete their residency and work another fulltime job without there being sacrifice.

You’re entitled to your opinion, so we’ll leave it there.

Wickenheiser might be able to. However, you are also entitled to your opinion.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

When it comes to judging outcomes, the one who ultimately gets judged is the GM. We have concrete moves and decisions we can link to him. All that is to say, we really have no way of judging whether the player development staff does a good job - or how their process works. It's impossible to know the impact Wick has had. That's not a critique, just a reality in terms of knowledge the general public has. That said, someone with her hockey background, and her experience with the Leafs, suggests she's as qualified as anyone else. It's also perfectly fine, indeed it's necessary, to celebrate doors being broken down and women getting more opportunities in pro hockey. The people criticizing it would almost certainly be mute if the Leafs gave the job to an ex-NHLer.

As for the internship. Good on the Leafs. Marginalized communities face systemic barriers to get the same opportunities white people, especially white men do. This is about helping break those down, and giving people from these communities a chance to get their foot in the door and to get the type of experience less available to them than others.

 

[Brobust]

Have the leafs not drafted and developed well in the period since Dubas took over?

I think they know what they're doing. Stop trying to politicize this or looking at it in an incredibly cynical way.

The leafs are making progress the right way, IMO.

 

[Ulysses31]

Have the leafs not drafted and developed well in the period since Dubas took over?

I think they know what they're doing. Stop trying to politicize this or looking at it in an incredibly cynical way.

The leafs are making progress the right way, IMO.

Trading kadri was a big mistake but has been great in the draft and seems he learned his lesson about the importance of players like kadri who can bang in the playoffs (getting big joe, simmonds etc.)

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Trading kadri was a big mistake but has been great in the draft and seems he learned his lesson about the importance of players like kadri who can bang in the playoffs (getting big joe, simmonds etc.)

You realize Kadri is about to be suspended for another series AGAIN right?

He doesn't help you from the press box.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Any position with color preferences attached to it is racism regardless of its intentions. Again two wrongs dont make a right regardless of who its directed towards.

Why such a simple statement such as yours is often misunderstood is beyond me. When you prefer one thing over the other for nothing more than a superficial reason like their gender or race....its being a bigot and a racist. How can the world be better when we allow EITHER set of peoples to be like this is troubling to say the least. Like you said...2 wrongs do not make a right and won't help fix what happened...it will only perpetuate it further.

 

[Ulysses31]

You realize Kadri is about to be suspended for another series AGAIN right?

He doesn't help you from the press box.

haha no didnt see! frig surprised he hasnt dialed it down. situation is different tho with leafs/bruins being dead even teams and the loss of kadri diff. between winning and losing. against blues they dont need him to win and perhaps (i dont know circumstances) the suspension was worth it.

Edit: Saw vid and hit was excessive. Bad play but at least it wont cost avs series like it did for the leafs twice. love kadri but yea you make a decent point, coin flip if kadri could keep it in his pants if he was playing for leafs and not get suspended.