Confirmed with Link: Toronto Maple Leafs announce elevations and additions to the player development department

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I'm a little disappointed , i was hoping they were going to announce Hayley replaced Shanny as President , Cassie Campbell taking over for Dubas and Goyette being named Head coach .

oh well maybe next year , lol
 
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So... you have to play in the NHL.... to be a hockey genius?
Well if you follow the thread, my original question was "what makes her a hockey genius?". He had no answer. In reply to his non-answer, I pointed out that she has never played in the NHL, so what exactly is it that she knows? or can do that is so special? What players has she had a hand in developing, that she is now being promoted? again no answer. I could make the argument that just because Gretzky is the GOAT doesn't mean he is a very good coach. It's just marketing, It doesn't make him qualified to coach. So my question still stands, what makes her a hockey genius? what does she do that is so special?
 
Well if you follow the thread, my original question was "what makes her a hockey genius?". He had no answer. In reply to his non-answer, I pointed out that she has never played in the NHL, so what exactly is it that she knows? or can do that is so special? What players has she had a hand in developing, that she is now being promoted? again no answer. I could make the argument that just because Gretzky is the GOAT doesn't mean he is a very good coach. It's just marketing, It doesn't make him qualified to coach. So my question still stands, what makes her a hockey genius? what does she do that is so special?

would you ask the same qualifying questions about what players they had a hand in developing if it was nik antropov that had been promoted?

how are we supposed to know the behind the scenes of the leafs' development program? maybe you should shoot an email to shanny and dubas since you clearly feel you're more qualified to make these decisions than they are.
 
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I hope she lives up to the hype. For all intents and purposes, Pellerin seems to have been doing a pretty strong job and management said as much. Seems like the only prompt for this is that they feel like Wickenheiser is really special; special enough to promote her from assistant to Senior Director in 3 years and effectively firing the guy who originally held the job.

I wonder if the Leafs are secretly attributing the Marlies' struggle to Pellerin and Robidas instead of Moore.
 
would you ask the same qualifying questions about what players they had a hand in developing if it was nik antropov that had been promoted?

how are we supposed to know the behind the scenes of the leafs' development program? maybe you should shoot an email to shanny and dubas since you clearly feel you're more qualified to make these decisions than they are.
If people are saying Antropov is the first Kazakhstani to hold a player development position that was over 6'5" tall, and that he is the Kazakhstani Goat, and a hockey genius. I would find the comments and claims to be equally as dubious. I don't think it would be unfair to ask what makes Antropov a hockey genius. It would reasonably call into question why the Leafs are hiring him in the first place. Are they hiring him because he is qualified or is this just Corp. virtue signaling so that they can claim to have hired the first Kazakhstani over 6' 5" tall to an NHL management position? What experience does Antropov have in developing hockey players? Imagine if they asked him to be in charge of Player development for Goalies or Defensemen. I would find that to be puzzling, yes I would question such a hiring.

It's no different than Steve Nash getting the Head Coaching job for the Nets. Yes he is one of the greats to play the game, but it doesn't mean he is qualified to coach. Or that he was the most qualified candidate. I don't see anything wrong with questioning such a hiring, when it appears she was hired for her genitalia rather than her ability to develop NHL hockey players. So no I don't need to email Shanny and Dubas, because it's not relevant to my original question. You're simply building a strawman to a legitimate question.
 
I hope she lives up to the hype. For all intents and purposes, Pellerin seems to have been doing a pretty strong job and management said as much. Seems like the only prompt for this is that they feel like Wickenheiser is really special; special enough to promote her from assistant to Senior Director in 3 years and effectively firing the guy who originally held the job.

I wonder if the Leafs are secretly attributing the Marlies' struggle to Pellerin and Robidas instead of Moore.
Almost certainly this is just a corp. hiring. How was she was able to study full-time to become a doctor, while being a part of their development staff? She had to have been only working part-time or a few hours a week. Makes no sense. Maybe she is just doing performance evaluation, like rating player performance using a scorecard for each player for each game, and watching tape. I don't know what this role means.
 
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Almost certainly this is just a corp. hiring. How was she was able to study full-time to become a doctor, while being a part of their development staff? She had to have been only working part-time or a few hours a week. Makes no sense. Maybe she is just doing performance evaluation, like rating player performance using a scorecard for each player for each game, and watching tape. I don't know what this role means.

Easy.
You go to work. you work.
You go to school. you do school.

I was in school full time and I had to work three jobs and take care of a sick relative. I still managed with an A+ average. And that's without the power of the Leafs behind me. So i am pretty sure Hayley was able to work and go to school at the same time.

can you tell me who Robidas or the other guy specifically developed?
the player development department develops the team. Hayley will now be responsible for the entire department but i'm sure she'll do what she was doing before just in a leadership position.

I would also persume that Kyle looked at other people before he decided on Hayley (if he didn't. well then he probably should have - the same thing i said when Shanahan just hired Kyle without interviewing other people and hearing other ideas).

I find it hilarious that people thing that the Leafs are just going to hire whomever simply for publicity and shoot themselves in the foot in regards to their player development (something that they've stated that they needed to excel in) especially with a flat cap and limited draft picks due to the pandemic and us being extremely good and going all in trying to win the cup.
 
3 sessions for $2000, plus ice cost? That's insanely stupid.
Don't use Belfry then .. he does not care he is full .. da Bellarussian who is Malkin's skating guru, and Zach uses, comes in for $500 per 45 minute session plus ice costs and he is very hard to book too .. hockey is a very expensive game for those still playing jr and pro .. da times have really changed from Smuskin for $20 fin per session when we were kids
 
I would also persume that Kyle looked at other people before he decided on Hayley
Not a chance Dubas would pass up on the gift wrapped chance to virtue signal.

At the end of the day if the leafs dont take significant steps forward in the next few seasons the entire management group will be cleaned out in one fell swoop (along with anyone attached to them). We're technically in year six of the shanaplan.
 
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Having women in your organization isn't virtue signaling. The only way to not have women is to actively avoid having them, which is blatantly sexist.

Unless you just think only men can be qualified, which is also sexist.

the virtue signaling usually comes fragile men who can’t handle the fact that successful and smart women are a part of our success as a team. This was a great hire that needs no defending.

If you trust the team’s management, then you trust that they hire good, capable people . Period. Full stop.
 
and again. I think its rather silly to believe that the Leafs would put their future in the hands of someone who wasn't able to do it, simply so they can clap themselves on the back and go "gee didn't we do a good thing today?"

I highly doubt that too, and I don't think there would be as many doubts about Wickenheiser if Pellerin's contract was expiring or he was moving on (Dubas with Lou) or if Pellerin was sucking and she was the person earmarked to replace him (Keefe with Babcock). Both had their doubts too because they had zero prior experience in the NHL at their jobs, but their paths were a little bit clearer than Wickenheiser. Dubas was groomed for 4 years, and even Keefe was effectively groomed to take over for Babcock at some point if he had the patience to wait (it just happened a lot sooner than I think anyone expected).

In general, organizations are not a huge fan of randomly shaking things up for no good reason... Especially when things are going well according to them. So either they are overplaying how good Pellerin was (or he was leaving anyways) or they really think Wickenheiser is an exceptional talent worth making this kind of move and they were afraid they were going to lose her if they didn't... Or this was a plan, but that is unlikely since they would specifically say it was a planned move.
 
the virtue signaling usually comes fragile men who can’t handle the fact that successful and smart women are a part of our success as a team. This was a great hire that needs no defending.

If you trust the team’s management, then you trust that they hire good, capable people . Period. Full stop.

That's not even to mention the fact that Barb Underhill has been teaching our guys to skate for as long as I can remember. Maybe they're mad about that too, but I don't remember seeing it.
 
That's not even to mention the fact that Barb Underhill has been teaching our guys to skate for as long as I can remember. Maybe they're mad about that too, but I don't remember seeing it.
Barb has an amazing ability to effectively communicate and demonstrate at same time .. best I have seen at it and my kids have been to virtually everyone of them .. and she puts these great video/audio stride technique clips together which show you exactly what you are doing and how she wants you to change your stride in same overlapping video so you see yourself in current stride and then in your desired stride and then both strides to distinguish the difference .. it is genius really
 
Barb has an amazing ability to effectively communicate and demonstrate at same time .. best I have seen at it and my kids have been to virtually everyone of them .. and she puts these great video/audio stride technique clips together which show you exactly what you are doing and how she wants you to change your stride in same overlapping video so you see yourself in current stride and then in your desired stride and then both strides to distinguish the difference .. it is genius really

All teams show have a figure skating coach, they could learn so much about edges etc.
 
and again. I think its rather silly to believe that the Leafs would put their future in the hands of someone who wasn't able to do it, simply so they can clap themselves on the back and go "gee didn't we do a good thing today?"

It's definitely a very silly assumption.

Dubas' has from the start of his tenure here been advocating getting the best and brightest of up and coming talent (better to be first with those types than trying to play catch up ect) It's a clear pattern in many of his hiring practices.

And Wickenheiser fits perfectly into that process
 
the virtue signaling usually comes fragile men who can’t handle the fact that successful and smart women are a part of our success as a team. This was a great hire that needs no defending.

If you trust the team’s management, then you trust that they hire good, capable people . Period. Full stop.

Personally, the only issue I have is with diversity surveys. As someone who is not "diverse", I have rarely made it past the paper round in cases where I had to fill out a diversity survey even if I was extremely well qualified. Then I had "diverse" friends who boasted similar or even fewer qualifications applying for the same jobs and they were receiving more interviews than they could attend. Even they were surprised at the discrepancy.

Eventually I stopped applying to jobs with diversity surveys (although most jobs have them now) or I would just contact a manager directly and I had significantly more success in far fewer tries. It didn't always work out but at least I was getting more interview opportunities. Eventually I was able to find work with a highly reputable company who was known as one of the best companies in terms of diversity in Canada and they said they don't do those surveys because it is as counterproductive as it was decades ago when companies did not care about diversity. They just hire the best person for the job and diversity happens naturally that way. Can attest to the fact that it certainly happened that way at that company.

Evidentially, that is not really an issue for more specialized or high level roles such like this one. Not many people are qualified to fill those jobs and they follow a different process entirely. Wickenheiser would not get this job if she wasn't the most qualified. However I would not immediately say that people are fragile because they question the motives of companies when it comes to diversity... Questionable companies certainly exist, and they are likely not as uncommon as people think they are.
 
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All teams show have a figure skating coach, they could learn so much about edges etc.
It is not just about edges anymore it is pretty involved technically into how your ankles hips and feet all move together .. but genius is letting a guy watch his stride and overlap same guy using Barb's improved changes to his stride in his body movements and then showing him how much it increases his speed and balance by making changes and then visually seeing all of this information in real time in a video/audio clip so you can watch it on your screen later .. I have been to almost everyone who works in skating in city and Barb is best I have seen in whole process .. almost all of them go through da basics but she offers so many little extras which are invaluable .. one of my guys could never understand things straight out on ice but after watching clips and then he could see da changes required to add a half second in his lap speed and it provided motivation to get faster .. then next session he had implemented and was on to next improvement .. it is an evolving science and things are changing for da better almost weekly
 
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It is not just about edges anymore it is pretty involved technically into how your ankles hips and feet all move together .. but genius is letting a guy watch his stride and overlap same guy using Barb's improved changes to his stride in his body movements and then showing him how much it increases his speed and balance by making changes and then visually seeing all of this information in real time in a video/audio clip so you can watch it on your screen later .. I have been to almost everyone who works in skating in city and Barb is best I have seen in whole process .. almost all of them go through da basics but she offers so many little extras which are invaluable .. one of my guys could never understand things straight out on ice but after watching clips and then he could see da changes required to add a half second in his lap speed and it provided motivation to get faster .. then next session he had implemented and was on to next improvement .. it is an evolving science and things are changing for da better almost weekly

Yep agreed, have a competitive figure skater in the family.
 
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